Incredible stat that shows how great Kobe Bryant was in 2005-06 (analytics nerds get in here)

[Swagnificent]

You fukking moron who was LeBron playing with those teams struggled mightily on both ends of the floor when he wasn’t on the court you’re talking about a Mo Williams led team in ‘09 when he’s not on the court

In the ‘06 season LeBron had a +13 on/off on offense. He averaged 31.4 points per game to Kobe’s 35.4 but had superior playmaking and efficiency to offset that. He was in his age 20/21 years old season and his team consisted of a washed Larry Hughes who only played 36 games, Big Z, Drew Gooden, Varejao, Eric Snow, Damon Jones, Pavlovic, Donyell Marshall.

This team was only 14th in the league in 3PT% and a large part is because LeBron is one of the best ever at passing out of doubles and using his gravity and I.Q. in the P&R to generate three point looks

And here comes the spin.

Kobe on the court in 2005-06 = Best offense in the NBA

Kobe off the court in 2005-06 = 3rd worst offense in NBA history

Nobody has had a impact like that in the history of the game. Nobody has taken one of the worst offenses in the league when he's not on the court and turned it into the best offense in the NBA.

 

[Swagnificent]

@Swagnificent

You said LeBron would average less than 25 with trash spacing like LeBron’s had great spacing his whole career

LeBron would never average under 25 until he’s you fool

In his second season ever at 19/20 years old he averaged 27.2 points per game on a team that was 28th in three pointers made, 27th in three pointers taken, and 27th in 3PT%

His supporting cast was Big Z, Drew Gooden, Jeff McInnis, Eric Snow, Ira Newble, rookie Varejao and Pavlovic, Robert Traylor a complete and utter trash supporting cast

He won the Scoring Title at 30 points per game with a team with average at best spacing in ‘08, 14th in threes made, 15th in threes attempted, 16th in %.

Nikka makes trash take after trash take

Eastern Conference bump. Place that exact team in the West and LeBron doesn't get to 25ppg.

LeBron has benefited his entire career from playing in a weak conference. We're seeing it right now just how much he benefited. He can't even make the playoffs in the West.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Brehs, this nikka single handily outscored the Finals runner up Dallas Mavericks in 3 quarters of basketball. By himself....

 

[ISO]

And here comes the spin.

Kobe on the court in 2005-06 = Best offense in the NBA

Kobe off the court in 2005-06 = 3rd worst offense in NBA history

Nobody has had a impact like that in the history of the game. Nobody has taken one of the worst offenses in the league when he's not on the court and turned it into the best offense in the NBA.

And if LeBron were on the team it would be a similar impact given LeBron has already had similar impact on various rosters during his first tenure in Cleveland

Again the Lakers depended on Kobe’s volume scoring and that nikka was playing 41 minutes per game

Any prolific volume scorer shooting 27 times a game was going to have that type of impact because of the way that teams offense was structured

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

And if LeBron were on the team it would be a similar impact given LeBron has already had similar impact on various rosters during his first tenure in Cleveland

Again the Lakers depended on Kobe’s volume scoring and that nikka was playing 41 minutes per game

Any prolific volume scorer shooting 27 times a game was going to have that type of impact because of the way that teams offense was structured

Stop. LeBron on that 06 Lakers team ain’t doin the shyt Kobe did. Hell they don’t even make the playoffs.

 

[ISO]

Eastern Conference bump. Place that exact team in the West and LeBron doesn't get to 25ppg.

LeBron has benefited his entire career from playing in a weak conference. We're seeing it right now just how much he benefited. He can't even make the playoffs in the West.

Goofy fukk nikka the East had better defenses and typically slower pace

His splits are available against the West. He averaged 29.3 points against the West in ‘08 in 29 games.

He averaged 26.5 points and had better efficiency against the West in 30 games in ‘05.

A scorer is a scorer regardless of Conference you can’t spin this goofy

Regardless of spacing he was getting buckets and these are all seasons before he was even 24

 

[ISO]

Stop. LeBron on that 06 Lakers team ain’t doin the shyt Kobe did. Hell they don’t even make the playoffs.

This isn’t based off shyt other than bias. LeBron already averaged 31.4 points and could up his scoring average if needed. Kobe’s volume scoring advantage is offset by superior playmaking and efficiency from LeBron.

LeBron’s team was trash too and they won 50 games and made it past the first round thru a playoff run that included game winners from LeBron against Washington and he took a 64 win Detroit team 7 games as an underdog in the second round.

‘06 LeBron bested ‘06 Kobe in several lyrics. PER, box plus minus, value over replacement player, win shares.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

This isn’t based off shyt other than bias. LeBron already averaged 31.4 points and could up his scoring average if needed. Kobe’s volume scoring advantage is offset by superior playmaking and efficiency from LeBron.

LeBron’s team was trash too and they won 50 games and made it past the first round thru a playoff run that included game winners from LeBron against Washington and he took a 64 win Detroit team 7 games as an underdog in the second round.

‘06 LeBron bested ‘06 Kobe in several lyrics. PER, box plus minus, value over replacement player, win shares.

LeBron’s playmaking wouldn’t have been as much of a factor because you had zero shot makers on that Lakers squad. Also, while LeBron is scoring for efficient numbers the other team would be running away with the game. The next best player was a coked up Odom. Say what you will about Mo Will or Boobie Gibson but at least those two could take and make shots. Also, the East was not comparable to the West at that time. No teams in the East were a viable threat for the title while there were at least three teams out West with title hopes and several other strong playoff teams.

