Osteology studies of enslaved Africans in the Americas completely debunk their false claims.
The 500-year-old bones of African slaves tell a traumatic story
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Irish Chattel Slaves - The Myth, by Kofi Khepera
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The 500-year-old bones of African slaves tell a traumatic story
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And taking their last name when marriage between races was illegal.....Maybe some Irish men was fcking black women?
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Politics is an EXCHANGE!!!
M1cks's in the comments claiming they were enslaved by the British.
"The Irish slave trade began when 30,000 Irish prisoners were sold as slaves to the New World. The King James I Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies.
By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves. Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English merchants.
The majority of the early slaves to the New World were actually white. From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and another 300,000 were sold as slaves. Ireland’s population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade"
I'm glad dude addressed this in his second video.
"The Irish slave trade began when 30,000 Irish prisoners were sold as slaves to the New World. The King James I Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies.
By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves. Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English merchants.
The majority of the early slaves to the New World were actually white. From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and another 300,000 were sold as slaves. Ireland’s population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade"
I'm glad dude addressed this in his second video.
Now, here is a little secret.
"This letter illustrates how Elizabeth I attempted to divert attention from social problems by blaming Black people. It was sent to the lord mayor and aldermen of London and to mayors and sheriffs throughout the country.
The queen asserts that England has a growing population of its own and does not need the 'divers blackmoores brought into this realme'. This was followed by a declaration that 10 Black people would be deported. This was only the opening salvo in Elizabeth's campaign to remove 'blackmoores' from England."
PC 2/21, f 304 (11 July 1596)
Black Scapegoats
"But while Elizabeth may have enjoyed being entertained by Black people, in the 1590s she also issued proclamations against them. In 1596 she wrote to the lord mayors of major cities noting that there were 'of late divers blackmoores brought into this realm, of which kind of people there are already here to manie...'. She ordered that 'those kinde of people should be sente forth of the land'.
Elizabeth made an arrangement for a merchant, Casper van Senden, to deport Black people from England in 1596. The aim seems to have been to exchange them for (or perhaps to sell them to obtain funds to buy) English prisoners held by England’s Catholic enemies Spain and Portugal."
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'Those kinde of people may be well spared'
"A week after authorising the deportation of 10 Blackmoores, Elizabeth sent an open letter to various public officials, including the lord mayor of London, requiring their co-operation in the deportation of sufficient numbers of Blackamoores to defray the costs incurred by the merchant, Casper van Senden, in returning English prisoners from Spain and Portugal.
No one could be taken without the consent of his or her master. Elizabeth did not offer any compensation, expecting they would 'like Christians rather to be served by their owne countrymen then with those kynde of people'."
PC 2/21, f. 306 (18 July 1596)
"No doubt van Senden intended to sell these people. But this was not to be, becausemasters of Black workers - who had not been offered compensation - refused to let them go. In 1601, Elizabeth issued a further proclamation expressing her 'discontentment by the numbers of blackamores which are crept into this realm...' and again licensing van Senden to deport Black people. It is doubtful whether this second proclamation was any more successful than the first.
Why this sudden, urgent desire to expel members of England's Black population? It was more than a commercial transaction pursued by the queen. In the 16th century, the ruling classes became increasingly concerned about poverty and
[…]
"Less than four years later, a proclamation was issued, in effect compelling the masters of 'Negroes and blackamoors' to release them to Casper van Senden for deportation.
England was facing difficult times during its wars with Spain, and Elizabeth claimed that Black people were consuming resources needed by the English. By the time of this proclamation (around 1601), there appears to be no limit on the numbers of Black people that van Senden could take."
Tudor Royal Proclamations, vol. 3, pp. 221-2 (c. January 1601)
"In the 1590s the harvests repeatedly failed, bringing hunger, disease and a rapid increase in poverty and vagrancy. Elizabeth's orders against Black people were an attempt to blame them for wider social problems. Her proclamation of 1601 claimed that Black people were 'fostered and relieved here to the great annoyance of [the queen's] own liege people, that want the relief, which those people consume'. The proclamation also stated that 'most of them are infidels, having no understanding of Christ or his Gospel'.
It may be the case that many (although by no means all) Black people were Muslims (of North African origin). If so, it seems that the queen was playing on their difference from Protestant England to assert that they were not welcome. Whether they were actually more likely to be in poverty than Whites is much more doubtful. What is clear is that they were being used as a convenient scapegoat at a time of crisis."
The National Archives | Exhibitions & Learning online | Black presence | Early times
"The results of the craniometric analysis indicated that the majority of the York population had European origins, but that 11% of the Trentholme Drive and 12% of The Railway study samples were likely of African decent."
