Investments in Education May Be Misdirected

[theworldismine13]

you said it has no impact.

what i said money is not the key and money would not erase the achievement gap, and your post doesn't disprove it, and you link doesnt even work

and the article i posted was saying more money has to be spent on early education so how can you say i said that money doesnt have an impact

Significant does not mean "very little"

significant can mean whatever you want it to mean

On the flip side you advocate charter schools which have been proven to offer no significant improvement over public schools whatsoever.

says the man who has his kids in charter schools

 

[MeachTheMonster]

what i said money is not the key and money would not erase the achievement gap, and your post doesn't disprove it, and you link doesnt even work

and the article i posted was saying more money has to be spent on early education so how can you say i said that money doesnt have an impact

I was gonna ask you the same thing. You keep saying money doesn't matter, yet your own articles says that it does.

significant can mean whatever you want it to mean

No it can't. It has a definition and that definition is not "very little"

says the man who has his kids in charter schools

That has nothing to do with the overall effectiveness of charter schools. My kids school is great. Most kids who go to charter schools can't say the same thing.


This is why I say you are a hypocrite. Cause if we look at charter school data the same way as you want to look at adding money to schools then they don't work. Overall charter schools are equal to public schools in terms of performance. A very small minority do better, but even more do worse.

Now if you were so into following studies and believing numbers you would reject the idea of charter schools. Why do you advocate for a failing system?

 

[Ms~Opinionated]

Too much school is the problem.

If education were equated with success, China and a whole host of European and Asian nations would be at the top of the economic food chain. That is not the case.

School is supposed to train kids for the world, but the world doesn't exist within the 4 walls of a classroom. School is not a place where you think, school is where you get told what to think. The greatest people on the planet had the TIME to do what made them great.

A lot of great inventions came from farmers' sons. Bill Gates had the time to code at a college or somewhere after school. The tyc00ns of the 20th century were child workers, who had time to learn the trades. Beyonce had time to practice, so did Tiger Woods, Serena Williams, and other famous people. The problem with schooling today is that is occupies a great deal of a child's time and mind.

What I am saying is that after a certain level of education, success comes from time spent doing what interests you. Einstein and Edison could not have done what they did had they sat in classrooms from ages 6 to 18 years plus 4 to 8 extra years focusing on a specialty.

The biggest secret is that China knows that their school system doesn't work, while they are desperately trying to make their children like ours, we are trying to make our kids like theirs.

School is too long. School takes up too much of a child's life. It is mental programming. School was created to make good workers that were educated enough to do the job, but also trained enough to follow orders.

It doesn't take 12 years of language arts to be able to read & write your NATIVE LANGUAGE. Much of what is learned in school can be learned by 13 years old. Why is school so long?

School is organized to waste time. You sit down in the same place all day and follow orders. This creates great workers, but not great innovators. These students will never go against the grain, because doing so is punished. This is how you create obedient worker bee citizens who do not question authority.

The people who do not thrive in this type of environment are labeled misfits or put on medication. Since they cannot thrive within the confines of a school building society labels these people drop outs, and this prohibits them from gaining economic opportunities. Its all a game.



I am not surprised to see Obama jump on these studies, while advocating for earlier childhood education. What do they want to get the children as newborns now? The idea is that the state can do a better job than the parents, which we know is false. Funny how the government creates these problems where kids can't pass their tests, then says in order to fix it we need your kids earlier, for more hours in the day, and for more years of their life.

 

[theworldismine13]

I was gonna ask you the same thing. You keep saying money doesn't matter, yet your own articles says that it does.

i keep saying that money isnt the key to education, dealing with culture is, i didnt say that money didnt matter, i dont have a problem with increased education spending, i have a problem with people thinking increasing education spending is the key to improving black education

No it can't. It has a definition and that definition is not "very little"

actually it can mean whatever you want it to mean

That has nothing to do with the overall effectiveness of charter schools. My kids school is great. Most kids who go to charter schools can't say the same thing.


This is why I say you are a hypocrite. Cause if we look at charter school data the same way as you want to look at adding money to schools then they don't work. Overall charter schools are equal to public schools in terms of performance. A very small minority do better, but even more do worse.

Now if you were so into following studies and believing numbers you would reject the idea of charter schools. Why do you advocate for a failing system?

i dont know where you are getting that from, im assuming its the same credo study that broke wave was harping about in the podcast, the problem for you is that the credo study is an ongoing study and as it starts studying charter schools state by state its showing that charter schools do better

and you having your kids in charter schools is significant, it just shows you're a hypocrite

 

[MeachTheMonster]

i keep saying that money isnt the key to education, dealing with culture is, i didnt say that money didnt matter, i dont have a problem with increased education spending, i have a problem with people thinking increasing education spending is the key to improving black education

Well over the last 50 years increased funding has helped black kids more than charter schools have. Why do you downplay one and advocate the other when all the data disagrees with you?

actually it can mean whatever you want it to mean

i dont know where you are getting that from, im assuming its the same credo study that broke wave was harping about in the podcast, the problem for you is that the credo study is an ongoing study and as it starts studying charter schools state by state its showing that charter schools do better

so closer analysis of data can yield different results than the overall picture. Glad we cleared that up.

Do you still deny that increased spending has helped kids, especially poor and minorities?

and you having your kids in charter schools is significant, it just shows you're a hypocrite

define significant.

