If the system is rigged against you and you commit a crime whos to blame?

[Spanish Thought]

Everything should be on a case by case basis. If 2 people were charged with the same exact crime, I can guarantee you that one mans story could make the whole world agree he should get a second chance while the other mans story can make everybody say hang his azz...

Nothing should be pre-judged

 

[CrimsonTider]

If nobody made it out of the hood this line of thinking would be somewhat valid

But since people do all I hear are excuses

A lot more people don't make it out than do make it out.

 

[LastEmperor2k2]

The system isn't rigged against you to commit a crime, that's an excuse for weaker/less intelligent individuals.

You make your own choices in life, no matter what the situation.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Everything should be on a case by case basis. If 2 people were charged with the same exact crime, I can guarantee you that one mans story could make the whole world agree he should get a second chance while the other mans story can make everybody say hang his azz...

Nothing should be pre-judged

Definitely, which is why claiming the system is rigged is dubious. It helps people avoid taking responsibility for their decisions.

A lot more people don't make it out than do make it out.

Right but people do make it out. Meaning there is a way and that the people who don't make it out are stuck at some level by their own choice.

 

[CrimsonTider]

Definitely, which is why claiming the system is rigged is dubious. It helps people avoid taking responsibility for their decisions.



Right but people do make it out. Meaning there is a way and that the people who don't make it out are stuck at some level by their own choice.

Shouldn't those people be looked at as stastical outliers? Not examples

Some people have raw sex with people who have Aids and don't catch anything.

Should we stop looking for a cure for AIDS?

 

[tru_m.a.c]

Who created the older people that created this youngster? It just keeps going further and further back in a cycle until something is done to curve the fallout of what's going on.

but the something done has to be initiated by the individual

it's like folks act like bad ppl don't exist regardless of how good/bad their parents were

and all you're doing is making excuses for the folks that are doing the "bad"

don't blame me, blame society...rly so who created society then??? are you not society??? is society not the make up of its individuals??? with this train of thought, why don't you just say "blame adam & eve."

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Shouldn't those people be looked at as stastical outliers? Not examples

Some people have raw sex with people who have Aids and don't catch anything.

Should we stop looking for a cure for AIDS?

Why shouldn't they be looked at as examples?

 

[Fredrick Thuglas]

I think your OP is idealistic. Understand that the issues in this society are not a mistake. There is enough money to feed everyone, there is enough funding to educate and take care of everyone. Yet there are people disenfranchised while others PROFIT from the fact that there are people disenfranchised.

Consider that and then ask whether you think effective rehabilitation programs will be created and if Judges will give lenient sentences for non-violent crimes.

Everything thing is about a dollar. This world is a ghetto.

 

[Pool_Shark]

I think your OP is idealistic. Understand that the issues in this society are not a mistake. There is enough money to feed everyone, there is enough funding to educate and take care of everyone. Yet there are people disenfranchised while others PROFIT from the fact that there are people disenfranchised.

Consider that and then ask whether you think effective rehabilitation programs will be created and if Judges will give lenient sentences for non-violent crimes.

Everything thing is about a dollar. This world is a ghetto.

It is an idealistic approach and of course like Pac said "They don't give a fukk about us." What I wanted to illustrate is the hypocrisy of fortunate people. They refuse to help the poor and lending a hand is a socialistic view but when those monsters ,they created, attack they act surprised or criticize.

"Why would you do that?"
"That's so stupid if that was me I'd do this, I'd do that"

People like to judge others and act as if they're impervious to the ways of the world. Some of us are lucky enough to never have to go through these struggles but yet we act as if we know exactly how to handle those situations.

"Well they have wel-fare, they have medicare, they have free school, why can't they just pick themselves up by the bootstraps."

As if the world is black and white. Yes, people overcome obstacles but not everyone is the same. Just because Allen Iverson, Jay-Z, or Hiphoplives4eva makes it out the hood doesn't mean they are the rule. It has to be case by case.

Now I'm not crying on some "These poor guys who is going to save them". People do have to be punished and disciplined when they do something wrong but there should also be a better chance to reform and help these people not commit those crimes again.

Also more attention NEEDS to be paid to poor schools. Getting to these people when they're children is a key factor in changing the future.

We do live in a capitalistic society and that has to be some at the bottom to catch the shyt. Really the only way to help everyone would be to completely reinvent our current system but that won't happen till it's too late.

 

[Benny P]

The people, however, who believe that this democratic anguish has some consoling value are always pointing out that So-and-So, white, and So-and-So, black, rose from the slums into the big time. The existence -- the public existence -- of, say, Frank Sinatra and Sammy Davis, Jr. proves to them that America is still the land of opportunity and that inequalities vanish before the determined will. It proves nothing of the sort. The determined will is rare -- at the moment, in this country, it is unspeakably rare -- and the inequalities suffered by the many are in no way justified by the rise of a few. A few have always risen -- in every country, every era, and in the teeth of regimes which can by no stretch of the imagination be thought of as free.

 

[SirSmokeCrackAlot]

The question just boils down to "WTF are you gonna do about it?"

Sure the shytstem is unfair but now what? You gonna wait for it to be fair or are you gonna go get yours now?

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

It is an idealistic approach and of course like Pac said "They don't give a fukk about us." What I wanted to illustrate is the hypocrisy of fortunate people. They refuse to help the poor and lending a hand is a socialistic view but when those monsters ,they created, attack they act surprised or criticize.

Fortunate people help, stop with the lies. There are charities & plenty of middle class volunteers who help. My wife's company buys tickets to a lot of charity galas and is involved with a lot of outreach + charity work. Me + my wife + a lot of our friends volunteer regularly. There are a lot of non-profit orgs that do outreach and charity work.

