Irv Gotti Says Blackballing 50 Cent Wasn’t Smart & He Should’ve Enslaved Him In A Bad Record Deal

[Street Knowledge]

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

yes, because this album......with the buzz of a highly publicized trial, and released after multi-million bidding war blew up huge

that album had no hits and just a few good songs.
and chit, hes rapping thru a pay-phone.

if either of shyne's albums were of at least consensus 4-mic quality, he would commonly be considered a top 20 rapper.

 

[Harry B]

I keep telling brehs, that black unity and power shyt don't mean anything in rap. These dudes learned the games from snakes and became snakes themselves. Diddy, Irv, Steve Stoute...this is what they do.

Dudes came up in the streets manipulating pre-teen kids to throw their lives away, giving a grown man, just as sinister, less millions than he might be worth is really child's play.

 

[Piff Perkins]

irv is revising history

50 cent was finished after he got shot....99.9% of other artists would have given up, turned to the streets and ended up a statistic. After the murders of big an pac, labels and corporations were scared away from violence spilling into real life.

for all intents and purposes 50 was over

Sheer hustle is what got 50 hot on the mixtape circuit. Him being picked up by the Interscope machine just as they were promoting 8 Mile (and being included on that soundtrack) was a stroke of luck.

I'm convinced that if he comes out with exact same songs from GROTD on a different label..without the Interscope muscle.....that he maybe goes gold and is forgotten the next year

The thing is dispute on this point is that without Interscope there would be no Eminem features/involvement and no Dre beats. Is In Da Club a hit with another beat? Who knows but probably not. The "machine" wasn't the only thing that made that album. Eminem and Dre played huge roles in 50 blowing up. Without those two and on a different label you get a different album.

 

[Sinister]

The thing is dispute on this point is that without Interscope there would be no Eminem features/involvement and no Dre beats. Is In Da Club a hit with another beat? Who knows but probably not. The "machine" wasn't the only thing that made that album. Eminem and Dre played huge roles in 50 blowing up. Without those two and on a different label you get a different album.

But the video...and the way LA radio jumps on everything Dre related.

The content of the song also clearly has Dre/Em/Aftermath references

So it's not just the beat

 

[get these nets]

The thing is dispute on this point is that without Interscope there would be no Eminem features/involvement and no Dre beats. Is In Da Club a hit with another beat? Who knows but probably not. The "machine" wasn't the only thing that made that album. Eminem and Dre played huge roles in 50 blowing up. Without those two and on a different label you get a different album.

They are part of the Interscope muscle, as well as the power to gets radio and video spins on key media outlets.

The Interscope reach is long. When Jam Master Jay died, the top hip hop magazine at the time didn't put him on the cover or do a commemoration issue.
When Proof died, their next cover was D12 with an RIP tag for Proof.
Rest In peace to both men who fell to senseless gun violence.
But JMJ was part of the foundation of hip hop. Proof was barely popular outside of Detroit. He wasn't a modern day iconic figure.
That Interscope ad money to XXL is why a local Detroit legend got a cover tribute and a member of maybe the most important group in the history of the culture did not.

 

[get these nets]

that album had no hits and just a few good songs.
and chit, hes rapping thru a pay-phone.

if either of shyne's albums were of at least consensus 4-mic quality, he would commonly be considered a top 20 rapper.

Shyne was part of 2 major bidding wars. Puff thought it made financial sense to sign the guy with the BIG-like voice.

After being part of a trial that was covered internationally and involved two of the world's biggest stars(Puff & Jlo)..Shyne had a buzz inside of jail, and labels were again fighting to sign and release his material. Rapping through a payphone or not, some label exec thought that it made sense to outbid others and put out his music. That person's livelihood is promoting and selling music.

Just like sports drafts, sometimes it pans out and sometimes it doesn't.
Interscope at the time of 50's signing was like the old Spurs. Parker,Ginobli, and Leonard are greats. Do Parker and Gino get rings if they get drafted to a different team? Leonard probably does, but his pro development with the Spurs helped make him the player that he is today.

Does 50 sell diamond if he signs somewhere else? I doubt it.

 

[Piff Perkins]

They are part of the Interscope muscle, as well as the power to gets radio and video spins on key media outlets.

The Interscope reach is long. When Jam Master Jay died, the top hip hop magazine at the time didn't put him on the cover or do a commemoration issue.
When Proof died, their next cover was D12 with an RIP tag for Proof.
Rest In peace to both men who fell to senseless gun violence.
But JMJ was part of the foundation of hip hop. Proof was barely popular outside of Detroit. He wasn't a modern day iconic figure.
That Interscope ad money to XXL is why a local Detroit legend got a cover tribute and a member of maybe the most important group in the history of the culture did not.

I get your point, and may be biased since I used to work there. But I separate the machine from the talent/roster. To me when I hear "the machine" I think of marketing and greasing wheels in media, album shipments, etc. The XXL thing you mentioned is an example of that.

But Dre and Em are creative talent. Were they an asset to artists who signed to Interscope/Aftermath in the early 00s through 2013 or so? Yes. I just think the machine, as typically defined on this forum, is different. 50 had the image and talent to succeed on another label but Dre and Em are what took him to the next level. The machine worked that record but it largely sold itself once white kids knew who was backing him.

