I'm obsessed with the Pull counter yall

[BlackMajik]

Floyd's pull counter is very good but my favorite is James Toney's version of it. All he did was turn his body/waist slightly, use his shoulder to protect himself & kinda roll with the punch & came back with a powerful counter right hand. And JT had variations of this punch whether it was straight or the overight hand. If you were a big right hand reliant fighter JT shut you down easily with this move. This is the old out of shape JT doing this:



JT shuts G-Man down in this sparring session:

RJJ always cracks me up in that 1st clip

"Counter right hand right dere"

 

[#SOG_soldier]

theres three ways to counter a jab with a right hand. the pull counter is a version of the counter right hand over the top of a jab with an outside slip:

the difference of the pull counter is on the slip. you dont slip outside the jab to make it pass through the invisible space that you have next to your left ear and over your left shoulder.

you dont slip at all. you turn your right cheek in and jerk your head back and away in one motion:

Spoiler

imagine a jab being thrown at a point in space and mark it with an imaginary dot. put your head on that imaginary dot as an imaginary jab repeatedly jabs to that point. practice turning your right cheek in and jerking your head back and away as each jab reaches this imaginary dot for several reps. practice with different depths and speeds. try to get a friend or someone from your gym to throw jabs at an imaginary point in space and put your head on that point and practice this motion for several reps and ask for him to change depths and speeds as you progress.

another way to counter the jab with the right hand is a right hand with an inside slip in one motion. the right hand is a unique punch in boxing because its the only punch that causes the head to naturally slip when you throw it meaning that in addition to being a punch its also a defensive move which you use when you throw a right hand over the top of a jab. the head will naturally slip inside and make the jab pass through the invisible space that you have next to your right ear and over your right shoulder:

those are the different ways to counter a jab with the right hand. the right hand over the top of a jab with the inside slip in one motion is the fastest, or in boxing terms the most sudden, because the punches in a fight are experienced in terms of their suddenness not fastness, but the pull counter is probably the most psychological because of the way the pull counter can be used with or without a right hand. floyd likes to show a few pulls before throwing the right hand with each pull counter. each time floyd shows a pull on a jab, a fighter has to guess whether or not a right hand is going to come over it, which has the effect of paralyzing them. the psychological effect of the pull counter in general is that it makes a fighter have to guess whether he will get hit with a right hand on every jab, without having to actually throw any right hands.

the fighter who did that a lot was muhammad ali. if you like pull counters try to watch a lot of muhammad ali fights. that pull motion itself comes from ali because ali never used slips.

bernard hopkins is that you?

 

[Big Boss]

@Newzz @krackdagawd

PBF>>>>>>>>Money May

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

@Newzz @krackdagawd

PBF>>>>>>>>Money May

PBF = Jordan before first retirement

Money May = Jordan wearing the 45 switching to 23 and winning 3 more rings

 

[Axum Ezana]

theres three ways to counter a jab with a right hand. the pull counter is a version of the counter right hand over the top of a jab with an outside slip:

the difference of the pull counter is on the slip. you dont slip outside the jab to make it pass through the invisible space that you have next to your left ear and over your left shoulder.

you dont slip at all. you turn your right cheek in and jerk your head back and away in one motion:

Spoiler

imagine a jab being thrown at a point in space and mark it with an imaginary dot. put your head on that imaginary dot as an imaginary jab repeatedly jabs to that point. practice turning your right cheek in and jerking your head back and away as each jab reaches this imaginary dot for several reps. practice with different depths and speeds. try to get a friend or someone from your gym to throw jabs at an imaginary point in space and put your head on that point and practice this motion for several reps and ask for him to change depths and speeds as you progress.

another way to counter the jab with the right hand is a right hand with an inside slip in one motion. the right hand is a unique punch in boxing because its the only punch that causes the head to naturally slip when you throw it meaning that in addition to being a punch its also a defensive move which you use when you throw a right hand over the top of a jab. the head will naturally slip inside and make the jab pass through the invisible space that you have next to your right ear and over your right shoulder:

those are the different ways to counter a jab with the right hand. the right hand over the top of a jab with the inside slip in one motion is the fastest, or in boxing terms the most sudden, because the punches in a fight are experienced in terms of their suddenness not fastness, but the pull counter is probably the most psychological because of the way the pull counter can be used with or without a right hand. floyd likes to show a few pulls before throwing the right hand with each pull counter. each time floyd shows a pull on a jab, a fighter has to guess whether or not a right hand is going to come over it, which has the effect of paralyzing them. the psychological effect of the pull counter in general is that it makes a fighter have to guess whether he will get hit with a right hand on every jab, without having to actually throw any right hands.

the fighter who did that a lot was muhammad ali. if you like pull counters try to watch a lot of muhammad ali fights. that pull motion itself comes from ali because ali never used slips.

rep back so I guess ill rep ya.

