Irish Chattel Slaves - The Myth, by Kofi Khepera

[SupremexKing]

That is because you can't comprehend the conversation. This is why you have been inserting all these nonsense claims. It is political, because it's about Reparations.



It's not what I or you believe, it's about what is know and is documented.

What you claim is all in your imagination, it's pure fiction and make believe. Whites weren't slaves in America, even your own sources disputed you. This is why you can't show any historical documentation for his. What is documented is Irish indenturing servants.

Not only are you ignorant, but also very dumb.



So now you don't even believe it's true, but you are invoking things you yourself don't believe?



This you also made up. Why do you keep making up shyt? The only thin they were forced to do was become a slave overseer, slave-catchers, which later became the police as we know it. Thus is why historically the Irish had these position in the PD.



Every single thing you said is a "fact" in your imagination. Tell, what was the Dred Scott decision 14th amendment decision about? What was and is the 13th amendment about? Is it about Irish, "imaginary white slaves"?

Do you even realize that there were actually laws in place knows as the "slave codes", for the 3/5 human being described as the negroe? Or are you now going to claim that the Irish were the negroes? We have not even gone that deep and here you already are in mishaps. There's a lot of documentation on these early populations. Things you don't even know. lol


Slave Codes

Black code, Laws

The amount of stupidity that flows from your fingertips onto the keyboard is beyond crazy.



That lil lecture goes over the many sources that have made all these false claims, he verified them all. I posted Big Sources as well that teared you a new one. Literally data bases of these Irish folk.

And If it's that lil, you should be able to dispute what he is stating in that lil lecture, which you can't and have not.

"One lil lecture is not gospel and if the Irish scholars want to believe no one in their history was a slave in America or any other part of the world that's on them,"

damn this has to be the stupidest shyt I've ever read.

 

[Mowgli]

You constantly are trying to shift the goal and insists on Irish (or whites as you stated) to be slaves in the Americas. You hardly know the story. The race concept and racism as we know it came from that era, so what you claim makes no sense. This history didn't start with the Britons. They came later. So that Irish claim is out of the window.

The oldest settlements are from the Dominican Republic, but Puerto Rico as well gives a good indication of what happened.


"When the Dutch handed over power to the British in 1664, the African population had reached 40%. The British continued slave trading and by the Revolutionary War, New York had more slaves than the other colonies, second only to South Carolina"
African Burial Ground | NYPAP



Black Before Columbus Came: The African Discovery of America | Odd Salon DISCOVERY 5/7

Dan Von Hoyel ~ Black Before Columbus Came: The African Discovery of America

Ok and?

There were some white boys sprinkled on there getting their ass whipped too what's the problem here.

 

[Ish Gibor]

Ok and?

There were some white boys sprinkled on there getting their ass whipped too what's the problem here.

Ok and, here we go again with you pulling lies out of your ass. No evidence whatsoever. Just another boldface lie. What you do is called PSEUDO SCIENCE. You also didn't look at anything that was posted, which seems to be a continues pattern with you. You just make up stuff as you go along. You are a laughable joke. Everything you've claimed is a lie, with a wist and spin. Literally every single point you've made was an attempt to alter history. You seem to have this childish behavior all throughout this forum (platform), where you're making dumb insertions on a feebleminded level.

Anyway, what happened before?

"But while Elizabeth may have enjoyed being entertained by Black people, in the 1590s she also issued proclamations against them."

It appears that John Blanke, a Black trumpeter, was a regular musician at the courts of both Henry VII and Henry VIII. Musicians' payments were noted in the accounts of the Treasurer of the Chamber, who was responsible for paying the wages. There are several payments recorded to a 'John Blanke, the blacke trumpeter'. This trumpeter was paid 8d a day, first by Henry VII and then from 1509 by Henry VIII.

On New Year's Day 1511 King Henry VIII was presented with a son by his wife, Catherine of Aragon. As was the tradition to celebrate major festivals such as coronations and royal births and marriages, Henry held a great tournament at Westminster.

