If the system is rigged against you and you commit a crime whos to blame?

[Pool_Shark]

I got this idea from the kermit thread in TLR.


A young boy is born into a of family drug addicts/dealers, where everyone is trying to get over on each other and it's every man for himself, in a bad inner city. The only way to come up is to sell drugs, steal, or prostitution/pimp. He goes to a shytty school, with shytty students, underpaid teachers, outdated materials, and exceptions are being made to get you to the next grade. The walk to and from school involves walking past a barrage of crime. On this walk, or walk to anywhere, he's harassed by the police. The police treat him like a criminal from the start. If he isn't one then he will eventually be one in the near future is the cops mind state.

His dad is gone and his mom is on welfare. Never works a day but is getting paid. She doesn't care for the boy and no one teaches him the value of an education.

With all this against him he starts selling drugs like everyone else is doing. Cops catch him with drugs and he goes to jail for a long time. In jail he joins a gang and gets even deeper into that world.


Whose fault was it that he ended up there? Should his sentence be pardoned? Is he just a product of his enviroment? If he is, should he be persecuted the same way that people more fortunate are prosecuted? Is jail the answer to every crime? Wouldn't a rehabilitation/education center be better for these types of individuals? Is that "special treatment"?

Thanks for reading and opinions.

 

[Serious]

Definitely a case of product of their environment. Breh

didn't know the ledge. Quick ; fast money generally involves a risk.

Idk how to fix a broken househeld, unless that child has immense willpower to succeed.

Even the probability of this occurring, is lowered if teachers / instructors have a nonchalant

attitude towards their students

 

[88m3]

The system.

 

[SuikodenII]

System.

 

[Dooby]

This is very true and tragic.

Vicious cycle of failure

Very sad.

 

[Bud Bundy]

I got this idea from the kermit thread in TLR.


A young boy is born into a of family drug addicts/dealers, where everyone is trying to get over on each other and it's every man for himself, in a bad inner city. The only way to come up is to sell drugs, steal, or prostitution/pimp. He goes to a shytty school, with shytty students, underpaid teachers, outdated materials, and exceptions are being made to get you to the next grade. The walk to and from school involves walking past a barrage of crime. On this walk, or walk to anywhere, he's harassed by the police. The police treat him like a criminal from the start. If he isn't one then he will eventually be one in the near future is the cops mind state.

His dad is gone and his mom is on welfare. Never works a day but is getting paid. She doesn't care for the boy and no one teaches him the value of an education.

With all this against him he starts selling drugs like everyone else is doing. Cops catch him with drugs and he goes to jail for a long time. In jail he joins a gang and gets even deeper into that world.


Whose fault was it that he ended up there? Should his sentence be pardoned? Is he just a product of his enviroment? If he is, should he be persecuted the same way that people more fortunate are prosecuted? Is jail the answer to every crime? Wouldn't a rehabilitation/education center be better for these types of individuals? Is that "special treatment"?

Thanks for reading and opinions.

It is his fault for choosing a life of crime when he knows the different between right and wrong when it is spelled out in the law if he does not have higher education.

Though i do believe as a prisoner half your sentence should be harsh punishment. And the other half should be rehabilitation.

 

[Fillerguy]

I understand what you're saying but there are ways to make it out that environment,t if you really want to. Our decisions are ultimately our responsibility no matter what hand we where dealt. Life aint fair. Rehabilitation doesnt help because many of these individuals dont want help, dont believe they can be helped, and dont know a world outside of that life.

One of the posters on this site created a thread talmbout him being blessed with a plea deal that keeps him outta jail. I criticized him for selling drugs in the first place and he responds with "its punishment enough being a Black man". You cant fix that mentality in a grown ass man.

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

I have to vociferously disagree with the the premise of their being no way out because its a bunch of bullshyt. Using this logic, every single person living in the ghetto should then be involved in drug sales since according to the logic "there is no other alternatives". And we all know this to be false, because there are MANY people living in these poor communities that live an honest life style and work legitimate jobs to pay their bills. This whole idea of there being "no way out other than drug dealing" is simply people taking the easy option, instead of working hard and actually getting out of the hood like other people.

And before some motherfukker comes in here and calls me a c00n. I SPEAK FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. I grew up in a shytty neighborhood all thorughout my childhood. My mom and dad were both janitors up until I was in the 8th grade. So yeah, miss me with this "there is no option but selling crack" cause it simply isn't true, ESPECIALLY in America.

People are clearly way too influenced by rap music it seems..

 

[151_Pr00f]

IMO the problem is absentee fathers. It's statistically significant across the board in terms of children who most likely end up in jail or with behavioral problems.

When children have role models actively involved in their life they're less likely to be influenced by their peers who face similar circumstances with no real guidance.

The war on drugs is another issue altogether, but regan era policies helped retard the development of poor families. It's not the sole reason but the aftermath is undeniable.

 

[2bitchesANDthaDoorLocked]

I'm not saying there's no way out

But tha playing feel is not leveled and it's more difficult to make it out of an environment like that than it is for some oft living in a nice suburb with two parents that provide attention and finance

 

[Mowgli]

If you steal merchandise from a company that uses slaves overseas, are you wrong.

 

[VerbalIntercourse]

You're beginning to think like a determinist. Careful, the lot the posts here don't like that type of thinking.

There is no such thing as free will. we are a product of Genetics and environmental influences, which are both largely out of our control. I think the best solutions would be psychiatric therapy or sterilization. There is really no other no solution. Sure we have a small chance of success at changing the environment, a very small chance, but we have almost no chance at changing or even predicting what Genes may come into play. The best and least costly solution is to just kill or sterilize people.


