In their prime, who's the stronger lyricist? Budden or Jadakiss

[904]

only young shallacks ever compared kiss to fab and banks

kiss a OG wen fab and banks was new kids on the block

since the beginning of time is wild, your clock is broke af

Man I've been on these boards going back to Sohh days

Kiss Vs Fab has been a consistent argument going back to then...

I've never seen Kiss seen as levels above Fab.. better sure but it's always a debate... Stop the bullshyt..

 

[L. Deezy]

This is one of those "This would only be asked on the internet" type questions

Kiss.

yooooooooooooooooooooo


I was just gonna type this. I guess Im a internet dude for the most part, but I would never ask this question to people outside the internet.

 

[The Dust King]

Why is his 1. I’ll give you that even tho it REALLY ain’t the same


Lemme guess, he’s a ‘internet rapper’. That’s what they used to call him —-15 years ago. You sound utterly ridiculous saying it now in 2023.



This is where you lose all credibility. I’ve said this in one of the many Nas-Jay debates. We are GROWN now. We ain’t on ‘sides’ like if one is great the other gotta be trash. Thinking Jada is better is a fine opinion but ‘he said a bunch of nonsense’ and bringing up 2k? Your mic is off you can’t talk rap to me.

Again, outdated comment. Especially when Jada’s resurgence happened during a pandemic when we were all “online”

the last paragraph made me laugh, appreciate that

kiss been a top 25 MC since he on a BIG album, a mase album and a jayz album.

he is east coast royalty.

pandemics aint got sh!t to do wit it and jadakiss didnt get a resurgence; he been elite.

only bad taste and stanning is why people chose dipset over dblock; and im quoting real life convos

the issue here is you really trying to compare WHY to whatever records joe got when kiss a blueprint MC.

hands down i have been more places than you, more shows, met more big artists etc

never has joe ever been brought up

again real life not the internet

its not a knock to like joe

its a knock to real life when a ngga say joe better than kiss tho

 

[The Dust King]

Man I've been on these boards going back to Sohh days

Kiss Vs Fab has been a consistent argument going back to then...

I've never seen Kiss seen as levels above Fab.. better sure but it's always a debate... Stop the bullshyt..

people debate all sorts of shyt on the internet; thas the point of this retort

yall are saying sh!t that is only heard online

 

[Braman]

the last paragraph made me laugh, appreciate that

kiss been a top 25 MC since he on a BIG album, a mase album and a jayz album.

he is east coast royalty.

pandemics aint got sh!t to do wit it and jadakiss didnt get a resurgence; he been elite.

only bad taste and stanning is why people chose dipset over dblock; and im quoting real life convos

the issue here is you really trying to compare WHY to whatever records joe got when kiss a blueprint MC.

Kiss has dropped Ignatius, T5DOA, and Last Kiss as his last 3 albums in the last 15 years ….and no one cared.

Forget Joe, your take is disrespectful to Styles, bc he’s the one been holding the flag for The Lox as far as actual music. This isn’t a question of talent. When Kiss name get brought up we talk about him as a spitter. Then the 2nd thing we says is this Ngga couldn’t make an album to save his life. This is about music. And Kiss’ music discography is TRASH. Basura! In real life, on the internet, Mars, in the metaverse, wherever fym

hands down i have been more places than you, more shows, met more big artists etc

never has joe ever been brought up

again real life not the internet

its not a knock to like joe

its a knock to real life when a ngga say joe better than kiss tho

Oh forreal scrap you got it killa

You and ya nggas posted up talking bout Ignatius huh. fukk outta here lmao

 

[The Dust King]

Kiss has dropped Ignatius, T5DOA, and Last Kiss as his last 3 albums in the last 15 years ….and no one cared.

i guarentee those albums sold and streamed infinitely more than any of joes

i checked RIAA and kiss came up GOLD in 2005

when i typed joe this came up

UNFORTUNATELY THAT SEARCH PRODUCED NO CERTIFICATIONS. PLEASE TRY ANOTHER SEARCH.