"Why would you do that?"
"That's so stupid if that was me I'd do this, I'd do that"

People like to judge others and act as if they're impervious to the ways of the world. Some of us are lucky enough to never have to go through these struggles but yet we act as if we know exactly how to handle those situations.

Nobody is perfect and nobody claimed to be perfect. But does one have to be told that doing shyt like robbing people and selling drugs is wrong?

"Well they have wel-fare, they have medicare, they have free school, why can't they just pick themselves up by the bootstraps."

Nobody said that either, the point of mentioning that was to dispute the assertion that society doesn't help anyone.

As if the world is black and white. Yes, people overcome obstacles but not everyone is the same. Just because Allen Iverson, Jay-Z, or Hiphoplives4eva makes it out the hood doesn't mean they are the rule. It has to be case by case.

Why should it be case by case for these folks, when you claim all "fortunate" people are selfish hypocrites? Whose the real hypocrite here?

Now I'm not crying on some "These poor guys who is going to save them". People do have to be punished and disciplined when they do something wrong but there should also be a better chance to reform and help these people not commit those crimes again.

I think there are some problems with how the system deals with criminals, but again, EVERY criminal CHOSE to be a criminal, and even once they get out many make the CHOICE to get involved in that life of crime again. I have very close friends who have DIED because they chose not to leave that street life alone... and these were not poor kids, we grew up together in the same suburbs.

Also more attention NEEDS to be paid to poor schools. Getting to these people when they're children is a key factor in changing the future.

Schools can't succeed w/o input from parents, and a lot of the parents in these neighborhoods either don't give a damn or are too busy trying to survive to participate at the level they need to be for their kids to succeed.

We do live in a capitalistic society and that has to be some at the bottom to catch the shyt. Really the only way to help everyone would be to completely reinvent our current system but that won't happen till it's too late.

Everyone can't be "helped", and it seems silly to want to reinvent the wheel to prop up people who choose not to help themselves. I am not saying shyt is perfect or that society is 100% blameless... but the idea that all poor people are helpless victims of society is meaningless. If you get arrested because you were caught selling drugs or murdering someone or stealing from someone, you're not a victim, you're a criminal. Regardless of your background, you made a CHOICE, and have to face the consequences. Likewise you have a kid and don't work to get them the best education + preparation for life you can, you are making a CHOICE, and your kid's failure in life will be the CONSEQUENCE.

I also find it disturbing that people are hoping for the very same folks they claim aren't helping to be the ones to save them. SAVE YOURSELVES

 

[bouncy]

You're beginning to think like a determinist. Careful, the lot the posts here don't like that type of thinking.

There is no such thing as free will. we are a product of Genetics and environmental influences, which are both largely out of our control. I think the best solutions would be psychiatric therapy or sterilization. There is really no other no solution. Sure we have a small chance of success at changing the environment, a very small chance, but we have almost no chance at changing or even predicting what Genes may come into play. The best and least costly solution is to just kill or sterilize people.


Once you come the grips that determinism is the our reality, then you realize what a futile effort rehabilitation would be. The "Freakanomics" authors found a significant correlation between abortions and a reduction in the crime rate in the late 90's. I don't think we can simply ignore such findings and scoff at them just because they are politically incorrect. More recent findings are finding even more controversial findings. We can either put our collective heads in the sand or we can trust and accept the scientific method.

For someone who is so smart you are really stupid. I've read your post and you are someone who intakes what he has read and can't put it all together. If you know so much then you do know how much FOOD effects who you are as a person(looks and health) as well as the things you see and hear so why would you kill or sterilize people before you give them whole foods and things to do that build up there self esteem and thinking?

You sound like the "smart" people who learn something and use it wrong only to find out years later what they found out was small in the larger picture and therefore not what they thought it was. I think the people you were raised around were fukked up, made you go and learn which gave you an advantage over them because you had more knowledge over them BUT because you claim allegiance to them their negative ways will hinder you because from what I've read you come from a poor place as Stockton is broke as shyt(the town is about to declare bankruptcy)with a lot of Asian gangs. You seem like someone who has the potential to be a person of worth but because you let fools guide you, you will either never truly gain intelligence, wisdom and understanding,just be smart by reading, or have a life of anger because once you truly gain intelligence, wisdom and understanding you see how very little people have it and will hate you for it.

I think you are using your love to talk down on blacks and uplift asians as a way to fit in with Asians but trust me they will stab you in the back because this is how most people operate but it is the wise man who knows this and protects themselves. You are going to be hurt as you get older because you have built a world that is not how people truly live. They talk it but they don't live it and unless you're a bullshyt artist, you are going to feel this fact and it will hurt bad so I advise you to question your mother, your family on both sides, your wife, your friends, and ask why are you so obsessed with race and how different you are from others specifically black. You could be someone who shows how blacks and asians can have kids and come out looking either like tiger woods or like you but you took it somewhere else again due to the fools in your environment. BTW, how can you know your DNA, history, and lands of the earth but let some broke fools influence your beliefs?. I think you rwife calls you ****** sometimes or disses blacks to your face knowing your mother is black. Is her p*ssy that good?. DAMN.

What will you do if one of your kids or Grandkinds come out looking black being that you have it in your genes. Will you be like the same people who made your life hard?. Why would they dis you so bad being that you look just like them or you was a family member on your black side?. Sounds like you are around some low class and ignorant people and being that your mother had issues chances are her family did also so you need to look at your environment and change the ignorance you came up with. Hope you get better because life has a way of putting a mirror in your face and either show your growth or how fukked up your lack of it is which is why most people try as much as they can to ignore it which in turn breeds projections of anger and ultimately hate which is where you're going. Read your own post on Sohh sometime and see how crazy they read.