 

[get these nets]

The Interscope reach is long. When Jam Master Jay died, the top hip hop magazine at the time didn't put him on the cover or do a commemoration issue.
When Proof died, their next cover was D12 with an RIP tag for Proof.
Rest In peace to both men who fell to senseless gun violence.
But JMJ was part of the foundation of hip hop. Proof was barely popular outside of Detroit. He wasn't a modern day iconic figure.
That Interscope ad money to XXL is why a local Detroit legend got a cover tribute and a member of maybe the most important group in the history of the culture did not.

here was the cover

REST IN PEACE to Proof, but his popularity, influence, impact, and record sales didn't justify a magazine cover for a national rap magazine.


Jam Master Jay's did..

 

[Master Teacher]

lmao in taking sides in a beef where you don't know any of the parties involved, yall some stans foreal

of course Irv should've did this in hindsight their would be no 50 cent or at least he would've been eating off him

but the feeds is running up in they shyt regardless

and Eminem only signed 50 because he wanted some real street nikkaz around ,so he wouldn't have to be scared of Suge

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Shyne was part of 2 major bidding wars. Puff thought it made financial sense to sign the guy with the BIG-like voice.

After being part of a trial that was covered internationally and involved two of the world's biggest stars(Puff & Jlo)..Shyne had a buzz inside of jail, and labels were again fighting to sign and release his material. Rapping through a payphone or not, some label exec thought that it made sense to outbid others and put out his music. That person's livelihood is promoting and selling music.

Just like sports drafts, sometimes it pans out and sometimes it doesn't.
Interscope at the time of 50's signing was like the old Spurs. Parker,Ginobli, and Leonard are greats. Do Parker and Gino get rings if they get drafted to a different team? Leonard probably does, but his pro development with the Spurs helped make him the player that he is today.

Does 50 sell diamond if he signs somewhere else? I doubt it.

youre completely missing the point.

no 50 doesnt go diamond, but he is still potentially a multi-platinum artist and likely has a better legacy musically. completely different scenario as opposed to shyne, who was really just popular because he bussed his gun and hit a home-run with his first single.

and kawhi leonard was that dude since san diego state. people over-look it because he didnt play in the power 6 so alot of people didnt know who he was.

They are part of the Interscope muscle, as well as the power to gets radio and video spins on key media outlets.

The Interscope reach is long. When Jam Master Jay died, the top hip hop magazine at the time didn't put him on the cover or do a commemoration issue.
When Proof died, their next cover was D12 with an RIP tag for Proof.
Rest In peace to both men who fell to senseless gun violence.
But JMJ was part of the foundation of hip hop. Proof was barely popular outside of Detroit. He wasn't a modern day iconic figure.
That Interscope ad money to XXL is why a local Detroit legend got a cover tribute and a member of maybe the most important group in the history of the culture did not.

i cosign this post.

except the part about XXL being #1.
certainly not when JMJ died. they definitely werent #1.

 

[Big Boss]

The thing is dispute on this point is that without Interscope there would be no Eminem features/involvement and no Dre beats. Is In Da Club a hit with another beat? Who knows but probably not. The "machine" wasn't the only thing that made that album. Eminem and Dre played huge roles in 50 blowing up. Without those two and on a different label you get a different album.

facts

 

[get these nets]

youre completely missing the point.

no 50 doesnt go diamond, but he is still potentially a multi-platinum artist and likely has a better legacy musically.

and kawhi leonard was that dude since san diego state. people over-look it because he didnt play in the power 6 so alot of people didnt know who he was.

Go back and watch the dvd that was bundled with 50's album.

If I recall correctly, he was showing texts from record labels with bids for his artists and for g-unit as a group

Your posts show that you're from the NY tri-state area, so you've seen/heard the politics involved in signed artists putting on their people to other labels, and the ensuing drama of the new label pimping the established artist for features and input on the newer artists' project.


Mase appearing for FREE in Camron's 357 video........appearing at discount/free on the "horse and carriage" song......but smartening up and not appearing for free in the video

Nas not appearing for free in Nature's videos

the star's label not clearing him to appear on protege's album if the new label doesn't agree to pay

Wu is the only exception I can think of, and they signed with Loud with that provision in their contracts

50's album success with Interscope paved the way for him to put his proteges solo his group projects on the same label (g unit/interscope) and avoid that drama, and reap all the rewards. He got 100% of what was supposed to come to him for putting his people on.
At that time, only Interscope had the power to make that happen.

 

[Mowgli]

Enslaved?

Isn't he Spanish?

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Go back and watch the dvd that was bundled with 50's album.

If I recall correctly, he was showing texts from record labels with bids for his artists and for g-unit as a group

Your posts show that you're from the NY tri-state area, so you've seen/heard the politics involved in signed artists putting on their people to other labels, and the ensuing drama of the new label pimping the established artist for features and input on the newer artists' project.


Mase appearing for FREE in Camron's 357 video........appearing at discount/free on the "horse and carriage" song......but smartening up and not appearing for free in the video

Nas not appearing for free in Nature's videos

the star's label not clearing him to appear on protege's album if the new label doesn't agree to pay

Wu is the only exception I can think of, and they signed with Loud with that provision in their contracts

50's album success with Interscope paved the way for him to put his proteges solo his group projects on the same label (g unit/interscope) and avoid that drama, and reap all the rewards. He got 100% of what was supposed to come to him for putting his people on.
At that time, only Interscope had the power to make that happen.

i was never arguing against any of that.

and naw im not tri-state but close enough. philadelphia.