ima about to finish "Lost" (never seen b4) ima need some understanding from yall b!!!

[Sonic Boom of the South]

The show is horseshyt. Great build up with no pay off and the writers admitted they made it up as they went along. You wasted time watching it

 

[Monoblock]

You know what though its my opinion. Go ahead and finish it come back and let us know what you thought.

 

[winb83]

The show is horseshyt. Great build up with no pay off and the writers admitted they made it up as they went along. You wasted time watching it

LOST is one of the best shows to grace TV. The only people who think less of it are the people that let their expectations get out of hand. If you watch it with reasonable expectations its a great show. Its a TV show. of course they were making it up as they went along. All TV shows do that. Perhaps they have certain things planned out but you have a team of writers fill in the blanks. The ending and the last season in general could have been better but it was still entertaining the whole way through as a show.

 

[Monoblock]

LOST is one of the best shows to grace TV. The only people who think less of it are the people that let their expectations get out of hand. If you watch it with reasonable expectations its a great show. Its a TV show. of course they were making it up as they went along. All TV shows do that. Perhaps they have certain things planned out but you have a team of writers fill in the blanks. The ending and the last season in general could have been better but it was still entertaining the whole way through as a show.

Agree to disagree. Let's just leave it at that.

 

[AkaDemiK]

#WeHaveToGoBack



one of the GOAT if not the GOAT twist in a tv show

 

[hex]

LOST is one of the best shows to grace TV. The only people who think less of it are the people that let their expectations get out of hand. If you watch it with reasonable expectations its a great show. Its a TV show. of course they were making it up as they went along. All TV shows do that. Perhaps they have certain things planned out but you have a team of writers fill in the blanks. The ending and the last season in general could have been better but it was still entertaining the whole way through as a show.

The fukk?

You gotta be trolling. Most TV shows don't "make it up as they go along" like "Lost" did. Serialized shows typically have a season long arc planned, which is discussed at length between the showrunner and the writers, then the arc is broken down into individual episodes that are handed off to a specific writer.

So no, it's all planned out. The only time they "make it up as they go along" is in the writer's room months before they actually start writing it. And that's just brainstorming.

With "Lost" they literally made it up as they went along. They added shyt that seemed cool, with no context, or explanation, on the fly. In some cases they'd retroactively try to connect two completely random things in post production, but after a while it got too expensive.

This ain't my opinion, when David Fury left the show he tried to tell cats that's how it was written, and everyone ignored him until the finale, when it should've been abundantly clear.

Now, if you like the show ok cool....but to say "all shows do this" is a slap in the face to all the hard work that legitimately great writers do, so shyt actually makes sense when you watch it. This show is the definition of the approach to writing.

Fred.

 

[winb83]

The fukk?

You gotta be trolling. Most TV shows don't "make it up as they go along" like "Lost" did. Serialized shows typically have a season long arc planned, which is discussed at length between the showrunner and the writers, then the arc is broken down into individual episodes that are handed off to a specific writer.

So no, it's all planned out. The only time they "make it up as they go along" is in the writer's room months before they actually start writing it. And that's just brainstorming.

With "Lost" they literally made it up as they went along. They added shyt that seemed cool, with no context, or explanation, on the fly. In some cases they'd retroactively try to connect two completely random things in post production, but after a while it got too expensive.

This ain't my opinion, when David Fury left the show he tried to tell cats that's how it was written, and everyone ignored him until the finale, when it should've been abundantly clear.

Now, if you like the show ok cool....but to say "all shows do this" is a slap in the face to all the hard work that legitimately great writers do, so shyt actually makes sense when you watch it. This show is the definition of the approach to writing.

Fred.

I didn't say all shows did it to the same extent as LOST but no show is 100% written out before a single episode of it is filmed. Many of these shows have no idea if they're gonna go 5-6 seasons so when I say you have certain things planned out that's the overarching story then you have your team connect the dots and fill in the blanks.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

LOST is one of the best shows to grace TV. The only people who think less of it are the people that let their expectations get out of hand. If you watch it with reasonable expectations its a great show. Its a TV show. of course they were making it up as they went along. All TV shows do that. Perhaps they have certain things planned out but you have a team of writers fill in the blanks. The ending and the last season in general could have been better but it was still entertaining the whole way through as a show.

