How do immigration issues affecting black immigrants affect black native born Americans?
Immigration is Very Much A Black Issue
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I wonder how much of the anti immigrant sentiment among the AADOS community is hate. Are you of the opinion that anyone who doesn't want more immigrants must hate them?
Well lately it has been framed as such. Like this @TK'm guy spouting white supremacists talking points about intentional displacement. How is that any different than tiki torch whites talking about "Jews will not replace us" or "They will not replace us"
Look, I have no problem with AADOS looking out for the interests of it's community, but all the immigrant bashing is not going to address the real systematic racial issues facing the community and if we are honest, the dysfunctions that are a result of hundreds of years of oppression.
Those problems will need to be addressed with or without immigration. Good luck having it addressed politically at least, in a country that is 80% - 90% cac like it was for most of the history of this country.
What's really concerning is this zero sum mentality that says gains by black immigrants is at the expense of AADOS. That sounds like some hating ass shyt to me.
What i'm optimistic about is I feel these is a small group of very loud voices and the rest of the diaspora doesn't take this posture.
T'krm
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Listen,as a proud AAdos,understand there is nothing in existence someone from an outside group, especially one who's livelihood, if not survival has depended upon my ppl's good will,and generosity, can do to shame me!
What is 'shameful' however is the blatant entitlement those like look you seem to wield over AAdos,especially with rather gross ideas like:
AAdos be the only group world not able to exercise agency over determining agenda, independent of all else,
AAdos being the only group in the world to rubber stamp any, and all ppl on the sole basis of race, w/o question,and ability to first vet and discern intent.
AAdos community not possess right to have needs addressed and placed first; only acting in ways that are advantageous to others, even if proven to detrimental, and or non-beneficial.
AAdos community, notwithstanding all it has done,by proving in showing help to others, have loyalty questioned around every turn, condescended to, worst--lambasted with ugly terms, and profoundly historically inaccurate accusations of: xenophobia, divisiveness, being hate-filled, and in search of scapegoats to justify collective failures, when simple reciprocity is anticipated.....
This is behavior is not only shameful....it is violent!!!
And should be the furthest thing expected from a so-called 'ally!
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Ya' Cousin Cleon
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they don’t
but just because they don’t directly affect us doesn’t mean they’re not problems worth highlighting and fighting against
but just because they don’t directly affect us doesn’t mean they’re not problems worth highlighting and fighting against
So we agree that the premise of the article is dead wrong
Thanks for playijng
Ya' Cousin Cleon
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last time I checked they’re still black people facing injustices
so no, the writer nor the article isn’t wrong
your framing of said question is faulty
so no, the writer nor the article isn’t wrong
your framing of said question is faulty
So we agree that the premise of the article is dead wrong
Thanks for playijng
I've seen some of that too. I still have to wonder how prominent that feeling is. And also how genuine. For the record, I don't hate anyone. Not even "cacs" haha.
Interesting choice of words. What is it about that phrase that you disagree with? Do you think there is no displacement by those who determine immigration policy? Or that it isn't intentional?
Even if AADOS conclude more immigration isn't in our best interest?
I don't think AADOS perceive immigration a "systematic racial issue", but some of us do perceive it as something that isn't in our interest.
I don't think AADOS need immigrants, if that's what you're saying.
There are some areas that are indeed a zero sum game. School admissions, for instance. There are only a certain amount of seats. If schools decide to allocate x amount of seats to...Well, I'll let the Grio say it:
"With increased immigration from Africa and the Caribbean, you now have Nigerians, Ghanaians, Jamaicans, and other nationalities all competing with native born African-Americans. And colleges and universities, for the most part, aren’t reporting on the numbers. “We do not differentiate among African-American students according to their national backgrounds, nor could we as there is no question on the common application that asks this question,” said Brenzel.
Back in 2007, African students constituted nearly 40 percent of the black students admitted to Ivy League schools. Why is that troubling for African-American students? It’s not that African-American students begrudge African and Caribbean students for their success, but their admittance often gives opponents of affirmative action an argument that racism is no longer an obstacle, simply because of their success."
Harvard has more black students than ever, but are they African-American? - theGrio
It seems to me, us AADOS and black immigrants have competing interests at least in some cases.
That is your prerogative, but at the same time, don't try to shame other AADOS who do empathize with those being targeted by racist right wing cacs.
If it were me, I would take a long pause if I found myself on the same side of an issue with white racists who have been the traditional enemy of AADOS. I would not be supporting their ultimate goal, however unlikely it seems at the moment, of creating white ethno states in the west.....No matter what small differences I may have with other black people.
Cut your nose to spite your face, faux militant brehs.