 

[theworldismine13]

Well over the last 50 years increased funding has helped black kids more than charter schools have. Why do you downplay one and advocate the other when all the data disagrees with you?

i dont even understand that question, charter schools barely even existed until about 10 years ago, and they still are a tiny percentage of schools and the reason why people pushed them is to deal with bad public schools and the overall academic performance of black kids has been atrocious for the past 50 years

your question is retarded in multiple ways

so closer analysis of data can yield different results than the overall picture. Glad we cleared that up.

its not a closer analysis of data, i said its an ongoing study that is going state by state and is continuously getting new data, you can look them up yourself CREDO

define significant.

look it up in the dictionary

 

[MeachTheMonster]

i dont even understand that question, charter schools barely even existed until about 10 years ago, and they still are a tiny percentage of schools and the reason why people pushed them is to deal with bad public schools and the overall academic performance of black kids has been atrocious for the past 50 years

your question is retarded in multiple ways

Only because you can't answer it honestly without contradicting yourself.

its not a closer analysis of data, i said its an ongoing study that is going state by state and is continuously getting new data, you can look them up yourself CREDO

Yes it is. An analysis of the entire country shows that charter schools offer no real advantage. If you break that down to indivudal states then you start to see some differences.

It's funny. Data that supports your postion you believe without question. But any data that disagrees with you is met with great skepticism. If you are all about following data points then charter schools are a failure and a waste of money.

look it up in the dictionary

I thought it could mean anything. Why do I need a dictionary?

 

[MeachTheMonster]

There's literaly a wealth of information pointing to the fact that charters don't work, yet you still advocate for them.

While using outdated, flawed and debunked studies to support your "money doesn't matter" narative.

I don't know if your willingly dishonest or just confused.

 

[kevm3]

Too much school is the problem.

If education were equated with success, China and a whole host of European and Asian nations would be at the top of the economic food chain. That is not the case.

School is supposed to train kids for the world, but the world doesn't exist within the 4 walls of a classroom. School is not a place where you think, school is where you get told what to think. The greatest people on the planet had the TIME to do what made them great.

A lot of great inventions came from farmers' sons. Bill Gates had the time to code at a college or somewhere after school. The tyc00ns of the 19th century were child workers, who had time to learn the trades. Beyonce had time to practice, so did Tiger Woods, Serena Williams, and other famous people. The problem with schooling today is that is occupies a great deal of a child's time and mind.

What I am saying is that after a certain level of education, success comes from time spent doing what interests you. Einstein and Edison could not have done what they did had they sat in classrooms from ages 6 to 18 years plus 4 to 8 extra years focusing on a specialty.

The biggest secret is that China knows that their school system doesn't work, while they are desperately trying to make their children like ours, we are trying to make our kids like theirs.

School is too long. School takes up too much of a child's life. It is mental programming. School was created to make good workers that were educated enough to do the job, but also trained enough to follow orders.

It doesn't take 12 years of language arts to be able to read & write your NATIVE LANGUAGE. Much of what is learned in school can be learned by 13 years old. Why is school so long?

School is organized to waste time. You sit down in the same place all day and follow orders. This creates great workers, but not great innovators. These students will never go against the grain, because doing so is punished. This is how you create obedient worker bee citizens who do not question authority.

The people who do not thrive in this type of environment are labeled misfits or put on medication. Since they cannot thrive within the confines of a school building society labels these people drop outs, and this prohibits them from gaining economic opportunities. Its all a game.



I am not surprised to see Obama jump on these studies, while advocating for earlier childhood education. What do they want to get the children as newborns now? The idea is that the state can do a better job than the parents, which we know is false. Funny how the government creates these problems where kids can't pass their tests, then says in order to fix it we need your kids earlier, for more hours in the day, and for more years of their life.

Pretty much my opinion on the matter. School is a nice breeding ground for obedient workers.

 

[theworldismine13]

There's literaly a wealth of information pointing to the fact that charters don't work, yet you still advocate for them.

While using outdated, flawed and debunked studies to support your "money doesn't matter" narative.

I don't know if your willingly dishonest or just confused.

you are more than welcome to look at the latests studies on charter schools right here

CREDO

nothing i have posted is outdated, flawed or been debunked, and in fact what i posted was a recent study suggesting increasing spending and i was saying we should increas spending on charter schools and vouchers, i dont have a problem with spending, i have a problem with spending money on a bad system and a system that doesnt address culture and with the idea that spending is the key to fixing schools

 

[MeachTheMonster]

you are more than welcome to look at the latests studies on charter schools right here

CREDO

nothing i have posted is outdated, flawed or been debunked, and in fact what i posted was a recent study suggesting increasing spending and i was saying we should increas spending on charter schools and vouchers, i dont have a problem with spending, I have a problem with spending money on a bad system and a system that doesnt address culture and with the idea that spending is the key to fixing schools

Charter schools are a bad system. And plenty of public schools have addressed culture with great success.

 

[theworldismine13]

Charter schools are a bad system. And plenty of public schools have addressed culture with great success.

i dont have any response to broad generic statements which are most likely false

and if charter schools are bad you should take your kids out of them

 

[MeachTheMonster]

i dont have any response to broad generic statements which are most likely false

and if charter schools are bad you should take your kids out of them

You ignore evidence when it doesn't support your claims. There are plenty of successful inner city schools which are not charter schools. And there are more failing charters than there are succesful ones.

You will ignore these facts to push your agenda, but that doesn't make them any less valid.

 

[theworldismine13]

You ignore evidence when it doesn't support your claims. There are plenty of successful inner city schools which are not charter schools. And there are more failing charters than there are succesful ones.

You will ignore these facts to push your agenda, but that doesn't make them any less valid.

i dont see what it is im avoiding i actually posted the link to studies that compare public schools to charter schools

CREDO