Once you come the grips that determinism is the our reality, then you realize what a futile effort rehabilitation would be. The "Freakanomics" authors found a significant correlation between abortions and a reduction in the crime rate in the late 90's. I don't think we can simply ignore such findings and scoff at them just because they are politically incorrect. More recent findings are finding even more controversial findings. We can either put our collective heads in the sand or we can trust and accept the scientific method.

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

You're beginning to think like a determinist. Careful, the lot the posts here don't like that type of thinking.

There is no such thing as free will. we are a product of Genetics and environmental influences, which are both largely out of our control. I think the best solutions would be psychiatric therapy or sterilization. There is really no other no solution. Sure we have a small chance of success at changing the environment, a very small chance, but we have almost no chance at changing or even predicting what Genes may come into play. The best and least costly solution is to just kill or sterilize people.


Once you come the grips that determinism is the our reality, then you realize what a futile effort rehabilitation would be. The "Freakanomics" authors found a significant correlation between abortions and a reduction in the crime rate in the late 90's. I don't think we can simply ignore such findings and scoff at them just because they are politically incorrect. More recent findings are finding even more controversial findings. We can either put our collective heads in the sand or we can trust and accept the scientific method.

This sounds like something out of mein kamf you fukking racist.

Please shut up.

 

[VerbalIntercourse]

This sounds like something out of mein kamf you fukking racst.

Please shut up.

Did you know that Hitler banned IQ tests because Jews consistently scored higher than Germans? Hitler was lost in his own ego and ideals. I believe in removing one's own wants, objectives and desires from the empirical reality in hopes of obtaining the truth.

You've done nothing to refute my claims. Let me ask you some questions?

Did you chose your parents? no.
Did you chose your Race or the economic class that you were born in? no.
Did you personally construct your own DNA? no.
Did you chose the country or geographical location of your birth? no.

These factors, among many, have a huge impact on how you will act and the decisions you will make. Yet, you have absolutely no control over these factors.

Do you really think that decision making has nothing to with Biochemistry? Do you make the same decisions when you are drunk or high? or Let my ask you this, If I where to perform a lobotomy on you, would you ever make the same type of decisions ever again in your entire life? Of course not, you'd be a completely different person.



And what about the "Cat parasite" that can effect you perception of risk? After being infected by this parasite, you will never make the same decisions. Perhaps millions of people are carrying this "bug", and it could explain certain personality types. Maybe parasite is responsible for the "crazy cat-women". Who knows? the point is: If you're infected with this parasite, can you really say your in control? or that your actually making decisions. No, you can't. Every decision that you make, after this infection, may have been made by the parasite's influence. And, because the parasite takes control by changing your brain's chemistry, then perhaps it's your brain chemistry that determines who you are, solely.

Magazine - How Your Cat Is Making You Crazy - The Atlantic

Read more: A Parasite Found In Cats Could Be Manipulating Our Brains - Business Insider

A quick google search revealed this. It's something to think about.

This also is a question we can't answer a priori; it requires evidence. (It seems to be more a question for psychology than for philosophy.)

You might think it could be answered simply by examining our own choices. I am conscious of making decisions; I then perform the corresponding actions. Doesn't that prove that I have free will?


Answer: no, it doesn't. It is entirely possible that I could have the experience of choosing freely even though in fact I never do.

To illustrate this point, consider the following examples from Daniel Wegner, The Illusion of Conscious Will (MIT Press, 2002).

First, a quotation from an article by Jose Delgado: "In one of our patients, electrical stimulation of the rostral part of the internal capsule produced head turning and slow displacement of the body to either side with a well-oriented and apparently normal sequence, as if the patient were looking for something. This stimulation was repeated six times on two different days with comparable results. The interesting fact was that the patient considered the evoked activity spontaneous and always offered a reasonable explanation for it. When asked, 'what are you doing?' the answers were, 'I am looking for my slippers', 'I heard a noise', 'I am restless', and 'I was looking under the bed'." (Wegner, p. 46.)

Second, an experiment with magnets which influence brain function. "In this experiment, a stimulation magnet was poised above the participant's head and aimed in random alternation at the motor area on either side of the brain. Then the participant was asked to move a finger whenever a click was heard (the click of the electrical switch setting off the magnet). Participants were asked to choose freely whether to move their right or left index finger on each trial. Then the magnet was moved around while they responded. Although the stimulation led the participants to have a marked preference to move the finger contralateral to the site stimulated, particularly at short response times, they continued to perceive that they were voluntarily choosing which finger to move." (Wegner, pp. 47-48.)

The point I want to make with these examples is not that we don't have free will. Rather, the point is that we can't prove that we have free will by pointing out that it seems as though we do. The examples show that it is quite possible to have the experience of free will even when we don't actually have free will itself.

 

[Bud Bundy]

I understand what you're saying but there are ways to make it out that environment,t if you really want to. Our decisions are ultimately our responsibility no matter what hand we where dealt. Life aint fair. Rehabilitation doesnt help because many of these individuals dont want help, dont believe they can be helped, and dont know a world outside of that life.

One of the posters on this site created a thread talmbout him being blessed with a plea deal that keeps him outta jail. I criticized him for selling drugs in the first place and he responds with "its punishment enough being a Black man". You cant fix that mentality in a grown ass man.

true and it is there choice to break the law and suffer the consequences.