 

[mr. smoke weed]

that kind of counter right hand does that a lot. i call that a clothesline because when a right hand gets caught on a jab they look like two shirts hanging out to dry together on a clothesline. when fighters get caught out on a clothesline together like that, they start digging with their free arm. you probably have experienced that.

the kind of counter right hand you're throwing gets caught on arm because the right hand and the jab came out at the same time. counter right hands over a jab work because as a jab comes back the arm starts retracting in a v shape which lets right hands come over it. your right hand is getting caught on arm because the jab hasn't started retracting. throw the counter right hand on the end of the jab as its retracting. thats how rosendo alvarez knocked down the great ricardo lopez.

the right hand alvarez threw was a looping overhand right and not a quick straight right. throw it that way to create more lag to give the jab time to retract underneath the overhand right when you're getting your right hands caught on arm a lot.

Damn breh that is GREAT advice. Props and I will try this if I ever spar again. @krackdagawd post results.

 

[krackdagawd]

Damn breh that is GREAT advice. Props and I will try this if I ever spar again. @krackdagawd post results.

I'm going to try it at different depths/speed like Yuzo said before trying it out sparring but yeah shyt's great advice between Yuzo and Ski nikkas gonna think I'm on them Ariza shakes

 

[Knicksman20]

Bernard Hopkins has a counter right hand similar to JT

 

[ucanthandlethetruth]

The fact that Floyd does this shyt to EVERYONE regardless of what their reach is and always pulls with like an inch of the punch landing is some shyt when you think about it. Dat sweet science

floyd pull counter in slo motion is the closest thing to a real life matrix scene i have ever seen in real life

 

[Amare's Right Hook]

Yuzo needs to post more, great thread guys

 

[Maizeandbluekid]

No doubt, the Pull Counter is a fukking thing of beauty, there is in fact a way to counter it. When Floyd fought Maidana the second time in the third round, he landed his famous pull counter with no problems; but at the end of the round, when he tried it again, Maidana was able to find a way to counter that by simply pressing forward, pumping his jab out and keeping his head down lower than Floyd's so that he can avoid the pull counter, but also land his counter as well.

Video:


When you slow it down and see the form and execution, it's basically how Marquez caught Pacquiao, the difference being that Floyd was backing up instead of rushing in, and vice versa with Maidana moving forward. It's not easy, but it can be done. If Manny wants to try this against Floyd, I would advise the following:

• Study how Marquez caught you
• Back Floyd up just like Maidana did
• With your comparably parallel hand speed, find a way to time it and not only land, but land flush and hard enough to give Floyd his own second thoughts before throwing that pull counter again

Just a minor observation.

 

[Black Ball]

No doubt, the Pull Counter is a fukking thing of beauty, there is in fact a way to counter it. When Floyd fought Maidana the second time in the third round, he landed his famous pull counter with no problems; but at the end of the round, when he tried it again, Maidana was able to find a way to counter that by simply pressing forward, pumping his jab out and keeping his head down lower than Floyd's so that he can avoid the pull counter, but also land his counter as well.

Video:


When you slow it down and see the form and execution, it's basically how Marquez caught Pacquiao, the difference being that Floyd was backing up instead of rushing in, and vice versa with Maidana moving forward. It's not easy, but it can be done. If Manny wants to try this against Floyd, I would advise the following:

• Study how Marquez caught you
• Back Floyd up just like Maidana did
• With your comparably parallel hand speed, find a way to time it and not only land, but land flush and hard enough to give Floyd his own second thoughts before throwing that pull counter again

Just a minor observation.

Not remembering, but did Floyd scrap the pull counter for the rest of the fight after this?

 

[Knicksman20]

Especially in the first fight Floyd had issues dealing with Maidana's jab which you can tell disrupted his offensive rhythm. I've said this years ago & will say it again, a boxer with a solid jab will give Floyd major problems. Prime Viper Forrest would've been hell if not beat Mayweather.

 

[mcellas]

 

[GREENandYELLOW]

Since @Yuzo was dropping serious knowledge in here, it made me remember Lampley talking with Hopkins about his work in Ring magazine teaching the technical side, during the Kovalev-Pascal fight.

Found this online: http://ringtv.craveonline.com/tag/perfect-execution

Hopkins giving video tutorials.


We may need a boxing tutorial thread here brehs., with the more knowledgeable cats breaking stuff down and using gif's/videos like above.