In France: Male Arabs Upset Over Female Arabs Dating Blacks (Haters Gon Hate)

[Bawon Samedi]

I didn't put words in your mouth.

You did when you said this:
"just wanted bring up a stupid counter point of black men getting women of different races for centuries after@@cocoette mentioned how Arab men had African women as slaves."

No I was addressing when cocoette said this:
"yes the admixture is even higher than ones between whites-blacks
the majority of these mixtures were between berber/arab men and their african slave women you know."

She had the same problem most people have when differeinating blacks from Berbers. Berber is just a language group. But anyways I went on to say that it was mostly African men(Berbers) having white female slaves. Which is why I brought up North African Y-DNA in the first place. Why? Because it would tell us in a way who were the enslavers. If it were mostly Arabs having African females then you would see modern day male Y-DNA in North Africans being mostly Middle Eastern, but that's not the case, since African E-81 is around 80% + in North Africa. Thats why I said African slaves were low on the list and Arabs enslaving Africans/blacks is sometimes exaggerated. Arabs having black slaves in large numbers didn't come until the 19th century.

@cococette said the the majority of mixture in a North Africa??

I meant she said that the "mixtures were between berber/arab men and their African slave women." Which is only part true.

(she didn't mention a specific region) was from Arab men and African/black slaves, you then brought up stats from the Medieval time period, and how the North African "look" came from African men mixing with Slavic women. What did one have to do with the other? Of course Africans wouldn't have much Arab DNA, but some Arabs would have some African DNA.

She could have meant Arabs buying slave women from the Swahili coast and bringing them to Arabia. If she meant North Africa then she is incorrect.

As for why I bought up modern day North Africans being the result of African men and European women, it was just to further back up my argument. With African men having non black slaves then the other way around which is non blacks(prior to the 19th century) having lots of Africans slaves when again African slaves were low on the list.

 

[Chris.B]

LOL this dumbass is from a country that ran the entire Islamic empire and had slaves themselves talking about he's not gonna ever cape bc of his pride lolol fukking idiot

from?

USA took part in those?
Caping for sand nikkas? fukk no

 

[pike]

The main problem is getting all black people willing to help one another. Also there is the problem of the c00ns and house nikkas.

and the negro bedwenches

 

[Black Nate Grey]

Nobody caped for the arab slave trade... shyt is a reality. Yes there are still slaves in Mauritania and etc... but it isn't "Arabs" as you guys put it.. it's non muslims being enslaved by misguided people who call themselves muslims period. It wasn't race based...Africa was never a monolith... you had non muslims enslaving non muslims as well and etc. Arabians were enslaving their own and everyone else before Islam and after Islam many Islamic converts took prisoners of war... those that you all refer to as slaves. It wasn't until much later that those arabized people who were united my religion and language went on to continue to conquer and enslave more south and nont follow the tenets of Islam. You make it seem like most of the enslavers did not look Identical to those being enslaved... Islam in Africa is almost as old as Islam in Arabia... The DNA chart actually proves that the Muslims were actually intermarrying not just enslaving. You keep buying the bullshyt that's being perptuated to shirk a lot of the blame from Europeans on to Muslims but the science doesn't lie. Arab isn't a race and that's where most of the confusion lies you're thinking of Some Saudi cats enslaving people and selling them but that's not the case they didn't have the strength in numbers... the converts did.

K this is my serious reply:

"it's non muslims being enslaved by misguided people who call themselves muslims period"
Word for word what white people say about the slave trade, replace Muslim with Christian.

"It wasn't race based"
Bruh....

"Arabians were enslaving their own and everyone else before Islam and after Islam many Islamic converts took prisoners of war"
Again this is what cacs say to justify slavery.

"The DNA chart actually proves that the Muslims were actually intermarrying not just enslaving"
Same shyt happened in America

"You keep buying the bullshyt that's being perptuated to shirk a lot of the blame from Europeans on to Muslims but the science doesn't lie"
Word. For. Word.

@Chesirecatdaddy I'm a fan of your posts and 99% of the time I agree with you but you just hit the 1% so don't take my replies as a personal attack.

How black slaves in America and in the Arab world were treated makes no difference to me, they enslaved my people and any attempt to justify or explain away what happened should be struck down.

You said you were half morrocan (or something) so I empathize with any feeling of conflicted loyalty.

I however am not mixed, I have no conflicting loyalties these people oppressed my own and the treatment that CACS get is the same treatment that Arabs get.

Whites enslaved us
Arabs enslaved us
All that's left is for the Asians to disappoint me


Black people have no friends in this world
Not back then
and certainly not now.

 

[Thatrogueassdiaz]

*fixed

Wait what? I'm still in the class, so why would I put the linking verb in the past tense?

 

[Chesirecatdaddy]

K this is my serious reply:

"it's non muslims being enslaved by misguided people who call themselves muslims period"
Word for word what white people say about the slave trade, replace Muslim with Christian.

"It wasn't race based"
Bruh....

"Arabians were enslaving their own and everyone else before Islam and after Islam many Islamic converts took prisoners of war"
Again this is what cacs say to justify slavery.

"The DNA chart actually proves that the Muslims were actually intermarrying not just enslaving"
Same shyt happened in America

"You keep buying the bullshyt that's being perptuated to shirk a lot of the blame from Europeans on to Muslims but the science doesn't lie"
Word. For. Word.

@Chesirecatdaddy I'm a fan of your posts and 99% of the time I agree with you but you just hit the 1% so don't take my replies as a personal attack.

