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A lot of people who post here aren't only "down with slavery", but truly value it.
 

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Marx would have rejected Lenin, Stalin , and Mao. Same with Castro and Chavez.

All they did was swap out the bourgeoisie from one group to another . So instead of going to work for a rich businessman, you went to work for a rich government official. Instead of being able to be wealthy through a private sector path, you instead chose the public sector to become rich.

That's against Marxist principles.

Sorry to dumb it down, it's a bit more complicated.
 

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you ignore way too many factors...

i dint mention any factors, because i didnt go into why, im just stating the facts, revolutionary socialism systems end up collapsing and/or get over run by capitalist, that is just a historical fact

so imo black people need to stick to capitalism, if you want to add a socialist layer to it, thats fine, but any economy that isnt based on capitalism is pretty much doomed to fail

if you have a bunch of excuses for why it happened feel free to say them, that doesnt change the facts about what happened
 

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i dint mention any factors, because i didnt go into why, im just stating the facts, revolutionary socialism systems end up collapsing and/or get over run by capitalist, that is just a historical fact

so imo black people need to stick to capitalism, if you want to add a socialist layer to it, thats fine, but any economy that isnt based on capitalism is pretty much doomed to fail

if you have a bunch of excuses for why it happened feel free to say them, that doesnt change the facts about what happened
No excuses here. I think we all know the truth.. lol@ you even bringing up cuba?
 

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No excuses here. I think we all know the truth.. lol@ you even bringing up cuba?

why wouldnt I bring up cuba, you mentioned revolutionary socialism, unless im missing something cuba and Venezuela would fall into that category, or at least that is the rhetoric their leaders use

why should black people embrace an economic system that is doomed to collapse and doomed to get overrun by capitalists
 
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why wouldnt I bring up cuba, you mentioned revolutionary socialism, unless im missing something cuba and Venezuela would fall into that category, or at least that is the rhetoric their leaders use

why should black people embrace an economic system that is doomed to collapse and doomed to get overrun by capitalists
do you know what type of fukkery was in cuba pre 1950?

That situation and the situation for all of American history isn't something black people should be for. WE naturally are against slavery and oppression. Also, why would the group who deals w the most shyt and who is at the bottom (for the most part) embrace a system that strives off manipulation and economic gaps??? A system that would stifle the potential of the Cuban economic system - by embargo. A embargo that is condemned by nearly all black and latinos on planet Earth and most nations on Earth??? The fact that capitalism and it's connections with crime and politics could even encourage such a demonic embargo says it all. .

ntm the fact that as the dollar lost half it's value in the last 7 years.. the wealthy got stupid gross rich while economic gaps increased to a level that is equal to the worse areas on earth.
 

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do you know what type of fukkery was in cuba pre 1950?

That situation and the situation for all of American history isn't something black people should be for. WE naturally are against slavery and oppression. Also, why would the group who deals w the most shyt and who is at the bottom (for the most part) embrace a system that strives off manipulation and economic gaps??? A system that would stifle the potential of the Cuban economic system - by embargo. A embargo that is condemned by nearly all black and latinos on planet Earth and most nations on Earth??? The fact that capitalism and it's connections with crime and politics could even encourage such a demonic embargo.

Yeah I do know what Cuba was like before 1950 and I'm saying Castro made a mistake, the fact that America is a racist country doesn't change the fact that capitalism is a more efficient economic system than communism
 

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I don't know if I can fukk with capitalism anymore because as you can see in this country only a very very very select few are truly benefiting from it. You have skilled, hard ass working people making 50k a year but athletes who don't even participate in the actual job making millions. Life should be more about equality than this bullshyt notion that dog eat dog and some people are just more fortunate than others. Matt Ryan signed a deal today that guaranteed him 50 fukking million dollars. 50 fukkING MILLION DOLLARS but you have teachers and doctors who actually do meaningful shyt less than 100k a year. I just can't live with that notion anymore.
 

