I didn't know this was a political conversation.Fact check: ‘Irish slaves’ meme repeats discredited article
A lengthy post relating to Irish people and slavery has been widely reposted and shared on Facebook. The text is from a widely discredited 2008 article.
Reuters Fact Check. REUTERS/Axel Schmidt
The text has been posted by multiple Facebook accounts ( here , here , hereand here ) and generated thousands of shares. It is extracted from the 2008 article which can be found here .
The piece is credited to a John Martin whose identity cannot be verified.
Irish historian Liam Hogan has rewritten extensively about myths surrounding Irish people and slavery (bit.ly/3hHhDSn) and traces many recent examples of misinformation on the subject back to the 2008 text featured in the posts. In an email to Reuters, he described the piece as “racist ahistorical propaganda”.
Dozens of academics signed a 2016 open letter attacking “’Irish slaves’ disinformation” which singled out the 2008 article as one of the sources of the false narrative (bit.ly/3hD6EJH).
The posts begin by stating: “The Irish slave trade began when 30,000 Irish prisoners were sold as slaves to the New World. The King James I Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies.”
This is an edited version of the original article which named the monarch in question as James II. The claim has been debunked by Hogan, who said there was no evidence for the existence of such a proclamation and pointed out that James II was not born until 1633 (bit.ly/2YU4ixz).
The post also states: “From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and another 300,000 were sold as slaves.” Hogan, referring to “The Irish Diaspora” by Andrew Bielenberg (here), told Reuters: “The total migration from Ireland to the West Indies for the entire 17th century is estimated to have been around 50,000 people and the total migration from Ireland to British North America and the West Indies is estimated to have been circa 165,000 between 1630 and 1775. If this is the case, where on earth is the meme getting the unequivocal and impossible 300,000 forced deportations from Ireland over a ten year period?”
The post also claims that Irish woman and girls were forced to procreate with African slaves. Hogan writes that there is no evidence to support this claim (bit.ly/2AUaZHE) and states: “These ahistorical claims are part racialised sadomasochistic fantasy and part old white supremacist myth”.
The post also states: “During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England”. There is no evidence to support this figure. In Barbados, where the majority of Irish indentured servants were sent, the total number of white immigrants, indentured or free, by the early 1870s was estimated at 21,500 ( here ).
A recent Reuters fact-checking article on another widely shared meme related to Ireland and slavery can be seen here . It details the differences between temporary indentured servitude and racialized chattel slavery and the appeal of ‘Irish slaves’ myths to racist groups.
VERDICT
False. Facebook posts purporting to describe the origins of “Irish slavery” are a rehash of a 2008 article consisting of numerous false claims.
This article was produced by the Reuters Fact Check team.
Fact check: ‘Irish slaves’ meme repeats discredited article
I'm not trying to prove the Irish had it as bad as black people or the white supremacists talking point that what they went through in terms of slavery mirrors the black experience.
Still, there were white Slaves in America.
you believe every single Irish and I'm also guessing white person that came to America was an indentured servant who was freed after their contract was over.
Okay that's fine I don't believe that because it's not true but I'm not trying to politicize it to say the experiences between white and black were the same.
there were Irish who worked voluntarily and there were some who were Forced to work involuntarily and there were some who were victims of fraudulent contract work and kept by whoever they were serving.
Every single thing I said is a fact and for you to say everything I said was a lie proves your just googling as you go or trying to tell me I'm making an overall point that I'm not making.
One lil lecture is not gospel and if the Irish scholars want to believe no one in their history was a slave in America or any other part of the world that's on them.