How black slaves in America and in the Arab world were treated makes no difference to me, they enslaved my people and any attempt to justify or explain away what happened should be struck down.

You said you were half morrocan (or something) so I empathize with any feeling of conflicted loyalty.

I however am not mixed, I have no conflicting loyalties these people oppressed my own and the treatment that CACS get is the same treatment that Arabs get.

Whites enslaved us
Arabs enslaved us
All that's left is for the Asians to disappoint me


Black people have no friends in this world
Not back then
and certainly not now.

Sorry but you didn't refute shyt... you just repeated the same shyt over and over... "this is what cacs" say.

Arab isn't a race bc it's not... non muslims were enslaved by muslims .. not because of race... That's jsut the truth. You act like there were innocents in this slavery shyt when there really weren't any. Blacks enslaved blacks and whites, people from the arabian peninsula enslaved blacks and whites... Blacks went from the swahili coast to the arabian peninsula and mean while people as far as from mali were asking for slavic european white conubines. You're making shyt all simplistic and it's deeper than the shyt you're spitting.

Your answer for me saying it wasn't race based was "bruh".... good job

Same shyt happened in America? No what happened in America was rape and people hiding their race if they were light enough.. intermarrying slaves on a massive scale didn't happen.

If that's all you got and that's your last post then goodbye because you came with nothing.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Also I hope no one is confusing me of being a Arab/Islamic apologist because I'm not.

Its just that some people have this idea that Africans were getting slapped throughout history by different groups when that was not always the case. Arabs couldn't just come in and enslave Africans because there were already far too many powerful African empires/kingdoms/states like Ghana, Mali, Songhai, Kanem, Ethiopia and even Christian Nubia. Thats why Arabs had to purchase African slaves from other African Muslims. Again it isn't until the 19th century that you see Arabs having more black slaves compared to white slaves.

Trust me Arabs couldn't just penetrate into Africa, because when they did this happened.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Battle_of_Dongola
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Dongola

 

[Chesirecatdaddy]

from?

USA took part in those?
Caping for sand nikkas? fukk no

Oh first your Ghanian and when I bring up slavery now you're just a redblooded american ?... fukkouttahere

 

[Black Nate Grey]

That's what kills me the most about these groupies I have friends from Mali Niger chad etc even they won't sugar coat the relationship between them and their Arab identified Berber neighbours

I was waiting for a post like this.
Why the fukk we call them African when they never want to identify as African?
Black people take in mixed kids, who don't want to identify as black.
Africans who don't want to identify as Africans.

Our kindness and forgiving nature is the death of us.

 

[Crakface]

Funny how yo come into a thread and start on page 7 realizing that it has nothing to do with the topic.

 

[Chris.B]

Oh first your Ghanian and when I bring up slavery now you're just a redblooded american ?... fukkouttahere

I have been saying forever since I joined this site...I'm a second generation Ghanaian....The only liar here is you.
Everyone knows

 

[Chesirecatdaddy]

Also I hope no one is confusing me of being a Arab/Islamic apologist because I'm not.

Its just that some people have this idea that Africans were getting slapped throughout history by different groups when that was not always the case. Arabs couldn't just come in and enslave Africans because there were already far too many powerful African empires/kingdoms/states like Ghana, Mali, Songhai, Kanem, Ethiopia and even Christian Nubia. Thats why Arabs had to purchase African slaves from other African Muslims. Again it isn't until the 19th century that you see Arabs having more black slaves compared to white slaves.

Trust me Arabs couldn't just penetrate into Africa, because when they did this happened.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Battle_of_Dongola
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Dongola

Exactly my fukking point ... nobody is caping for slavery... but shyt was a part of life and some of the people doing the enslaving were black muslim and non muslim alike... that's what I don't get

These dudes using the Arab misnomer but many of these "arabs" were black themselves. There's a lot of guilty parties but you're placing the responsibility squarely on some people that share the same name but actually aren't who you think they are.

 

[Chesirecatdaddy]

That's what kills me the most about these groupies I have friends from Mali Niger chad etc even they won't sugar coat the relationship between them and their Arab identified Berber neighbours

Did your friends from Mali tell you that they ran the Caliphate and therefore also were involved? Did your friends from Niger tell you that their ancestors were part of the Fatimid dynasty and settle d in and created Niger?

Yeah you know someone that knows somebody... that doesn't know shyt.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Exactly my fukking point ... nobody is caping for slavery... but shyt was a part of life and some of the people doing the enslaving were black muslim and non muslim alike... that's what I don't get

These dudes using the Arab misnomer but many of these "arabs" were black themselves. There's a lot of guilty parties but you're placing the responsibility squarely on some people that share the same name but actually aren't who you think they are.

Slavery has existed since classical times(no way am I condoning slavery), but the fact is that it wasn't until the Atlantic slave trade that slavery became racialized. If I remember correctly that made it more unstable. The Rome was a big slave society. Yet the white Romans saw their Northern European bretherns as inferiors, while they saw Africans like Nubians as superior than their Northern European bretherns. Heck the Romans employed many Nubian moors into their army. So you see it wasn't until the Atlantic slave trade that slavery became racialized. Some people have to understand that.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Did your friends from Mali tell you that they ran the Caliphate and therefore also were involved? Did your friends from Niger tell you that their ancestors were part of the Fatimid dynasty and settle d in and created Niger?

Yeah you know someone that knows somebody... that doesn't know shyt.

Don't forget that Berbers were under the thumb of rulers of Mali and other Western Sudanic(Upper West Africa) empires. Also there are many sources that says many Western Sudanese made up large amounts of armed soldiers in the caliphate.