Incel does experiment with cac who states he has criminal record beating women and still gets 800 matches + dates

[Wildin]

I was not given handsome gang astetics, heck here is my picture when I was 23:

I was not considered a member of handsomegang, as it is called these days.

Were you like 5'2 105lbs?

Or did your teeth look like you used to chew rocks as a hobby? Because no homo, you look like an average guy.

Most ugly dudes have a lazy eye, acne scars, facial features that are disproportionate, odd shaped, oblong, lumpy head or something.

I'm not saying women didn't find you attractive, but in your case you just might not have been in the right area.

There's plenty of real ugly dudes out there that have skin blemishes, acne scars, eyes that don't fit their head, a nose that doesn't fit their face and when they tell you "chicks weren't giving me no types of play" you can see it.

Once again no homo but in that picture you look like you got over that weird awkward ugly looking phase you may have had when you were a teen, maybe you had shytty framed glasses, braces and a bad haircut or something, or maybe facially that was never the issue and there's something else like a height issue or a weight issue.

I got a bro that looks like he could be big Sean's brother circa 2010. He's really like 5'5- 5'6. Women tell him all the time he's cute and handsome but they don't really fukk with him because he has a small frame. He's probably 135 max. His face is there n/h they love his eyes, his smile, his mustache and goatee, beard, his lips. He stays getting compliments on his face but his issue (he's 34) is he can't pull no one in. And it's not his face or his job, or money, how he dresses.

 

[Genos]

This shyt is the same for women tho too. A piece of shyt dime is still getting wifed, look at Draya

 

[Swirv]

So that's a no it doesn't change the fact. Just deflecting.

"Who gives a shyt"
But you give a shyt enough to mentions dude's sexuality though. Yeah ight.

Lust is lust. Women want to smash as much as men do. Same way we see women that are attractive to us and want to slap skins, women feel the same way.

Society shames one gender more for expressing their desires than the other, in certain instances.

The issue for dude is he doesn’t feel desired, by women, or men.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You're missing the point though which is that incels were told that looks literally don't matter, and that they should just "be nice".

Obviously incels should improve their looks. And personality and confidence. But they're bitter over being "duped"

This is a lie incel tell themselves through confirmation bias.

They haven't been duped, they just don't know how to play the game.

And here's the point you're missing - once you focus on improving yourself, you'll naturally trend away from that type of mindset that females don't want you and that desperation you have of wanting them to like you becomes less important because you're putting your mind in a space of achieving something else, which funnily enough, will make females want you.

Incels are only bitter because they want instant results.

Also some stuff like height plays a role which can't always be improved

This really some Red pill shyt.

Nxgga.

A female's attraction isn't limited to just being tall. If a woman is telling you you've got to be of a certain height, she's either not for you or you've got to give her a reason to be attracted to you for something else. This is how incels really dupe themselves, knowingly, because they want to wallow in their own miserable existence, by proving themselves right that females don't want them, by literally acting like females don't want them, and fitting everything they can around that narrative to convince themselves of it.

Of course, no cotdamn female is going to want a [shorter] man that cries about how women don't like short guys. If you want to make your entire personality your height, than you already lost.

 

[KidJSoul]

This is a lie incel tell themselves through confirmation bias.

They haven't been duped, they just don't know how to play the game.

And here's the point you're missing - once you focus on improving yourself, you'll naturally trend away from that type of mindset that females don't want you and that desperation you have of wanting them to like you becomes less important because you're putting your mind in a space of achieving something else, which funnily enough, will make females want you.

Incels are only bitter because they want instant results.

This really some Red pill shyt.

Nxgga.

A female's attraction isn't limited to just being tall. If a woman is telling you you've got to be of a certain height, she's either not for you or you've got to give her a reason to be attracted to you for something else. This is how incels really dupe themselves, knowingly, because they want to wallow in their own miserable existence, by proving themselves right that females don't want them, by literally acting like females don't want them, and fitting everything they can around that narrative to convince themselves of it.

Of course, no cotdamn female is going to want a [shorter] man that cries about how women don't like short guys. If you want to make your entire personality your height, than you already lost.

For a disclaimer, I'm not defending or agreeing with incels

I was just explaining their thought process. What you're saying is true, I just don't think it's the whole story. I think being "duped" does play a part of it, in addition to what you said. I agree they have confirmation bias and want to be miserable. But some of them became that way because of bad experiences, and lies.

but you're free to disagree.

 

[Mowgli]

Bird like
Yea
Beat this p*ssy up.

 

[Frump]

The real problem is what people see of society is based on the people they surround themselves with, which doesn't transfer to the dating market.

This is where I feel left leaning people can be out of touch and somewhat inadvertently classist. The type of people you're familiar with are a small percentage of the wider population.

That’s what the incels do though. They don’t leave their basement or bubble because if they went outside and got some sunlight they would see that the vast majority of Men holding hands and pushing strollers are average men not physical specimens

The idea a small percentage of good looking successful men are fukking all the women is so godamn stupid

Most people are average looking yet most people find someone to love

 

[semicko82]

All over this thread there are guys claiming that they know unattractive guys who smash attractive women.

