Black people and other non white people have had vegan and vegetarian diets long before cacs. Obviously not the entire continent of Africa but veganism is not something exclusive to cacs. For a sub forum that's always Cac this and cac that some of y'all like to give them too much credit.
This.
And you know what unhealthy food Black people have actually followed White people in eating?
White bread
Processed sweets
Soda pop and other high calorie, no nutrition drinks
Heavily fried foods, especially those fried in heavily processed oils
All this awful stuff that is hardly even food, stuff that no culture ate until fairly recently in human history, stuff that has been directly tied to cancer, heat disease, obesity, diabetes, etc...THAT is the stuff Black people gone the hardest in following White people and eating.
And we're complaining about going vegan?
Actually it's the other way around. Meat in most parts of the world is actually a luxury.
Also meat isn't the problem. Animal husbandry for meat consumption started thousands of years ago.
Eating meat isn't evil.
The problem is the amounts of meat we consume, the way it's raised and how it's cooked.
We literally only know how to cook WITH meat and eat it for every meal.
Farming is horrible these days b/c it's not small local farmers but mass produced big business meat (if it's not made in a lab). The addition of salt and antibiotics and infection and bone fragments and diseases and fecal matter...and god knows what else gets to our table.
Lastly the way we cook meats oftentimes fried or saturated in salts...
I can't tolerate self-righteous vegans b/c our physiology is obviously supportive of meat in our diets and it provides nutrients.
But I don't knock anybody for being vegan in light of the greedy practices of big business fukking up the meat resources and humans being able to sustain themselves healthily completely free of animal based foods as well.
Amen to all that.
I don't mind eating meat from sustainable hunting or from well-integrated organic farming. It's the mass quantities of meat and the agribusiness practices that make it unhealthy, environmentally destructive, and destructive of farming communities.
Exactly.
It's about quality, consciousness and moderation. Vegans talk a lot of shyt about being pro-environment not understanding how detrimental of an effect modern agriculture is having. I don't think everyone stopping eating meat all of a sudden pushes the needle on saving the environment. All of the disease and negative effects come from the practices that get the meat to the table.
If everyone stopped eating meat it would push the needle.
Something like 50% of human land use is devoted to agriculture, and 70% of agricultural land is devoted to meat. The issue with meat is that it is not just the land you raise the animals on, but the vast cropland necessary to raise all the oats and hay and corn and soy and whatever else they're feeding the cows nowadays. Because they're an extra step higher on the food chain, the # of acres farmed per calorie eaten is far higher for meat than it is for vegetables, and it's far higher for cows than for anything else.
So if everyone stopped eating meat, there would be a ton more land opened up, somewhere between 10% and 25% of all land used by humanity.
Of course, you're right that just stopping meat eating isn't what we need to be doing. All agribusiness farming practices are screwed up (as recently as 30-40 years ago even normal Chinese farming practices were FAR better environmentally and efficiency-wise than modern agribusiness), that holds for grain and nuts and vegetables and meat, everything. And there are ways to do meat smartly and sustainable.
But honestly, I can't think of any one thing that would be as easy to move the needle with as stopping meat-eating.
but I do eat lots of salmons, shrimp etc. I genuinely enjoy eating fruits and wished I did the same with vegetables.
