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I am not a Ayn Rand stan but i don't think you understand the concept of individual rights or the social contract. John Locke was one of the founders of social contract theory which is a major concept in Classical Liberalism/American Libertarianism.
Examples of Classically Liberal Societies:
America
Canada
England
Scotland
Ireland
Australia
New Zealand
France
John Locke's theories are found throughout the American Declaration of Independence. Canada was strongly built on the ideas of Classical Liberalism and the ideas of the United Empire Loyalists. Canada was strongly Classically Liberal all the way up to the 1960's, so was England. You could argue that Classical Economics have been gone for a long time, but the social theories built by Classical Liberalism have been around and have built the west since the 18th century. Progressives and Neocon's are doing their best to destroy it though.
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Only radical libertarians believe in no government at all. Even then, can you explain how being a selfish a$$hole is a virtue in libertarianism?
Fiscally conservative, socially liberal. People should keep liberty as a paramount value and coercion and violation of individual and property rights should be minimal if not non existent altogether. The state should act as protection from aggression, coercion and violations of rights, and people should be allowed to do as they please (within reason, and without harm and encroachment to others). Makes sense to me.
There are many different versions of Libertarianism, so shuffling them all under Rand or even Nozick is a bit of a reach. And even under Nozick and his version of an anarchian utopia, a state still inevitably forms. There are definitely social contracts in libertarianism.
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Most Libertarians believe it's somehow deeply immoral for a portion of their earnings to go towards public services and/or social programs for the poor. In fact many believe that taxes in general are some kind of crime against humanity.
Many will try to rationalize it by equivocating taxes to slavery and or "force", but in the end it's just resentment towards the idea of their money helping someone else (especially people in groups they don't approve of).
To be taken by force for what some one else perceives as "best".*
The whole point of a government is to "force" people to follow rules that the general populace agrees on. That's why we have laws. A government that can't make anybody do anything by definition isn't even a government. Do you also have an issue with being "forced" to obey traffic laws? Criminal laws? Copyright laws? Safety laws? Being "forced" to buy car insurance? I'm not sure what kind of "government" you advocate if you don't think anybody should ever be forced to do anything, I can only guess you're an anarchist.
As far as "what someone else perceives as best", well, "someone else" is the majority of the population. Taxes are no different than any other law. If you don't like a tax then that's your business, and you can support anti-tax politicians, but the idea that taxation isn't a legitimate function of government because they're taken by "force" isn't taken seriously by most people.
The whole point of a government is to "force" people to follow rules that the general populace agrees on. That's why we have laws. A government that can't make anybody do anything by definition isn't even a government. Do you also have an issue with being "forced" to obey traffic laws? Criminal laws? Copyright laws? Safety laws? Being "forced" to buy car insurance? I'm not sure what kind of "government" you advocate if you don't think anybody should ever be forced to do anything, I can only guess you're an anarchist.
As far as "what someone else perceives as best", well, "someone else" is the majority of the population. Taxes are no different than any other law. If you don't like a tax then that's your business, and you can support anti-tax politicians, but the idea that taxation isn't a legitimate function of government because they're taken by "force" isn't taken seriously by most people.
Its the initiation of force.
For example taxing goods(a consumption tax) isnt force, taking part of some ones income before they see it with the threat of incarceration is.
The act of driving a vehicle is a choice you voluntarily make, there is no force involved. You agree to the stipulations when you voluntarily decide to drive.
I do think safety laws are ridiculous as is much of our criminal law. if there is no victim(a person who has been transgressed against/or had force initiated upon them) there is no crime imho.
patents are tricky, im not sure where i sit on those yet...
While the tyranny of the majority is a very real fact of life, w cant let it erode liberties and strip us of inalienable rights.
The majority once thought blacks weren't real people... how much stock was in that consensus?
Its the initiation of force.
For example taxing goods(a consumption tax) isnt force, taking part of some ones income before they see it with the threat of incarceration is.
The act of driving a vehicle is a choice you voluntarily make, there is no force involved. You agree to the stipulations when you voluntarily decide to drive.
I do think safety laws are ridiculous as is much of our criminal law. if there is no victim(a person who has been transgressed against/or had force initiated upon them) there is no crime imho.
patents are tricky, im not sure where i sit on those yet...
While the tyranny of the majority is a very real fact of life, w cant let it erode liberties and strip us of inalienable rights.
The majority once thought blacks weren't real people... how much stock was in that consensus?
So let me gets this straight, consumption taxes (also levied by the government) are ok but income taxes are somehow "taken by force"? C'mon son. There's no reason one would be legitimate and another wouldn't be. Seems like you only like regressive taxes.
And safety laws are somehow bad?
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Economic liberal...no surprise.
Economic liberal...no surprise.
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Damn, me @BarNone and @Broke Wave maps look identical.
Consumption taxes are paid, income taxes are taken... Not the difficult to see really.
So let me gets this straight, consumption taxes (also levied by the government) are ok but income taxes are somehow "taken by force"? C'mon son. There's no reason one would be legitimate and another wouldn't be. Seems like you only like regressive taxes.
And safety laws are somehow bad?
How about this:
Would you be for Americans receiving all of there income, then paying the taxes themselves(vs having them taken ahead of time)?
And safety laws are not "bad" just wholly unnecessary.
The flaw is that is says we should thus be completely happy with the current administration which is obviously not the case unless they make no distinction between stated goals and actions.