The National Archives | Exhibitions & Learning online | Black presence | Early times

"The Atlantic slave trade resulted in the enforced scattering of millions of Africans to the Caribbean, the Americas and elsewhere - including Britain. A significant early English figure was John Hawkins. His father, William Hawkins, made the first English expeditions to West Africa in the 1530s. William Hawkins was an adventurous trader who set out to explore the Guinea coast."

"From 1553, a group of London merchants began a series of ventures to develop English overseas trade. Two years later these adventurers returned carrying ivory, gold, Malaguetta pepper and, significantly, five Africans from Shama, in modern Ghana. These Africans were brought to England to learn English, and returned to Africa as interpreters for visiting English traders."

"In 1562, John Hawkins set out on a voyage that would mark the beginning of the English slave trade. Documents reveal that he left Plymouth with the purpose of capturing Africans along the Guinea Coast. The travel writer Richard Hakluyt (c.1552-1616) says that Hawkins 'got into his possession partly by the sworde and partly by other meanes to the number of 300 negroes'. In Sierra Leone, he took a ship laden with ivory, wax and 500 Africans."

"Hawkins, commanding the ship Salomon, then made the voyage from the Guinea coast to the West Indies. He arrived at the port of Monte Christi, in what is now the Dominican Republic, where they 'did deposit 125 slaves at 100 ducats each' (about £25-30 in present-day terms). The Africans were offered for sale to estate owners in the Americas, who required a constant supply of cheap labour for their sugar and tobacco plantations."

"News of the slave merchants' success spread and they soon attracted wealthy, powerful backers, and additional support from Queen Elizabeth. In 1564 the queen sponsored Hawkins by lending him her very own 700-ton vessel, Jesus of Lubeck. Now John Hawkins, freeman of the city of Plymouth, left Plymouth specifically for the purpose of capturing Africans on the West African coast."

"Hawkins, in his own words, as noted by Hakluyt, 'profited by the sale of slaves' - so much so that he included a bound slave wearing a necklace and earrings on the crest of his coat of arms. His final voyage turned out to be a disaster for Hawkins, as he lost his ships and men to the Spanish. This event precipitated hostilities between England and Spain."
The National Archives | Exhibitions & Learning online | Black presence | Early times


Your shyt is janky from all sides, it's all too complicated for you to connect the dots, so all you have is some wild guesses.

 

[Listen]

You should stop spreading lies, it's incredibly insulting to the descendants of chattel slavery. And I suggest you start reading all the posts, and look at the lectures before responding. Irish people were paid for their labor and they became a free people after serving their time.



The “Irish slave” myth has been widely discredited

You should probably go fukk your self really, since no lies were told in my post.

 

[ThrobbingHood]

You should probably go fukk your self really, since no lies were told in my post.

My gut tells me the answer is going to swayed by what color you are, so I polled it.

For me it's 100% whites acting black, mainly because it 'looks' like it takes effort....like you need to try really hard to 'act' a different color since white is so bland.

Maybe you should go and fukk yourself and choke on a potato whilst reciting a limerick boy’o. Nothing worse than Irish CACs trying to act like their “suffering” is anything compared to black people in America. And fukk Boston... Irish CACs are the worst racists I’ve ever encountered. Yes, worse than the south.

 

[Listen]

Maybe you should go and fukk yourself and choke on a potato whilst reciting a limerick boy’o. Nothing worse than Irish CACs trying to act like their “suffering” is anything compared to black people in America. And fukk Boston... Irish CACs are the worst racists I’ve ever encountered. Yes, worse than the south.

Did you even read my post? In what way did I compare it and equalize it? In what way did I say it was the same?

The Irish had rough go of it, it’s just true. You should be able to feel sympathy for them without it being a competition of who had it worse, especially when I never implied they had it anywhere near equal.