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~Leach et al. 2009
There were hundreds of Africans in Tudor England – and none of them slaves: Black Tudors, Miranda Kaufmann, review
"This is important because the few modern historians who have written about Africans in Tudor England suggest that they were all slaves, or transient immigrants who were considered as dangerous strangers and the epitome of otherness. However, this book will show that some Africans in England had important occupations in Tudor society, and were employed by powerful people because of the skills they possessed.
~Onyeka, Blackamoores: Africans in Tudor England, Their Presence, Status and Origins
Some of these cats gonna find out they came over on board with cacs as free men before the aggressive racial shift toward black people.
There were to many slave rebellions with black and Irish so they had to start creating more division starting with giving the Irish their white pass and better opportunities
Can you name some of these slave rebellions? I mean, documentation. And why would Irish rebel, if they got paid?
That is claiming a "we wuz slaves too" narrative. They want to be the victim so badly when it suits them.
"Modern sensibilities have clouded historical views of slavery, perhaps more so than any other medieval social institution. Anachronistic economic rationales and notions about the progression of European civilisation have immeasurably distorted our view of slavery in the medieval context. As a result historians have focussed their efforts upon explaining the disappearance of this medieval institution rather than seeking to understand it. This book highlights the extreme cultural/social significance of slavery for the societies of medieval Britain and Ireland c. 800-1200. Concentrating upon the lifestyle, attitudes and motivations of the slave-holders and slave-raiders, it explores the violent activities and behavioural codes of Britain and Ireland’s warrior-centred societies, illustrating the extreme significance of the institution of slavery for constructions of power, ethnic identity and gender."
~David Wyatt, Ph.D. (2003) in History, Cardiff University, is the Co-ordinating Lecturer in History at Cardiff University’s Centre for Lifelong Learning.
Slaves and Warriors in Medieval Britain and Ireland, 800 -1200 | Brill
"Slavery was an important part of the Anglo-Saxon economy. Almost all the slaves traded in the early middle ages were captured in raids or warfare. It seems to have been the practice to kill the leaders of the losing army and enslave the local villagers. The English conquest of Cornwall led to the enslavement of many of the indigenous Celts. At the Westminster Council of 1102ce, slavery was abolished."
Anglo-Saxon England
Inventing Black and White
Because slave owners are sadistic and there were laws that indentured servants were held to regarding terms of employment.
Terms that could add time to their servitude if broken. Contract work.
And many slave owners being psychopaths, were in the business of keeping their servants in servitude
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Hmm, I see. But time and date is very important and we have to understand things in perspective. Unfortunately, they gave no references in article.
Anyway, this is key:
The Five Greatest Slave Rebellions in the United States | African American History Blog | The African Americans: Many Rivers to Cross
http://www.understandingslavery.com...le&id=310:resistance-and-rebellion&Itemid=222
Dr. Cassandra Newby-Alexander and her team have specialized themselves on early settlements and slave colonies, in the USA as well as abroad in Africa.
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What you stated here was covered by Kofi Khepera. Did you watch his lectures?
Anyway, these "people" where indeed sadistic and suffered from cognitive dissonance.
Slavery was not seen as normal and as a common practice during those days. If so slave rebellions wouldn't have taken place. Even Columbus wrote about it in his journals.
They even changed the bible to the solidify their narratives.
The Slave Bible: Let the Story Be Told
I just happened to bump into this one.
Proof is in the pudding that they knew it was wrong. And we have to get to the bottom of this, because this is about Reparations.
--In fact before 1493 slavery was abandoned in most of Europe. What still was a common practice was indentured servitude.
--The very first was in 1688, when Quakers in Germantown, Pennsylvania wrote a two-page condemnation of the practice and sent it to the governing bodies of their Quaker church.
--The Society for the Relief of Free Negroes Unlawfully Held in Bondage was the first American abolition society; it was formed in 1775, primarily by Quakers in Philadelphia. Rhode Island Quakers, associated with Moses Brown, were among the first in America to free slaves.
--Thomas Paine wrote one of the first articles advocating the emancipation of slaves and the abolition of slavery in 1775, titled "African Slavery in America".
--The US constitution stated that no amendment regarding slavery or direct taxes could be permitted until 1808. This was mostly to give the states time to decide what to do about the matter before an amendment to the Constitution was made.
--One of the first to attempt to abolish the slavery trade in the American colonies was Thomas Jefferson. Jefferson included strong anti-slavery trade language in the original draft of the Declaration of Independence, but other delegates removed it. As President, Jefferson signed the Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves on March 2, 1807, which took effect in 1808 (which was the earliest it could have came into effect). However, whether or not Jefferson was a true abolitionist is debatable, as Jefferson kept hundreds of slaves himself. He privately struggled over the issue of slavery.
--Through the Northwest Ordinance of 1787, the Congress of the Confederation prohibited slavery in the territories northwest of the Ohio River. By 1804, abolitionists succeeded in passing legislation in most states north of the Ohio River and the Mason-Dixon Line that would eventually emancipate the slaves.