Black Americans and black immigrants face very different issues. It's not reasonable to demand that Black Americans subvert their own interests to help black immigrants because "they're both black".
How about the Democrats represent the interests of the black Americans that vote for them over the immigrants who can't? That seems more straightforward than crowdsourcing black support for anti-black policies through the mirage of intersectionality and guilt.
How is prioritizing one's own interests cutting their nose to spite one's face
AADOS are tired of the okey doke. DNC workers cannot explain how their pro immigrant push helps AADOSs', so you have to resort to intersectionality, playing the WS boogeyman card, and when all else fails flat out insulting them.
DNC would have it so much easier if it represented the interests of its current voting blocs rather than its potential future ones. The more the DNC puts immigrants ahead of Americans the more support they will lose.
No thanks 
Ya' Cousin Cleon
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It’s not about subverting
there’s no such thing as a single issue struggle
how about building coalitions and movements outside of the Democratic Party who’s sole interest is protecting capital; so that we as a people don’t have to solely rely on electoral politics to improve the material conditions of both marginalized people.
there’s more to politics that people should have to realize we’d be necessary to take on as oppose to waiting for election time to roll around.
there’s no such thing as a single issue struggle
how about building coalitions and movements outside of the Democratic Party who’s sole interest is protecting capital; so that we as a people don’t have to solely rely on electoral politics to improve the material conditions of both marginalized people.
there’s more to politics that people should have to realize we’d be necessary to take on as oppose to waiting for election time to roll around.
Now you are just talking in circles
The laxer immigration thing is 100% a DNC operation, and it serves to help their "demographics" for future elections to continue to not have to actually deliver on policy. AADOS are fukking tired of it and shouldn't be bullied or shamed out of speaking their minds.
Ya' Cousin Cleon
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I’m not talking in circles
and you can’t speak for all AADDOS
and actually I pointed out very well in my response that the democrat party interest in preserving capital ties into directly with lax immigration laws because they now have a surplus of workers they can have more leeway with in exploiting
you can speak your mind all you want, just don’t pout when people point out how you’re essentially pulling a “I got Mines” and silently being complicit and giving a pass to white supremacy
and you can’t speak for all AADDOS
and actually I pointed out very well in my response that the democrat party interest in preserving capital ties into directly with lax immigration laws because they now have a surplus of workers they can have more leeway with in exploiting
you can speak your mind all you want, just don’t pout when people point out how you’re essentially pulling a “I got Mines” and silently being complicit and giving a pass to white supremacy
Now you are just talking in circles
The laxer immigration thing is 100% a DNC operation, and it serves to help their "demographics" for future elections to continue to not have to actually deliver on policy. AADOS are fukking tired of it and shouldn't be bullied or shamed out of speaking their minds.
I don't even know what the phrase means. "Intentional" as well as "Displacement"
I don't think AADOS perceive immigration a "systematic racial issue", but some of us do perceive it as something that isn't in our interest.
I don't think AADOS need immigrants, if that's what you're saying.
If more progressive policies that help poor people, you do need immigrants to counter the huge white vote that is openly hostile towards programs that help the poor. Think the ACA and Medicaid.
There are some areas that are indeed a zero sum game. School admissions, for instance. There are only a certain amount of seats. If schools decide to allocate x amount of seats to...Well, I'll let the Grio say it:
"With increased immigration from Africa and the Caribbean, you now have Nigerians, Ghanaians, Jamaicans, and other nationalities all competing with native born African-Americans. And colleges and universities, for the most part, aren’t reporting on the numbers. “We do not differentiate among African-American students according to their national backgrounds, nor could we as there is no question on the common application that asks this question,” said Brenzel.
Back in 2007, African students constituted nearly 40 percent of the black students admitted to Ivy League schools. Why is that troubling for African-American students? It’s not that African-American students begrudge African and Caribbean students for their success, but their admittance often gives opponents of affirmative action an argument that racism is no longer an obstacle, simply because of their success."
Harvard has more black students than ever, but are they African-American? - theGrio
It seems to me, us AADOS and black immigrants have competing interests at least in some cases.
I agree affirmative action should be targeted to AADOS only. The interesting question is how many African/Caribbean are eligible for these schools without using Affirmative Action?
Also, maybe these schools are looking at African students because of a shallow pool of AADOS eligible students? We know the problems with our public high schools and thus problems like the dismal graduation in the AA community. Shouldn't more effort be put to increasing the quality of education and thus boosting the number of AADOS students available to compete for Ivy League spots?
Another thins, why are people not more angry at Legacy student admissions which is about 1/3 of all Ivy League admissions?
I suppose it's easier to blame people who are alien and vulnerable in terms of political power than to actually address the underlying issues.