In light of all the 2Pac and Biggie Murder threads and discussions of late--> Long Kiss Goodnight

[LandryFieldsDad]

link?

altho this is prolly true

Mark curry talked about it a lot in his book about puff dancing with the devil

I read something on here too recently I'll try and find a link

 

[King Poetic]

Look .......seriously Puffy Dumbass thought everything was cool cause pac was dead, surge in jail and the Southside crips would take care of him and big when they came back out here, plus he thought the Fed's will still be watching bad boy cause they was still investigating pac murder and the rumors flying around here that the snitches was saying bad boy and Southside was involved...

Puffy failed to realised that MOB has other allies that hate the Southside crips like lueders park, elm street, holly hood, etc.... and also had love for pac and would definitely smashed on him and anyone associated with bad boy

 

[L $ C]

Mark curry talked about it a lot in his book about puff dancing with the devil

I read something on here too recently I'll try and find a link

is this book or is it



like i know the whole story and i had his mixtape actuly n some stories about puf fbut never acutuly read it?

 

[LandryFieldsDad]

is this book or is it



like i know the whole story and i had his mixtape actuly n some stories about puf fbut never acutuly read it?

Great book.
I'm sure some of it is him being bitter but I believe it

 

[Bigsuk]

this



this is the one thing i dont rly get....if he rly did it and they rly knew that why would no one touch him like that? anyone can get got

Thing is noone riding for pac 20 years after his death b , shyts over and done with ..remember soon as pac was shot the day after mob/ lpp/elm street/fruits vs sscc/kpcc/nhcc/adcc went to war with each other all mobs affailtes and all sscc affailtes backing each other 15 shootings cracked off everyday for about 10 days til compton pd got involoved and the raids happend couple crips and bloods got killed as a result .... Then big red had biggie killed as an eye for an eye with puffy theres nothing more that has to happen ... Its fukked up big got kiiled over puffy stupid actions tho.... Remeber everyone involoved in pacs death is dead apart from keffe dee .... Poochie dead , suge in jail , thresea swann protected ..... shyts fukked up seems puffy really has got away with shyt ... Its good tho that murder rap has gotten the media atttetion it should get ... Get nikkas to keep it talking puffy cant get away from it for ever , ive seen interviews wen interviwers bring up pac n big and puffy is litrally on the edge ov his seat squrming for them to change the subject ... nikka clearly has something to hide ...

 

[Bigsuk]

And tbh, Pac was trying to end the mans career and livelihood and stated clearly he wouldn't be done until Biggie, Diddy and Bad Boy were out of the game...and he was throwing mad lowblows with Faith and Misa...so to me it was fair game ...that beef had gone waaay past rap and having boundaries whilst Pac was alive

Once you start trying to fucc niccas wives and babymoms there is no fair sh1t to the beef anymore...anything goes from then on imo

I honestly feel from an unbias point ov view alot ov nikkas in the game were sick ov pacs beefing it had gone way over the line /over board just noone had the heart to say it to his face cause it wouldnt be met with a great response....... Am a keep it real it did cause alot ov division within hiphop at that time .... I understand pacs anger and frustation at certain nikkas on the east but he was going way over board to the point he couldnt stop it going out ov control ....... I wish (and i get alot ov stick for saying this ) pac had focused his energy more on his number 1 real enimie ( you know the nikka who actully had pac shot /robbed ) instead ov focusing on the food which was biggie n puffy .... He went the whole year without mentionng henchman until againest all odds .... Pac had suge backing him he shoud have focused anything he could have to make henchman a fool .... Am not saying pac was scared ov hench but he deffo was wary ov him otherwise he wouldnt ov chose the easy targets instead real talk.....

 

[Bigsuk]

Nah. The I aint mad at you line should prove it was done after he died. Sure the song was on AEOM but the video/single didn't drop until after Pac died and the song wasn't nearly as big until then. Even Dame Dash admits that Jay dissed Pac after he died, it shouldn't be that hard to believe that Biggie did as well. Even if we take all of these arguments into consideration, he still went to LA and performed it. Thus, he dissed him while he was dead, what's the difference?

Yeah i heard about the jay -z 1 , as far as biggie that whole sway interview/freestyle was disrespectful as fukk I know biggie stil felt some kinda way about pac ... Hell i feel alot ov nikkas in hiphop felt some kinda way about pac his erratic behavior in 96 was abit over the top .. But once a nikkas dead thats it let that shyt go but i guess some nikkas have a hard time doing that ..... Thing is from all accounts badboy were not welcome in cali ... Its like what that nikka doug young said in an interview the radio interviewers etc were giving biggie and badboy a false sense ov secruity telling them its all love out here love my ass had they gone to someone who wouldnt dikkride and be real with them n tell them to tone down what they doing maybe they would have stopped and thinked .. ... Instead there were prancing around l.a like nothing ....

 

[Bigsuk]

This isn't true.

Holla at me was on AEOM which was recorded in 2 weeks (October), Stretch was alive. And if you see some of the words Pac used towards Stretch it would indicate Stretch alive;

"I lost respect for ya, nikka
We can never be friends
I know I'm runnin' through your head now
What could you do?"

"I let the world know, nikka, you a coward
Ya could never be live
Until you die"

And Against All Odds is hardly shytting on a dead man, all he said was he switched sides and his new friends wanted him dead. I find it funny that Big fans try to use this and say it equates to shyt like "you rest where the worms in the weak be" or "you bleed lovely with your spirit above me".