Also, I didn't say anything about my own problems at all. I didn't mention myself at all.

I'm physically fit, nicely groomed, wear nice clothes that fit well on my body, great conversationalist with great body language.

Here's the main point:

Some guys try everything and get angry because they were told it was easy. They were told that physical attraction had nothing to do with it.

Sometimes you did absolutely nothing wrong. The girl just wasn't attracted. Why is that so hard to accept?

I kinda get your point. You self improved, but are not seeing results.

I definitely understand

 

[MajesticLion]

alts with redpill garbage

 

[African Peasant]

But he didn't prove his point. Basic logic should become a high school requirement cause y'all are treating an "inverse case" as if it proves something when inverse cases don't prove anything at all.


"Attractive man with bad past gets some matches from some women" does not 'prove' why a less attractive man does not get any matches from any women. There are thousands and thousands of women who did not choose to match with the attractive man, who also did not choose to match with him. Therefore, just plain "not being attractive" is not enough to explain why he doesn't get women.



Imagine if someone said, "They say I'm fat because I eat a pizza every day. But I know a triathelete who eats two pizzas every day, and he's not fat. Therefore, the pizza can't be the real reason I'm fat."


Or "They say I can't find a job because I didn't graduate from college. But Mark Zuckerberg didn't graduate from college, and he's rich. So not having a college degree can't be the reason I can't find a job."



I hope you see the logical fallacy in claiming the attributes of some random exception therefore "prove" anything about yourself.

It proves that being a scumbag does not stop you from getting P if you attractive .

It proves that a bad personality does not ultimately determine whether you can get P or not.

Wrong analogy. The right one will be : a lot of people claim that you can't be fit if you eat two pizza everyday. Incel just proved that you can eat pizza everyday (being a scumbag) and still get the P (be fit).

 

[badboys11]

The older I get the more I realize women invite trauma into their lives and use it to draw attention to themselves

 

[O³ (O cubed)]

Another thing I realize is that some cats in here are mixing up being handsome with being attractive.

 

[GreenGhxst]

we were raised by simps

wish we had ike to teach a master class

 

[CreepyMcCreeperson]

And yet there are millions of examples of unattractive men landing quality women. All of us know dozens of such examples from our own lives.

I'm maybe of average attractiveness. Not a smooth talker at all. No charisma. Not rich. And when I was single I was very slow to initiate anything and would almost never "shoot my shot".

Yet I married a far more attractive woman than myself, who was also highly intelligent, had a great career, and a great personality, who could have had her pick of any guy. And between school, work, and church, there were a few dozen other women I could have successfully pursued if I wasn't focused on her, some of whom made their availability known. Being deeply involved in church, passionate about social justice and Black empowerment, and successful at what I do in life was enough. The sort of women who I was interested in are the sort of women who are interested in passionate and honorable men. And there's honestly a lot more women looking for that sort of man than there are men for them to choose from.

I posted a picture in here once of one of the most beautiful woman I knew, and she's a college graduate who is fun to be around and great at what she does in life. The picture was a wedding photo and she married a straight nerd of average looks, who is basically just a really good guy who went to college with her and made it his business to go after her. My best male friend in college was a similar nerd, married a woman way more attractive than himself for some of the same reasons. I could keep going for a long time.


Of course, guys like me aren't going to appeal to every woman.....but MOST women have something they're looking for that isn't just looks. Maybe it's church, maybe it's money, maybe it's personality, maybe it's a shared hobby, maybe it's a shared life experience, maybe it's just someone who truly understands them or does the work to show how much they care about them.

When you realize that you don't need to attract "most women" or "the typical woman", but just need to land that ONE woman who fits you, life gets a lot easier.






My experience is that most women are able to become physically attracted to guys they like over time, even if they weren't at first. The objectively attractive guy has the advantage at the beginning, the unattractive guy has to more slowly work his way into her heart through other means and she begins to see him as physically attractive over time. Guys do the same thing - the women I had an emotional connection to were way more attractive to me than they would have been to some neutral third party.

Google “not attracted to boyfriend/husband”. A lot of those women love the way the man treats them, but secretly hate touching them. Society makes people feel guilty for wanting physical attraction, and women are told to take what they can get, and stop caring about butterflies. No, they do not develop attraction over time. They just tolerate a man they aren’t attracted to, because they didn’t want to be alone, and there are fewer attractive men to go around. And women do not experience pleasure every time they have sex like we do. So a lot of them suffer in silence.

Personally, I would not want a woman who didn’t find me attractive, but just likes my personality, and resources.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

No, they do not develop attraction over time. They just tolerate a man they aren’t attracted to, because they didn’t want to be alone, and there are fewer attractive men to go around.

The stats I already published say that 37% of men believe their partner is more attractive than them, and marriages where the woman is percieved as more attractive than the man are happier and more stable over the long run. So if women are just "tolerating" these men and can't develop attraction to them, how do you explain that?

I'm also struggling to see what your solution is to your claimed scenario.