And Kiss’ music discography is TRASH. Basura! In real life, on the internet, Mars, in the metaverse, wherever fym

i mean you the one comparing joe discography to kiss

thas not my issue, in reality this is not the case and your opinion is fringe; its relegated to the internet

Oh forreal scrap you got it killa

You and ya nggas posted up talking bout Ignatius huh. fukk outta here lmao

i wasnt tryin to flex on you; im sayin i discussed hiphop far and wide no question

joe aint never been brought up ever, fans or other artists alike. due dilegence.

i been to a joe show in times sq; mostly white folk, seen kiss same venue and it was mostly black folk

same venue i seen tons of other artists and they fanbase didnt look like someone emptied out the burbs of nassau and suffolk

it is what it is

 

[Grand_Verbalizer]

Joe Budden was way better .... at convincing nerds that being long winded on the mic means you're killing shyt

 

[surv2syn]

Used to have voices in my head, that's cool
'Cause the boy still here well fed, that's true
Mean that since truth's all that I had, gotta carry that
When nothin' you propose or alter it, gotta marry that
How we interpret that merge is all relative
I stand behind every word, like we all relatives
Less made men, over a decade in
I'm from the days when lil' nikkas got they chest caved in (talk about it)
See I left home and sleepin' in parks was like a meltin' pot
Ain't DM an ex, it was dark baby and hell is hot
Black MPV was parked, used to yell it ock
Drive by, circle the block, check if he fell or not
Full of smokers in my Polo pull-over
The day a nikka' scared to be dolo and pulled over
'Cause they gats go ra-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta
Since I remember it all, I'm wantin' a flashback
Rest in peace Grandpa, I see him tilting his flask back
Our times kinda' the same, it's tough to grasp that
No code of honor and they conduct
Alarmin' because seein' grievin' mommas somber even Dalai Lama
Wish music was my escape
I was still naive, it was beautiful when this maze crucial to how we behaved
Just like concussion is brutal the way we slave
They don't tutor you to what it'll do to you at this stage, listen!
Fact sharing, I'm seein' no matter the scenes
'tween a rock and a heart places are bad pairin'
I'm paranoid, plenty buy a couple feet and shyt
Gettin' money is easy, the struggle's keepin' it
To all the hustlers in the world, whatever your muse is
Hustlin' music, or hustlin' excuses, live!
Some think too small, they can't vision it
Don't even bother hittin' my line, I'm transitionin'


yeah I can't see how nikkas saying it ain't close

Yooooo, Transition was cold af. One of Banks better tapes too. Him and Joe killed that track!

 

[Rembrandt]

he was NEVER considered miles above a Fab or a Banks or even a rapper closer to his weight class like Ransom

Bro what lmaoooo

Are we really saying fab can outrap Budden?

 

[Braman]

Two very different kinds of rappers.

If you want consistent top tier pure bars...Kiss.

If you want more range, better content, artist expression and song writing...Budden.

The things is on his best days Budden could do what Kiss does.

Kiss could never do what Budden does.

And don't cite "Feel Me " it sounded mid and forced which only proves my point.

I swear I was gon say this. PREACH

And to the other point about preferences , that’s the dead giveaway bc yea what reputable rap fan is gon say ‘nah I kinda don’t like to think I just want to hear metaphors’

 

[Braman]

Yooooo, Transition was cold af. One of Banks better tapes too. Him and Joe killed that track!

Don’t even bother hittin my line I’m transitioning Transitions is insane

And Banks is a perfect example of how peoples view of Budden is based on other shyt. Bc everybody respects Banks. You will rarely if ever hear people slander Banks.

Meanwhile Banks newer style of music, that dark emo introspection (FNO, LIU, COTI) is Budden’s style! And I love Banks but Budden perfected it better

 

[Braman]

Joe Budden is and was overrated as fukk in his era, he was NEVER considered miles above a Fab or a Banks or even a rapper closer to his weight class like Ransom,

As someone already mentioned, Fab does not have the depth or personal songs that Budden does. It’s telling if anyone thinks we’re talking just hot lines and sports metaphors

And I’m glad you mentioned Ransom. Ransom popped back up and new nggas regard him as one of the best lyricists

Ngga Ransom was Budden son. He was toyin with Ranson while dealing with legit hall of fame elites (Jay, Prodigy).

 

[Consigliere]

Fab is better than Buddens too.

Summertime Shootout Tapes
Soul Tapes
Guest verses

Other mixtapes that actually got okay in the street.

No one has ever pulled up next to a car and heard a Joe Budden song playing.

Never.

 

[Braman]

I’m convinced people just dislike him and don’t actually know how nice he is/was

There may be folk who legit never seen him in a room with Styles and Beans——STYLES P AND BEANIE SIGEL—-and he rapped nggas under the table. If you just dropped on planet earth and listened to all 3 of them right there you’d hear Budden and say who tf is THAT pause. If you don’t like Budden just say that but PLEASE do not tell me you’re a fan of this shyt we call rap and tell me this he ain’t nice.

 

[NZA]

the fact that this is even being asked is baffling to me