 

[ThrobbingHood]

Did you even read my post? In what way did I compare it and equalize it? In what way did I say it was the same?

The Irish had rough go of it, it’s just true. You should be able to feel sympathy for them without it being a competition of who had it worse, especially when I never implied they had it anywhere near equal.

No, I didn’t read it. I’m illiterate and have comprehension issues. In short, fukk you and fukk the Irish.

 

[Listen]

No, I didn’t read it. I’m illiterate and have comprehension issues. In short, fukk you and fukk the Irish.

aight then.

 

[Ish Gibor]

You should probably go fukk your self really, since no lies were told in my post.

That is anatomically impossible and we all aren't into that freaky stuff like you.

I mean, what kind of retard are you?

Didn’t real all these posts..,

Yet you have the nerve to accuse people of not reading?

Did you even read my post? In what way did I compare it and equalize it? In what way did I say it was the same?

The Irish had rough go of it, it’s just true. You should be able to feel sympathy for them without it being a competition of who had it worse, especially when I never implied they had it anywhere near equal.

Yes, they suffered over there and it was horrible, but what has that to do with the topic of chattel slavery in the Americas and Africans (Blacks) as 3/5th of a human being?

Do you even see things in context and perspective?

 

[Ish Gibor]

Maybe you should go and fukk yourself and choke on a potato whilst reciting a limerick boy’o. Nothing worse than Irish CACs trying to act like their “suffering” is anything compared to black people in America. And fukk Boston... Irish CACs are the worst racists I’ve ever encountered. Yes, worse than the south.

I don't know if that Boston remark had a deeper layer to it.

"The watch system was composed of community volunteers whose primary duty was to warn of impending danger. Boston created a night watch in 1636, New York in 1658 and Philadelphia in 1700."
[…]
"These informal modalities of policing continued well after the American Revolution. It was not until the 1830s that the idea of a centralized municipal police department first emerged in the United States. In 1838, the city of Boston established the first American police force, followed by New York City in 1845, Albany, NY and Chicago in 1851, New Orleans and Cincinnati in 1853, Philadelphia in 1855, and Newark, NJ and Baltimore in 1857 (Harring 1983, Lundman 1980; Lynch 1984). By the 1880s all major U.S. cities had municipal police forces in place."
The History Of Policing In The United States, Part 1 | Police Studies Online | Eastern Kentucky University

"According to Marilynn S. Johnson, a history professor at Boston College, by the 1830s, southern communities had already created the forerunners of modern police departments in the form of slave patrols."
How Stereotypes of the Irish Evolved From ‘Criminals’ to Cops

 

[ThrobbingHood]

@Ish Geber I had no idea. You learn something new everyday.

I’m only basing it on my personal experience. Irish-Americans, especially in Boston, make the south seem liberal. So damn racist it’s unbelievable. Then they play the “we were oppressed too so how can we be racist?” card.

These clowns, just like the Ashkenazi Jews, Italians and Polish, would anglicize their names to blend into the WASP communities. Only once they were accepted as “white” did they start being proud of their Irish roots again. And of course they ingratiated themselves by perpetuating racism in the police.

Even Irish people from Ireland can’t stand most Irish-Americans. Straight up told me “they’re way too racist. They embarrass us.”

 

[NeilCartwright]

Thank you for posting this. I knew in my heart there wasn’t no way in hell Irish were chattel slaves but this was more confirmation

 

[newworldafro]

interesting.

I've heard this mentioned before. I'll take a listen.

 

[Ish Gibor]

Thank you for posting this. I knew in my heart there wasn’t no way in hell Irish were chattel slaves but this was more confirmation

Each one teach one. I figured it was necessary in this day and time, after I saw Jason Black talk about it on his broadcast last week.

Spoiler

 

[Unknown Poster]

Well this is now gaining more traction...

‘Irish slaves’: Historian destroys racist myth right wingers love to share on Facebook

Good.