--One notable person was Robert Carter III of Virginia, who freed more than 450 slaves by "Deed of Gift", filed in 1791. This was more slaves than any other single American had freed or would ever free.
--William Lloyd Garrison led a radical shift in the 1830s; he demanded slave-owners to repent immediately, and set up a system of emancipation.
--A very important part that cannot be left out is Uncle Tom's Cabin by Harriet Beecher Stowe. Outraged by the Fugitive Slave Law of 1850, Stowe emphasized the horrors that abolitionists had long claimed about slavery.
--Nat Turner led the most successful slave rebellion in U.S. history in 1831. The rebellion was suppressed, but only after many deaths.
--Isabella Baumfree, a former slave, changed her name to Sojourner Truth and began preaching for the abolition of slavery in 1843.
--John Brown led a famous raid in 1859, and seized federal Harpers Ferry Armory, which contained tens of thousands of weapons. Brown believed that the South was on the verge of a gigantic slave uprising and that one spark would set it off. However, he was eventually hung in 1859. He was a major cause of the Civil War.
"The slave trade was abolished in the United States from 1 January 1808. However, some slaving continued on an illegal basis for the next fifty years. One popular subterfuge was to use whaling ships.”
~Liverpoolmuseums
Indentured servitude and serfdom came out of feudalism, and in particularly serfdom. We are in feudalism again. That is how western societies are constructed.
The fact that they gave whites the Headright and Homestead etc. tells that they knew there was something very wrong with what they did.
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Never listened to those lectures. The Irish stint in American slavery was probably at it's worse in the deep South which was started by the families that colonized Barbados which was described as hell on Earth. It became such a place to be avoided, by whites in the that they began shipping Africans to America by the boatload. Due to their sadistic nature they were Constantly replacing workers while in other parts of the country the labor replaced itself with reproduction.
By that time the Irish and Scottish they bought from the Cromwell conquests dried up and whites weren't fukking with the south like that. There were more then Enough opportunities in the territories for a white person to do contract work without the extra madness.
Irish and chatell slavery in America will be largely, overstated. I'm sure it existed but with the industrial age opening up they went to get fukkt by capitalist breathing fumes and destructive particles in mines and factories instead of holding down agriculture as a permanent whipped slave.
If anything they got the overseeer promotion or had their own land to cultivate after comlpeting their contracts
Ok, you didn't listen to the lectures, but you will insert your baseless opinion. None of what you say is close to the truth. Even that site you posted contradicts your claims. The Irish ever were Chattel slaves in America. NEVER!!! If so, we would have seen it in records.
Here are database of primary sources.
Irish Indentured Servants in the Colonies
Irish Indentured Servants Records
Our fact-check sources:
- Investopedia, Indentured Servitude
- Pacific Standard, No, The Irish Weren't Slaves Too
- Southern Poverty Law Center, How the Myth of the "Irish slaves" Became a Favorite Meme of Racists Online
- The Canadian Journal of Sociology, Cultural Trauma: Slavery and the Formation of African American Identity
- New York Times, Debunking a Myth: The Irish Were Not Slaves, Too
- PolitiFact, No, the first slaves shipped to the American colonies weren’t white Irish children
- New West Indian Guide, Contesting “White Slavery” in the Caribbean: Enslaved Africans and European Indentured Servants in Seventeenth-Century Barbados
- Liam Hogan on Medium, Open Letter of Irish Academics Condemning "Irish Slave" Disinformation
- Liam Hogan on OpenDemocracy.net, ‘Irish slaves’: the convenient myth
- Liam Kennedy, Unhappy the Land: The Most Oppressed People Ever, the Irish?
- Liam Hogan on Medium, "Kiss me, my slave owners were Irish”
- History.com, When America Despised the Irish: The 19th Century’s Refugee Crisis
- Vox, Why historians are fighting about “No Irish Need Apply” signs — and why it matters
- Guardian, The history of British slave ownership has been buried: now its scale can be revealed
- New York Times, Debunking a Myth: The Irish Were Not Slaves, Too
- PolitiFact, No, the first slaves shipped to the American colonies weren’t white Irish children
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Fact check: ‘Irish slaves’ meme repeats discredited article
A lengthy post relating to Irish people and slavery has been widely reposted and shared on Facebook. The text is from a widely discredited 2008 article.
Reuters Fact Check. REUTERS/Axel Schmidt
The text has been posted by multiple Facebook accounts ( here , here , hereand here ) and generated thousands of shares. It is extracted from the 2008 article which can be found here .
The piece is credited to a John Martin whose identity cannot be verified.
Irish historian Liam Hogan has rewritten extensively about myths surrounding Irish people and slavery (bit.ly/3hHhDSn) and traces many recent examples of misinformation on the subject back to the 2008 text featured in the posts. In an email to Reuters, he described the piece as “racist ahistorical propaganda”.