Thats the thing with the lines on "againest all odds " i never understood what pac meant wen he was saying that about stretch .... Its as if pac is implying jack/ tut/henchman etc had stretch killled or sum shyt.... From my understanding stretch was killled cause he stole a bunch ov kees from some big drug dealer and wouldnt give them back so a hit was place on his head .....

 

[Clapsteel O'Neal]

Yeah i heard about the jay -z 1 , as far as biggie that whole sway interview/freestyle was disrespectful as fukk I know biggie stil felt some kinda way about pac ... Hell i feel alot ov nikkas in hiphop felt some kinda way about pac his erratic behavior in 96 was abit over the top .. But once a nikkas dead thats it let that shyt go but i guess some nikkas have a hard time doing that ..... Thing is from all accounts badboy were not welcome in cali ... Its like what that nikka doug young said in an interview the radio interviewers etc were giving biggie and badboy a false sense ov secruity telling them its all love out here love my ass had they gone to someone who wouldnt dikkride and be real with them n tell them to tone down what they doing maybe they would have stopped and thinked .. ... Instead there were prancing around l.a like nothing ....

Sway and Ed Lover did warn Biggie to chill the fucc out though...but Biggie still got too comfy and thought sh1t was all good smh. Did you know puffy skimped on getting bulletproof rentals?

 

[Bigsuk]

big was gonna drop a diss track towards pac on life after death.. dead or alive

he wasn't scared, but he was gonna respond on his time (just like nas did jay)

he had a lot of built up anger over the situation...dissing his wife, threatening his children, and overall just being a nuisance

he had to get it off his chest

to do the freestyle in LA was just tho. not wise

at the end of the day, biggie hated pac's guts and never forgive him for the way he was acting

I been saying this yonks back ... Am a big fan ov pac n big . I perfer pacs music over bigs ... But am unbias wen it comes to this little back n fourth... pac was doing anything he could to discredit biggie and i agree I think biggie and a few others were just getting bord n anoyed by pacs behavior i understand pac had beef with biggie over some loyalty issues but the way pac was going at big nikkas would think biggie set up pacs 94 shooting i didnt really respect that part about pac ... I personally feel instead ov going after some easy target like biggie he should have focused more energy to henchman .... But i truly dont feel pac was ready to deal with what henchman would bring to him if he went at henchman the way he went at biggie cause it wouldnt be no rap shyt pac would have an even bigger target on his back it wouldnt be none ov this loosing his secruity on some clowning shyt would need them at all times thats why he went at biggie cause he knew he would get away with it ...

 

[Bigsuk]

Sway and Ed Lover did warn Biggie to chill the fucc out though...but Biggie still got too comfy and thought sh1t was all good smh. Did you know puffy skimped on getting bulletproof rentals?

Again puffy an idiot ... Puffy n biggie thought cause pac was dead and suge was locked nothing was gona happen, they had settled any rap beefs they had .... Had sscc if they needed they felt on top and purly underestimated what was gona happen ....... Even the night big got chipped keffe dee asked if they needed any back up cause he seen deathrow pirus there n puffy said they were cool n didnt need it puffys arrogance was unreal back then....

 

[Bigsuk]

True. And in a way Pac had legit reasons to act that way because at that point the bloods were really his boys plus suge bailing him out and also the whole rumored bounty thing.

Big on the other hand just was rubbing salt in the wounds just because he thought he could off his crip connects.

I kinda disagree .. They were pacs homies yeah .. But they were real gangbangers from a young age , pac wasnt he only started been deeply affaited with them since what the age ov 24 ...... Pac clearly didnt fullly understand gang-politics you cant just tee off on a rival with strips n think its all good..... Pac should have distanced himself from the mob vs sscc beef even mob told him to fall back but as usual pac been pac had to learn things the hard way but sadly this time he wouldnt be able to reflect on his actions that time.....

 

[L $ C]

I honestly feel from an unbias point ov view alot ov nikkas in the game were sick ov pacs beefing it had gone way over the line /over board just noone had the heart to say it to his face cause it wouldnt be met with a great response....... Am a keep it real it did cause alot ov division within hiphop at that time .... I understand pacs anger and frustation at certain nikkas on the east but he was going way over board to the point he couldnt stop it going out ov control ....... I wish (and i get alot ov stick for saying this ) pac had focused his energy more on his number 1 real enimie ( you know the nikka who actully had pac shot /robbed ) instead ov focusing on the food which was biggie n puffy .... He went the whole year without mentionng henchman until againest all odds .... Pac had suge backing him he shoud have focused anything he could have to make henchman a fool .... Am not saying pac was scared ov hench but he deffo was wary ov him otherwise he wouldnt ov chose the easy targets instead real talk.....

swan was a fake name correct...

 

[Knicksman20]

link?

altho this is prolly true

I've read & seen interviews that Big didn't wanna be there. Puff pretty much forced him to promote the album there in LA.

Edit - If I remember off hand one of the videos I saw someone saying this was Easy Mo Bee but I don't remember which one

 

[Bigsuk]

swan was a fake name correct...

Yeah apprently her real name is tammy hawkins ... Ive seen pics ov her she a fine athletic built chick ... Apprently loyal as fukk to suge ... Suge knew how to pick em ......