We know why the BBB didn't pass. And it wasn't because the Biden administration did not want to pass it.
It's because Manchin and Sinema tanked it.
Stop lying lil nikka.
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It's because Manchin and Sinema tanked it.
Stop lying lil nikka.
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AquaCityBoy
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88m3
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So you agree that the Dems had no intention of passing it.
I absolutely do not agree
AquaCityBoy
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fukk outta here. They did literally everything wrong to play right into Manchin and Sinema's hands, when everybody from jagoff YouTubers to random nikkas on The Coli knew exactly what would happen if they did.
So either they never wanted it to pass or every single member of Dem leadership is incompetent and stupid AF. Which is it?
AquaCityBoy
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Still gaslighting. Give it up.fukk outta here. They did literally everything wrong to play right into Manchin and Sinema's hands, when everybody from jagoff YouTubers to random nikkas on The Coli knew exactly what would happen if they did.
So either they never wanted it to pass or every single member of Dem leadership is incompetent and stupid AF. Which is it?
AquaCityBoy
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Youve created your own reality.to the ig ore list you go.No answer. Just like I thought.
fukk outta here. They did literally everything wrong to play right into Manchin and Sinema's hands, when everybody from jagoff YouTubers to random nikkas on The Coli knew exactly what would happen if they did.
So either they never wanted it to pass or every single member of Dem leadership is incompetent and stupid AF. Which is it?
What could Biden have done differently though?
Manchin and Sinema were never going to pass that shyt regardless.
Biden is pretty weak as far as getting his party in line, but I'm sure he wanted to pass it and not be a lame duck president.
AquaCityBoy
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The obvious thing he should have done differently is not go down to the House and get the progressive caucus to cave. He intentionally lied to them that he could get Manchin to pass BBB, knowing that it was gonna be dead as soon as BIF passed. Of course I've criticized the progressive caucus plenty for actually falling for this shyt, but that's another issue.
I know the argument at the time was "Manchin doesn't care about passing BIF as much as he does killing BBB," but that's horseshyt and I don't buy it at all. Manchin literally begged his donors to force Republicans to get on board for a bill so he could have a bipartisan win. Albeit that was for voting rights, but the infrastructure bill was an even bigger win for him. Are we supposed to honestly believe Manchin would have let that bill die when getting it passed is the major bipartisan win he was crying about for months? When passing that bill would have been his excuse to keep the filibuster in place because "the Senate can work" with it in place? Letting that bill go to the House floor and die does nothing for that point.
Furthermore, we need to understand why 19 Republicans voted for BIF, including Mitch McConnell. Mitch McConnell is the same person who said his number one goal was to see Joe Biden fail. He said right before Breyer announced his retirement that if a Supreme Court seat opened up while Republicans had the Senate, they wouldn't bring Biden's nominee to a vote. He basically admitted that he wanted Breyer to pull an RBG and die while he was in power. So with all that, do you think he and the other Republicans voted for BIF out of the kindness of their hearts? We all know it was a corporate giveaway bill, so it's clear that they and/or their donors are getting a major kickback from it. There is no doubt that those same donors would have eventually pressured Manchin to go, "Stop fukking around and get that bill signed.
" Obviously they'd have to concede to Manchin on some things, and the final version of BBB wouldn't be identical to the initial $3.5T, but Manchin already wrote his own version of the bill as a counteroffer. It's not a coincidence that he blew up his own bill as soon as Biden signed BIF.To be clear, it is not all Biden's fault. Dem leadership as a whole failed every step of the way. Biden claimed he wouldn't sign one bill without the other, then backtracked because Republicans pushed back, then signed BIF by itself anyway after the House passed it. Pelosi was adamant that BIF wouldn't be brought to a vote unless BBB passed the Senate first, then changed her mind because... reasons? The 'progressive' caucus demanded assurances that BBB would pass the Senate first, then caved and voted for BIF anyway even though there wasn't even a final Senate version of the BBB. Biden went to speak to the progressive caucus and lied that he could get Manchin on board when he knew he had zero plan to do so. All this played right into Manchin's hands and gave him BIF on a silver platter and let him kill BBB, which everyone saw coming a mile away. And now that he's done it the White House is too shook to even mention it to him anymore.
Which leads me to my conclusion: either they really weren't interested in passing BBB at all or every single one of these people in Dem leadership are the dumbest motherfukkers on Earth. I'll let you decide which.
They should not have turned on progressives - they lost that credibility for future discussions and that caucus will be emboldened.
mastermind
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The answer is both.Which leads me to my conclusion: either they really weren't interested in passing BBB at all or every single one of these people in Dem leadership are the dumbest motherfukkers on Earth. I'll let you decide which.
This depends, IMO. I don't think the current construction of the progressive caucus cares that much.
Its current construct with Jayapal, etc, idk. The more progressive members that voted against the BIF will probably not.
storyteller
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Splitting Infrastructure from BBB was the big flop to me. I'm not sure that they would have gotten BBB passed in whole, but I think they could have gotten something extra passed by keeping that Infrastructure bill off the table until some concessions were made.
I think Biden wanted to pass BBB personally, but this failure is an indictment of Democratic leadership in the face of that fact. They advertised the hell out of BBB with confidence and then fumbled the bag. That's either incompetence in failing to pass it or incompetence in completely underestimating how little control they wield over their members to fail at passing their focal point legislation with a supermajority.
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They should have never been put together the way they were tbh.
BIF had already passed the senate prior to the forced coupling. They should have passed BIF, read the room on BBB initiatives and passed the pieces they could prior to going into reconciliation.
It's a failure because they went the all or nothing route and ended up with nothing.
The idea that Manchin and Sinema would be pushed along via public pressure to pass a publicly popular package failed miserably. Manchin's at home poll numbers remained sky high and Sinema once again showed she's a sociopath.