This is all nonsense. Lost was a con, period.

Of course we don't expect them to have story elements planned out years in advance but you should at least have the basic MYTHOLOGY mapped out before you just start writing stuff in without any clue as to what those implications are gonna be. You can't build something if you don't lay the foundation down first.

And that's the thing, Lost wasn't building towards anything at all. How could it? The writers literally had no idea what any of these things meant. The "clues" and the "mysteries" were nothing more than false flags to keep people tuning in. It wasn't about telling a satisfying story it was about making sure you watched advertisements paid for by sponsors.

And of course almost every episode ended with the same bullshyt "Answers. Are. Coming" preview even though the next episode would be like a filler character episode or some shyt.

 

[hex]

I didn't say all shows did it to the same extent as LOST but no show is 100% written out before a single episode of it is filmed. Many of these shows have no idea if they're gonna go 5-6 seasons so when I say you have certain things planned out that's the overarching story then you have your team connect the dots and fill in the blanks.

This is all nonsense. Lost was a con, period.

Of course we don't expect them to have story elements planned out years in advance but you should at least have the basic MYTHOLOGY mapped out before you just start writing stuff in without any clue as to what those implications are gonna be. You can't build something if you don't lay the foundation down first.

And that's the thing, Lost wasn't building towards anything at all. How could it? The writers literally had no idea what any of these things meant. The "clues" and the "mysteries" were nothing more than false flags to keep people tuning in. It wasn't about telling a satisfying story it was about making sure you watched advertisements paid for by sponsors.

And of course almost every episode ended with the same bullshyt "Answers. Are. Coming" preview even though the next episode would be like a filler character episode or some shyt.

100% what @Kill Dat Noize said. @winb83 if you think all shows are written like "Lost" I suggest you read an interview with David Simon, David Chase, D.B. Weiss, Vince Gilligan....hell, literally any show runner for any serialized drama from the last 15 years.

Fred.

 

[Larry Lobster]

It could have been the goat tv show ever, but they blew it with that terrible last season and stupid explanations.
But if you take seasons 1-2 maybe 3 its pretty good though

They never explained what really happened with walt

 

[stealthbomber]

They made it up as they went along, literally nothing makes any sense.

Hate it had to be you.

Fred.

is this true?

i remember being obsessed with it as a kid but stopped watching it after they found the other people.. it just got weird and the whole time i wanted to know where the smoke monster went

i need to go back and finish it actually..

 

[hex]

is this true?

i remember being obsessed with it as a kid but stopped watching it after they found the other people.. it just got weird and the whole time i wanted to know where the smoke monster went

i need to go back and finish it actually..

Yes. David Fury, a writer that worked on season 1, said he bounced from the show because nothing made any sense and there wasn't even any effort to connect pieces of the story together. This is a quote from Rolling Stone magazine, 2005:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.tv.lost/BbjlP-u64do

THEY'RE MAKING IT UP AS THEY GO

The Lost creators have often claimed they know where the show is going
and that everything will ultimately add up. Well, the current creators,
anyway. "there was absoluetly no master plan on Lost" insists David
Fury, a co-executive producer last season who wrote the series's two
best episodes and is now a writer-producer on 24. "anybody who said
that was lying.
"On a show like Lost, it becomes a great big shaggy-dog story," he
continues cheerily. "They keep saying there's meaning in everything,
and I'm here to tell you no - a lot of things are just arbitrary. What
I always tried to do to do was connect these random elements, to create
the illusion that it was all adding up to something."
Many plot elements were concocted on the fly, Fury says; for
example, they didn't know Hurley won the lottery until it came time to
write his episode. "I don't like to talk about when we come up with
ideas," Lindelof demurs. "It's a magic trick. But we planned that plot:
We seeded references to it in earlier episodes." Fury disagrees. He
says scenes with those references were filmed much later and inserted
into earlier yet-to-air episodes: "it's a brilliant trick to make us
look smart. But doing that created a huge budget problem."

At the time "Lost" fans wanted to crucify the guy because he was shytting on their favorite show, but he did another interview right before the last episode aired and flat out told people "I guarantee you nothing will be explained".

