In light of all the 2Pac and Biggie Murder threads and discussions of late--> Long Kiss Goodnight

[kingofnyc]

Nas didn't benefit in anyway from Biggies death. If anything, Nas would have gained more from him being alive especially if Big would have went full out shinny suit mode that came in full blown that he helped father. Big would have caught so much heat.

at BIG inna shinny suit - u nas stan are hilarious
yall act like your man was hip hop 'holier than tho'
yet forget that puff had this nikka inna shinny suit

 

[King Poetic]

Nice Diss, but also dumb ass hell to come back to cali right after pac died

It's like biggie forgot he had guns to his face after dissing E 40 in cali

And now u come back to the same state after pac getting killed

Should have listen to mama instead of puff...

 

[Enzo]

Maniacs..put my name in raps... ...what part of the game is that
"Like they hustle backwards"



Like the other poster said, Big messed up going to Cali and trying to be on his Suge shyt in Suge's town. Should have stayed on that smooth gangster shyt and left the tough talk behind the scenes and in subliminals. This song is amazing IMO. a 10/10. (Insert obligatory People who would want to take away from the song because of someone passing don't understand art BS ) But nah, why would Big even have to speak on anything to the public. Who are we as the masses to want to know what's going on with beef between two grown men? Man, the media and the distributors really the ones who ate off this which I'll get into in a minute but as far as the track. Between this and Who Shot Ya, Big and Puff were doing what they had to so that it was known without it having to be known? Hold up hear me out.


The work that was being put in behind the scenes was too real for people to just be yapping which is what I feel Pac's biggest mistake was. Had he stayed on his destined path, who knows what may have happened... After catching that case, he took on this Machiavellian scorched earth ideal and went out with a blaze of glory. But what could he do, son was rotting in jail with no one to pay his bail. That was $1million back then I think, and Suge paid that for him in exchange for what, 6 albums, IDK, he was recording like crazy lol.. (compare to Bobby Shmurda asking for $2 mil today. You don't think Martin Skhreli was trying to Suge Knight him?)


So anyway, you have Pac who got shot, caught a charge, signed to Deathrow and the music he is putting out is amazing. Double album fresh out of jail. California Love is the hottest song out. Dudes are selling records. Now record sales and tours and shows become more and more competitive and the media is out here fanning the flames like crazy trying to sell some prints. And what kind of record label is gonna be able to maintain those sales? The Bad Boy school of thought or the Deathrow school of thought?



I look at the rap business and don't get what some of you posters are criticizing. These dudes job are to put out records. That's it. All that other stuff was their personal business and dudes out here taking sides like cheerleaders.. Now wait, I'm not saying don't stan for either one but do you even understand how crime works? The way some of y'all expect people to move is amazing.

Puff and them always said bad boys move in silence and I'm sure that's how he is still getting money today! I know rap is entertainment, but it revolves around money and power right, so I look at it two ways. If you're bossing up, you're either on your Diddy or on your Suge Knight , two very different business methods. If you're blessed to coach a great, similar to a Big or a Pac, you can go with either school of learning and you're gonna win cause you have a great, but when you look at them in present day (20 years later), you should understand that you have to move like Puff if you wanna survive in the business. Puff always handled his behind closed doors, which is where most business really gets done.
I can't say too much because, like most things being said, it's all hearsay and gangsta stories that I've heard from other forums. But, putting the pieces together, it's just another American crime story. 30 years from now when the Combs family are a 2nd or 3rd generation liquor distribution brand like the Kennedys, that's when we can see if Diddy is really on his Frank Underwood.

But until then, he is still the last one laughing.

Long Kiss...



Edit: Didn't realize how much I wrote LMAOOOO. I need to get my work started.

 

[Vic Damone]

Maniacs..put my name in raps... ...what part of the game is that
"Like they hustle backwards"



Like the other poster said, Big messed up going to Cali and trying to be on his Suge shyt in Suge's town. Should have stayed on that smooth gangster shyt and left the tough talk behind the scenes and in subliminals. This song is amazing IMO. a 10/10. (Insert obligatory People who would want to take away from the song because of someone passing don't understand art BS ) But nah, why would Big even have to speak on anything to the public. Who are we as the masses to want to know what's going on with beef between two grown men? Man, the media and the distributors really the ones who ate off this which I'll get into in a minute but as far as the track. Between this and Who Shot Ya, Big and Puff were doing what they had to so that it was known without it having to be known? Hold up hear me out.


The work that was being put in behind the scenes was too real for people to just be yapping which is what I feel Pac's biggest mistake was. Had he stayed on his destined path, who knows what may have happened... After catching that case, he took on this Machiavellian scorched earth ideal and went out with a blaze of glory. But what could he do, son was rotting in jail with no one to pay his bail. That was $1million back then I think, and Suge paid that for him in exchange for what, 6 albums, IDK, he was recording like crazy lol.. (compare to Bobby Shmurda asking for $2 mil today. You don't think Martin Skhreli was trying to Suge Knight him?)