Dozens of academics signed a 2016 open letter attacking “’Irish slaves’ disinformation” which singled out the 2008 article as one of the sources of the false narrative (bit.ly/3hD6EJH).
The posts begin by stating: “The Irish slave trade began when 30,000 Irish prisoners were sold as slaves to the New World. The King James I Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies.”
This is an edited version of the original article which named the monarch in question as James II. The claim has been debunked by Hogan, who said there was no evidence for the existence of such a proclamation and pointed out that James II was not born until 1633 (bit.ly/2YU4ixz).
The post also states: “From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and another 300,000 were sold as slaves.” Hogan, referring to “The Irish Diaspora” by Andrew Bielenberg (here), told Reuters: “The total migration from Ireland to the West Indies for the entire 17th century is estimated to have been around 50,000 people and the total migration from Ireland to British North America and the West Indies is estimated to have been circa 165,000 between 1630 and 1775. If this is the case, where on earth is the meme getting the unequivocal and impossible 300,000 forced deportations from Ireland over a ten year period?”
The post also claims that Irish woman and girls were forced to procreate with African slaves. Hogan writes that there is no evidence to support this claim (bit.ly/2AUaZHE) and states: “These ahistorical claims are part racialised sadomasochistic fantasy and part old white supremacist myth”.
The post also states: “During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England”. There is no evidence to support this figure. In Barbados, where the majority of Irish indentured servants were sent, the total number of white immigrants, indentured or free, by the early 1870s was estimated at 21,500 ( here ).
A recent Reuters fact-checking article on another widely shared meme related to Ireland and slavery can be seen here . It details the differences between temporary indentured servitude and racialized chattel slavery and the appeal of ‘Irish slaves’ myths to racist groups.
VERDICT
False. Facebook posts purporting to describe the origins of “Irish slavery” are a rehash of a 2008 article consisting of numerous false claims.
This article was produced by the Reuters Fact Check team.
Fact check: ‘Irish slaves’ meme repeats discredited article
A lengthy post relating to Irish people and slavery has been widely reposted and shared on Facebook. The text is from a widely discredited 2008 article.
Reuters Fact Check. REUTERS/Axel Schmidt
The text has been posted by multiple Facebook accounts ( here , here , hereand here ) and generated thousands of shares. It is extracted from the 2008 article which can be found here .
The piece is credited to a John Martin whose identity cannot be verified.
Irish historian Liam Hogan has rewritten extensively about myths surrounding Irish people and slavery (bit.ly/3hHhDSn) and traces many recent examples of misinformation on the subject back to the 2008 text featured in the posts. In an email to Reuters, he described the piece as “racist ahistorical propaganda”.
Dozens of academics signed a 2016 open letter attacking “’Irish slaves’ disinformation” which singled out the 2008 article as one of the sources of the false narrative (bit.ly/3hD6EJH).
The posts begin by stating: “The Irish slave trade began when 30,000 Irish prisoners were sold as slaves to the New World. The King James I Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies.”
This is an edited version of the original article which named the monarch in question as James II. The claim has been debunked by Hogan, who said there was no evidence for the existence of such a proclamation and pointed out that James II was not born until 1633 (bit.ly/2YU4ixz).
The post also states: “From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and another 300,000 were sold as slaves.” Hogan, referring to “The Irish Diaspora” by Andrew Bielenberg (here), told Reuters: “The total migration from Ireland to the West Indies for the entire 17th century is estimated to have been around 50,000 people and the total migration from Ireland to British North America and the West Indies is estimated to have been circa 165,000 between 1630 and 1775. If this is the case, where on earth is the meme getting the unequivocal and impossible 300,000 forced deportations from Ireland over a ten year period?”
The post also claims that Irish woman and girls were forced to procreate with African slaves. Hogan writes that there is no evidence to support this claim (bit.ly/2AUaZHE) and states: “These ahistorical claims are part racialised sadomasochistic fantasy and part old white supremacist myth”.
The post also states: “During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England”. There is no evidence to support this figure. In Barbados, where the majority of Irish indentured servants were sent, the total number of white immigrants, indentured or free, by the early 1870s was estimated at 21,500 ( here ).
A recent Reuters fact-checking article on another widely shared meme related to Ireland and slavery can be seen here . It details the differences between temporary indentured servitude and racialized chattel slavery and the appeal of ‘Irish slaves’ myths to racist groups.
VERDICT
False. Facebook posts purporting to describe the origins of “Irish slavery” are a rehash of a 2008 article consisting of numerous false claims.
This article was produced by the Reuters Fact Check team.
Fact check: ‘Irish slaves’ meme repeats discredited article
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No more PAWGs, PLEASE??!!!??
Wish I could rep you more.