And he was obviously right.

Fred.

 

[The War Report]

The first 2 seasons were amazing but then the quality dipped around S4. The one thing I take from Lost was just all the characters and their back stories. What pissed people off was the island just not making any in sense in the end.

 

[Bboystyle]

Lost is like pulling some fine ass sexy dime,getting her back to your crib,let her slob on your knob for a few mins,slowly take off her dress, unclip her bra with her perfect C size t*ts all perked up,and then u finally glide off her panties slowly only to be confronted by a hairy dangling dikk

 

[obarth]

100% what @Kill Dat Noize said. @winb83 if you think all shows are written like "Lost" I suggest you read an interview with David Simon, David Chase, D.B. Weiss, Vince Gilligan....hell, literally any show runner for any serialized drama from the last 15 years.

Fred.

Vince Gilligan has admitted that he and his writing team made shyt up with no idea where they were going with it and would write themselves into corners all the time. He's literally admitted that a lot of Breaking Bad was them winging it. I don't see how you can really be going at @winb83 this hard about making a statement that isn't that farfetched. If you want to argue about the quality of one writing teams improvisation versus the others cool, but arguing about whether some shows are making it up as they go along is pointless, it's been proven to be a fact:

"Breaking Bad" just completed one of the best seasons of a TV drama I've ever had the pleasure to witness. (You can read my review of the finale here.) So just like I did last year, I got on the phone with creator Vince Gilligan to talk about the grand plan that led to this season - only to have Vince explain, over and over, that so much of what made this year great was the complete lack of a plan.

After the jump, Vince and I discuss the many Bob Ross-ian happy accidents of season three, including the Cousins, Gus's expanded role and the return of Heisenberg. Also, Vince provides some clarification on the final scene, and he has a slightly different answer about the show's long-term future than he did a year ago. Enjoy. Let's start with the Cousins. You come into the season, they get the first big scene, and in these early episodes, it seems very clearly that we're building to some sort of apocalyptic thing with the Cousins. And then Hank deals with them midway through the year and we move onto something else. Was that always your plan? A bit of misdirection?
I'd love to be able to say that everything is pre-figured. I'd love to tell you I'm Bobby Fischer and I'm playing this game 20 moves ahead, but it's just not true. The writers and I, once we created the Cousins and put them into motion, the problem that we saw for ourselves was, "My God, how do we pay this off?" It's the exhilarating thing about this job and it's the terrifying thing about this job: We actively try to paint ourselves into corners at the end of episodes - at the end of seasons, at the end of scenes sometimes - and then we try to extricate ourselves from those corners. So far, so good. But one of these days, we'll probably paint ourselves into a corner we can't escape from.

The Cousins were one of those corners, in a sense. We created these guys, wound them up and set them loose, and then we spent a lot of hours and days in the writers room asking questions of ourselves: "What happens next? How do these guys who are so desperate to kill Walt, what keeps them at bay?" "Well, I guess the only thing that keeps them at bay would be Gus." Then suddenly we're realizing Gus is playing this whole game on a much higher level than we writers even thought in the first place.

We're actively moving these chess pieces around, not so much playing 10 or 15 or 20 moves ahead, but we are kind of running for our lives. It's scary. I don't want it to sound like it's a slapdash operation. It doesn't feel that way when we're doing it. We put a lot of thought into everything, and we try to play the game several moves ahead. But we're only human, and it's tricky sometime. All of this is a long-winded way of saying this was not pre-planned from the get-go. It was kind of a living, breathing thing that took on a life of its own as the season went along.

So in your mind, did you think when you went into the season, "We're all building towards some sort of showdown with the Cousins in episode 13" and it didn't work out that way? Or did you not even have that much of an arc for the season at that point?

There's a couple of different levels we always have to think about. When we first came up with the idea of the Cousins, that was before we had cast them. You have to keep in mind that if you cast the wrong actor in the role, and that actor for whatever reason is not playing it as interestingly as you would have hoped, then you're in trouble, and you don't want to put a huge amount of weight on them. Having said that, Luis and Daniel (Moncada) were 10 times more than I would have hoped for. They were absolutely fantastic. They really were better than my wildest dreams. They were scarier, they were sexier, they had more charisma than I would have ever hoped for. They just crushed those characters. And it was a sad day, believe me, on the set, when their characters were ended, because they're just great guys, too. They were wonderful guys to hang out with, too. The crew loved them. Every crew member wanted their photo taken with the Cousins, and apparently hours were spent doing that.