 

[ISO]

LeBron’s playmaking wouldn’t have been as much of a factor because you had zero shot makers on that Lakers squad. The next best player was a coked up Odom. Also, the East was not comparable to the West at that time. No teams in the East were a viable threat for the title while there were at least three teams out West with title hopes and several other strong playoff teams.

Odom wasn’t coked out then don’t do that breh that’s disrespectful

A good playmaker makes players around him better period. LeBron is dishing more assists out than Kobe. LeBron played with comparably bad rosters in that mid-00’s era and was still getting 6-7 assists. LeBron’s assists remain constant thruout his career regardless of team quality.

Also mentioning the conferences is irrelevant I already proved that don’t really affect LeBron’s performance and teams in the East not being viable threats makes no sense. An East team won the title (Miami).

The best team in the regular season was an East team Detroit who won 64 games and were coming off back to back Finals appearances. Also if you look at LeBron’s career win/loss record against the West he typically steamrolls through them damn near went undefeated against them in certain seasons.

Look at the standings in both conferences it was evenly matched that season. The East won the All-Star game, LeBron was MVP.
2005-06 NBA Season Summary | Basketball-Reference.com

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Odom wasn’t coked out then don’t do that breh that’s disrespectful

A good playmaker makes players around him better period. LeBron is dishing more assists out than Kobe. LeBron played with comparably bad rosters in that mid-00’s era and was still getting 6-7 assists. LeBron’s assists remain constant thruout his career regardless of team quality.

Also mentioning the conferences is irrelevant I already proved that don’t really affect LeBron’s performance and teams in the East not being viable threats makes no sense. An East team won the title (Miami).

The best team in the regular season was an East team Detroit who won 64 games and were coming off back to back Finals appearances. Also if you look at LeBron’s career win/loss record against the West he typically steamrolls through them damn near went undefeated against them in certain seasons.

Look at the standings in both conferences it was evenly matched that season. The East won the All-Star game, LeBron was MVP.
2005-06 NBA Season Summary | Basketball-Reference.com

Clearly was joking about the coked up part, but he wasn’t that good is the point.

Also, to bring up LeBron’s playmaking ability is to severely discredit Kobe’s own playmaking ability which was elite in his own right. The only difference between the two is that LeBron’s focus is playmaking while Kobe’s is individual scoring.

In the case of the Lakers styles make fights, or in this case styles make teams. LeBron’s abilities would’ve been redundant around guys like Odom and to a lesser extent Luke who were more all around players. The team had no scoring ability whatsoever so Kobe stylistically was a better fit for the 06 Lakers over LeBron. Put it this way, Suns easily could’ve thrown Diaw or Matrix on LeBron and neutralize him, Spurs had defenders, Mavs, even the Kings would’ve put prime Artest on him. Who picks up the scoring load in that situation? LeBron hadn’t even reached his Miami playing level yet. No team could shut down 06 Kobe at that time, no one.

Now if you were to argue in the case of the Lakers and Cavs switching conferences then I’d agree with you. I think the Cavs fit LeBron’s style much better than the 06 Lakers and he would’ve stood a better chance to make the playoffs in the West then just as Kobe would’ve made the playoffs with the 06 Lakers in the East.

 

[Swagnificent]

And if LeBron were on the team it would be a similar impact given LeBron has already had similar impact on various rosters during his first tenure in Cleveland

Again the Lakers depended on Kobe’s volume scoring and that nikka was playing 41 minutes per game

Any prolific volume scorer shooting 27 times a game was going to have that type of impact because of the way that teams offense was structured

blah blah blah.

I thought you LeBron stans said numbers over everything. nikkas now coming here with hypotheticals and excuses for why Kobe is the best according to analytics.

Men lie. Women lie. Numbers don't. The analytics say Kobe had the best offensive season ever. Stop with the juelzing.

 

[Swagnificent]

Stop. LeBron on that 06 Lakers team ain’t doin the shyt Kobe did. Hell they don’t even make the playoffs.

Bron stans and the media would be whining about LeBron needing shooters and more help.

I would like Bron stans to find one time anyone ever said Kobe needs shooters?

 

[HandyWithTheSteel]

Stop. LeBron on that 06 Lakers team ain’t doin the shyt Kobe did. Hell they don’t even make the playoffs.

Lebron that same season won 50 games with Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Drew Gooden as his 2nd and 3rd options.

Lamar Odom is better than any teammate Lebron had in Cleveland.

 

[Swagnificent]

Goofy fukk nikka the East had better defenses and typically slower pace

His splits are available against the West. He averaged 29.3 points against the West in ‘08 in 29 games.

He averaged 26.5 points and had better efficiency against the West in 30 games in ‘05.

A scorer is a scorer regardless of Conference you can’t spin this goofy

Regardless of spacing he was getting buckets and these are all seasons before he was even 24

You can't be this stupid? Can you? Ever heard of "smaller sample sizes" and "less familiarity". When teams play each other across conferences its never quite the same as when they play teams from their own conferences.

In 2007 (for example), the Cavs beat the Spurs both times in the regular season. Then the finals roll around and the Spurs sweep them 4-0.

The only reason the Cavs had regular season success against Western Conference teams is cause nobody in that conference was really checking or scouting for them in the regular season. They were focused more on the teams they played more often. Place that Cavs team in the West and they don't make the playoffs. They get bodied like the Spurs bodied them in finals after losing both games in the regular season.

 

[Swagnificent]

Lebron that same season won 50 games with Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Drew Gooden as his 2nd and 3rd options.

Lamar Odom is better than any teammate Lebron had in Cleveland.

The eastern conference that year was worth about 20 easy wins.

Place that team in the West and they don't win 30 games.