So anyway, you have Pac who got shot, caught a charge, signed to Deathrow and the music he is putting out is amazing. Double album fresh out of jail. California Love is the hottest song out. Dudes are selling records. Now record sales and tours and shows become more and more competitive and the media is out here fanning the flames like crazy trying to sell some prints. And what kind of record label is gonna be able to maintain those sales? The Bad Boy school of thought or the Deathrow school of thought?



I look at the rap business and don't get what some of you posters are criticizing. These dudes job are to put out records. That's it. All that other stuff was their personal business and dudes out here taking sides like cheerleaders.. Now wait, I'm not saying don't stan for either one but do you even understand how crime works? The way some of y'all expect people to move is amazing.

Puff and them always said bad boys move in silence and I'm sure that's how he is still getting money today! I know rap is entertainment, but it revolves around money and power right, so I look at it two ways. If you're bossing up, you're either on your Diddy or on your Suge Knight , two very different business methods. If you're blessed to coach a great, similar to a Big or a Pac, you can go with either school of learning and you're gonna win cause you have a great, but when you look at them in present day (20 years later), you should understand that you have to move like Puff if you wanna survive in the business. Puff always handled his behind closed doors, which is where most business really gets done.
I can't say too much because, like most things being said, it's all hearsay and gangsta stories that I've heard from other forums. But, putting the pieces together, it's just another American crime story. 30 years from now when the Combs family are a 2nd or 3rd generation liquor distribution brand like the Kennedys, that's when we can see if Diddy is really on his Frank Underwood.

But until then, he is still the last one laughing.

Long Kiss...



Edit: Didn't realize how much I wrote LMAOOOO. I need to get my work started.

Cliff notes please?

 

[Still Benefited]

nah I mean i know it was about pac and quad studios and then hit em up


this shyt just so much deeper than we all thoguht around 2000, so much more stuff came to light

Murder Rap shows us it may not be much deeper,,to protect the pureness of hiphop people like to say "This happened over street beef,not rap beef"....Which is really just one big copout and possibly a straight lie.

If it was about some Suge and Puff shyt,Suge or Puff would be dead....Its a reason the two rappers are dead,but maybe people just don't want to acknowledge that fact.

We've only heard how much Suge hated Puff and vowed revenge on some movie shyt,when people was coming up with these theories...so people run with that.

Doesn't seem like he hates Puff anymore than he hated Snoop,and definitely not Dre.

SUge might be the Jesus Christ of hiphop if you think about it,you could say Pac doubles as both god,and John the Baptist

 

[scarhead]

Big strutting around in Cali and spitting that freestyle on Sway is more or less the same thing as Pac stepping to Orlando Anderson and dropping him.

Say what you want about Pac not knowing how streets operate and how he gassed up he was off of that blood affiliation, Big was as equally naive and gassed up off his crip connects. And both are my fav MCs.

Big stans will ignore this though

 

[L $ C]

Big strutting around in Cali and spitting that freestyle on Sway is more or less the same thing as Pac stepping to Orlando Anderson and dropping him.

Say what you want about Pac not knowing how streets operate and how he gassed up he was off of that blood affiliation, Big was as equally naive and gassed up off his crip connects. And both are my fav MCs.

Big stans will ignore this though

but what makes it worse is that pac's poor decision was heat of the moment, BIGs poor decision was over days where he could have decided otherwise

 

[Wacky D]

whos that?


this comment sucks so much ya keyboard didnt even let you type it dumbass

i thought he was talking about pacewon when i first read it.

 

[LandryFieldsDad]

Exactly. Dumbass bodied himself rather than just doing his album promo, the award show and taking his ass home. Just because Pac/Suge were gone doesn't mean that them goons were gonna fall back.

Not that it matters but diddy kept dragging him all over California. Everyone said big wanted to leave

 

[Nomad1]

Not that it matters but diddy kept dragging him all over California. Everyone said big wanted to leave

so basically biggie was pdiddy's bytch? And Big haters have the audacity to say that Pac was suge's bytch

 

[scarhead]

but what makes it worse is that pac's poor decision was heat of the moment, BIGs poor decision was over days where he could have decided otherwise

True. And in a way Pac had legit reasons to act that way because at that point the bloods were really his boys plus suge bailing him out and also the whole rumored bounty thing.

Big on the other hand just was rubbing salt in the wounds just because he thought he could off his crip connects.

 

[LandryFieldsDad]

so basically biggie was pdiddy's bytch? And Big haters have the audacity to say that Pac was suge's bytch

I don't hate pac

I wish they were both still alive

 

[Harry B]

Nas didn't benefit in anyway from Biggies death. If anything, Nas would have gained more from him being alive especially if Big would have went full out shinny suit mode that came in full blown that he helped father. Big would have caught so much heat.

Nas was the shiniest of them all after Big passed

 

[L $ C]

Not that it matters but diddy kept dragging him all over California. Everyone said big wanted to leave

link?

altho this is prolly true

 

[Ol’Otis]

This interview I just listened to you can tell pac was a darker more menacing person

But I doubt he wanted big dead he wanted his attention and failed to get it that's why on the don killuminati album he set his sights on henchman and Haitian jack