But you kind of have to wing it. It's like improvisational jazz. You don't know just how great the character is going to be, or maybe the reverse of that. And with the Cousins in particular, they're so scary and such a force of nature, the other issue we had in the writers room, was, how can we honestly hold these guys off as some sort of a tease for the audience for 13 entire episodes? We certainly had no interest in losing the Cousins just for the sake of losing them because the actors who played them turned out to be so great. But on the other hand, what I didn't want to do - pardon my crudity - was jerk the audience off for 13 episodes so we could have a quote-unquote "proper showdown" with them at the end of the season. That's how we try to keep things fresh. Hopefully, just when you think the Cousins are the major players in the season, then we get rid of them. It's not to be chaotic or anarchic, but simply to keep things fresh. I want people guessing like crazy, but I don't ever want the audience knowing what happens next. That would be a major failure on our part if we ever allowed that to happen.

The reason I ask that is because last season had a very clear plan, and you were laying seeds for the plane crash from the very beginning. So this year, you didn't have anything like that in your head going into it?

That is very true. I'm reactive more than active sometimes. I was reacting to last season. Season two, we were very proud of, and I liked that. It appealed to me intellectually, the idea of a circular season where the beginning images are also the end images. But that was miserably hard to figure out. We spent four or five weeks just sitting around with our heads in our hands. That was truly my best attempt ever, in my career, to play chess at the Bobby Fischer level, and I realized then, I'm definitely no Bobby Fischer. But we did have to plan out the bold strokes. But having said that, when we got deeper into season two, we knew it would end with a plane crash and that it would be Jane's dad who would be the air traffic controller, but we didn't know for sure whether he'd do it on purpose, or just how Jane was going to die. We thought maybe she was going to be driving across town with tears in her eyes to have some loving reunion with Jesse and get t-boned by a car or something. We had the bold storkes, but not the details, and as we know, the devil is in the details. So I was running scared all through season two, and it was miserably hard having that bookended shape to that season. So I wasn't eager to try that again. And also, honestly, we had done it once, so I felt if people are expecting it, let's switch it up again.

All of that is to say this season was kind of a different deal in a lot of ways. One sense was, as a reaction to the pre-ordained feeling of season two, we wanted this season to feel as if it was being lived in in the moment for us writers. Therefore, we kind of winged it. We tried to be as true to the characters as we could, we tried to let them tell us where they were headed, and we tried not to oversteer them into scenes we thought would be fun scenes. Rather, we tried to listen to the characters and see what they wanted to do and where they were headed. That's really the approach we had to season three, and it had its positives and it had its negatives, too for us. It was a different way for doing it. Going forward into season four, if there's yet a third way of structuring a season, maybe we'll try to find it just to keep things fresh and interesting.


Read more at http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-a...post-mortems-season-three#K2yYCLbfMv8WRquV.99

http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-a...ator-vince-gilligan-post-mortems-season-three

No. 1: Walter White goes Rambo

The writers of “Breaking Bad” gave Walter White his M60 before they knew who it would kill.

Vince Gilligan says in the final “Breaking Bad Insider” podcast that he and his team had no idea, when they gave Walt the machine gun at the start of the final season, that he would eventually motorize it mow down Neo Nazis. They didn't even know the show would have Neo Nazis.

Also read: ‘Breaking Bad': What It All Means

It was a classic case of the “Breaking Bad” writers writing themselves into a corner and trying to find a way out. They created Uncle Jack's gang in part because they needed villains worthy of a massacre, Gilligan said.

“We went through every possibility in the book,” he said. “You're planting a flag at that point… We were saying you know what? An M60 machine gun, Rambo's machine gun, something cool has to happen with that. We'll figure it out later.”

http://www.thewrap.com/breaking-bad-vince-gilligan-shares-5-alternate-endings/