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Yeah I do know what Cuba was like before 1950 and I'm saying Castro made a mistake, the fact that America is a racist country doesn't change the fact that capitalism is a more efficient economic system than communism
damn homie... so you just gone take the Blue pill and wash that shyt down w vodka? :wow:
 
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Explain.
Because if I recall correctly, in the ancient world slaves were able to buy their freedom. I think your gripe is not necessarily with capitalism in general, but an unrefined, unfair form of it. Of course, I won't know this unless you actually elaborate.

Slavery is the EPITOME of capitalism...

That is capitalism to its extreme...The whole point of capitalism is to maximize profits, while reducing the cost of production, and labour is one the BIGGEST costs of doing business (at least certain business)...

Next to producing a product that does not require any labour, slavery is the second best business model...

Communism is the ideal, and nature gave humans emotions to make sure that we NEVER reach this ideal of sharing with no jealousy or ill intentions...There is not enough space on this Earth for humans to be at peace with each other...

Nature is a Genius...
 

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damn homie... so you just gone take the Blue pill and wash that shyt down w vodka? :wow:

Nah I'm just gonna analyzing facts to figure out the optimal solution, my analysis shows that revolutionary socialism is worse than American capitalism
 

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I don't know if I can fukk with capitalism anymore because as you can see in this country only a very very very select few are truly benefiting from it. You have skilled, hard ass working people making 50k a year but athletes who don't even participate in the actual job making millions. Life should be more about equality than this bullshyt notion that dog eat dog and some people are just more fortunate than others. Matt Ryan signed a deal today that guaranteed him 50 fukking million dollars. 50 fukkING MILLION DOLLARS but you have teachers and doctors who actually do meaningful shyt less than 100k a year. I just can't live with that notion anymore.

i think it would be more accurate to say that you arent down with corporatism, where society is dominated by corporations

but this is capitalism at work 'Treme's' Wendell Pierce opens first Sterling Farms grocery store | NOLA.com and black people need to double down on the basics of capitalism which include property ownership, financial systems, entrepreneurialism and economic freedom, IMO there is no way you can develop prosperous black communities unless the community practices capitalism
 

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if i may add, i would flip the whole argument of this thread, i would assert that the main purpose of slavery, jim crow laws and continued racism is to make sure black people do NOT participate in capitalism because the more capitalism black people practice the richer and more powerful black people will get

and lets talk abut slavery and capitalism

one of the basic concepts of capitalism is economic freedom, that means you are free to participate and make contracts with whomever and however you wish, slavery is not capitalism because slavery represents a denial of economic freedom, the slave never went into a contract with his so called "owner"

the notion of turning a human being into chattel or a possession is not a function of capitalism, its a function of the racism and depravity of Europeans, capitalism means economic freedom which in turn means an african would go into a contract under his free will that lays out the terms for his labor , so the purpose of chattel slavery is to make sure the africans did not participate in capitalism and did not exercise his or her freedom to make a contract

this whole anti capitalism gibberish is a trap for black people, they are using anger at white racism to denigrate a system that has made countries like the US, western europe, japan and china rich and powerful, by spurning capitalism we are spurning the chance to operate at the same level as the powerful and rich countries

and a lot of white people pushing anti capitalism are people that have already received the fruits of capitalism and practice it themselves when they need to and a lot of people like castro and chavez that have actually implemented anti capitalist theories have brought their countries to economic ruin

if we are gonna fight against corporate domination or try to smooth out the edges of capitalism with social programs im all for that, but society has to be fundamentally capitalist to survive and thrive---capitalist being defined as property ownership, banking and financial systems, economic freedom and entrepreneurialism

when you look at poor black neighborhoods ie the hood, they arent like that because of capitalism, they are like that because of the LACK of capitalism, the racism around those neighborhoods are made to make sure the residents do not participate in capitalism

this here is an example of how white people try to stop black people from participating in capitalism and increasing their wealth http://www.thecoli.com/threads/undercover-informant-plants-crack-cocaine-in-smoke-shop-business-owner-saved-by-tape.133735/#post-4934995

by spurning capitalism you are doing exactly what white racists want
 
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