If the NFL doesn't even test for HGH...

[YouMadd?]

Dawg if ur 6'0, you 99% aren't 250 lbs unless ur just fat or you have "help". Do you workout? You can go hard as hell in the gym and not gain 50 lbs of MUSCLE. You see your largest gains within the first year of working out.....if you are doing it properly.

There's a reason HGH isn't tested for in the NFL and its clear. If it was tested for, then I might believe you.

Also 195 lbs is not regular man weight. The average man weighs far less than that.

If I stopped working out I'd probably drop 10-15 lbs

I like how you didn't quote my entire post though


:wtfdraper: Do I work out? hahaha I'm not even gonna answer that... I've posted my pictures in the gym forum... Don't you worry about me, guy... I'm 5 ft 9.5 in, 195, and 11%body fat. Thanks for asking though

Also, the person I quoted said 195lbs was regular man weight that folks grow into, not me.... I corrected him and said that 195 is regular man weight for people who are about 5'11'' to 6'1"... Maybe you should read my entire post and the post I was responding to so you avoid confusion...

You can definitely gain 30-50 lbs of muscle in the gym... The only thing is it will take numerous cutting and bulking phases and it will take YEARS.... It definitely depends on your genetics and ability to gain too... Not everyone can do it ofcourse... You're obviously not going to just put on 50lbs of pure muscle right away... For example You might start out by putting on 15-20 lbs in a year.... Some of it being muscle and some if it being fat. Than you have to lose the fat through cutting. So at the end of the bulking and cutting phase it might only be about 7-10 lbs of muscle gain. Then you start bulking again... You do this over and over until you have totaled 50lbs of muscle gain while burning off the fat through your cutting... It is definitely possible without HGH and I've witnessed it...

And you're the one who is saying all of these NFL players are putting on 50lbs of pure muscle at the same height as you as if you know what their lifting, eating routines, and how they have grown throughout their lives... I'm assuming they have been working since high school, not just all of a sudden throwing on 50lbs of pure muscle out of nowhere...

Like I said before... @ 6'0 to 6'4 it is definitely possible to be 220-250lbs with a low bodyfat percentage without taking HGH... Takes a lot of time and work though... creatine/aminos/protein/veggies...

 

[jadillac]

how did you all let this statement go without any type of reaction? What an idiotic statement.

Great. Since they let it slide, why don't you say something about it

And while you're at it feel free to show me examples of people who refute what I'm saying and I'll concede to being wrong.

 

[YouMadd?]

how did you all let this statement go without any type of reaction? What an idiotic statement.

I've been addressing it the entire thread... I just think it is ignorant to assume just because professional athletes have more pure muscle then him at the same height that they are on HGH...

The statement is ignorant in itself... How does he know that the player is 50lbs of pure muscle more than him?

 

[AITheAnswerAI]

You're talking about going hard in the gym to put on muscle, but consuming more calories (clean) is key to putting on more muscle.

You really do come off as a bitter ass dude.

Just because you do whatever you do in the gym 4 days a week doesn't mean you know what you're doing. Most people think they know, but they really don't. Their training sucks, their eating habits aren't that good, and they jump to the roid conclusions over anyone who's more ripped than them.

The hgh is used mostly for recovery purposes, and I personally don't see anything wrong with it.

 

[AITheAnswerAI]

All athletes are on some type of performance drug. Just accept it.

That's not true, but if saying that makes you feel better about being a slob then so be it. You can even pull the morally superior card, every time you see some big ripped dude, and you become insecure over your ass.

 

[mastermind]

Great. Since they let it slide, why don't you say something about it

And while you're at it feel free to show me examples of people who refute what I'm saying and I'll concede to being wrong.

first, you have no idea if it 50 lbs more than you. You have no idea except you just guessing.

Secondly, your dumbass workout regime isnt the same as what these NFL players have. They work with world class sports scientists that designate workout plans specifically for them. Its not a rink-a-dink workout plan you read in Men's Health or GQ. And they also have a world class strength coach on their ass, and the peer pressure of world class athletes to push them.

Thirdly, "I eat pretty well." Cool, they eat foods that are specifically designed to attuned towards specific muscle growth, targeting specific cells. They have world class nutritionists. A lot of them dont consume ANY empty calories.

They also spend most of the day working, or conscious of their bodies and getting in proper shape. Its the opposite of your 2 hours in the gym.

Also, these people have been working out like this since they were 18.

So yeah, keep comparing yourself to professional athletes, and keep getting moist that you aint on their level.

I've been addressing it the entire thread... I just think it is ignorant to assume just because professional athletes have more pure muscle then him at the same height that they are on HGH...

The statement is ignorant in itself... How does he know that the player is 50lbs of pure muscle more than him?

he does that a lot. He likes to assume and his ignorance gets the best of him.

 

[mastermind]

lastly, like @FaTaL said earlier, their is no clean HGH testing with the IOC, so I doubt the NFL has one. This is all lip service to dumbass media types.

 

[jadillac]

ce gets the best of him.

That's all well & good and it sounds great, and for SOME players that is true. But you have no more proof of applying it to every professional athlete than I do for what I'm saying. Let's see what happens when/if they ever able to start testing for HGH. The govt are the ones pushing for it.

I'd bet money you'll see players noticeably smaller than they are now.

You're talking about going hard in the gym to put on muscle, but consuming more calories (clean) is key to putting on more muscle.

You really do come off as a bitter ass dude.

Just because you do whatever you do in the gym 4 days a week doesn't mean you know what you're doing. Most people think they know, but they really don't. Their training sucks, their eating habits aren't that good, and they jump to the roid conclusions over anyone who's more ripped than them.

The hgh is used mostly for recovery purposes, and I personally don't see anything wrong with it.

I'm failing to see how I sound bitter. I guess text doesnt translate well.
I have nothing to be bitter about. I'm not trying to be in teh NFL, nor did I ever hope to be.


The entire point of this is, as I've stated, is why be a hypocrite over Deer Spray and other legal basic things on the "Banned list" that I, a regular guy, can buy at Vitamin Shoppe and then not test(or even attempt to) for HGH which is obtained illegally and by fraudulent prescriptions.

 

[Tom Foolery]

That's not true, but if saying that makes you feel better about being a slob then so be it. You can even pull the morally superior card, every time you see some big ripped dude, and you become insecure over your ass.

They said the same shyt about baseball. Look how that turned out.

And sorry breh, I'm comfortable with who I am. I'm not looking for some roid head to be a father figure for me.

 

[mastermind]

That's all well & good and it sounds great, and for SOME players that is true. But you have no more proof of applying it to every professional athlete than I do for what I'm saying. Let's see what happens when/if they ever able to start testing for HGH. The govt are the ones pushing for it.

I'd bet money you'll see players noticeably smaller than they are now.

I have no proof?

that is what happens. Its exactly what happens. Dont be stupid.

And I am not oblivious to HGH use, what I am saying is dont compare your weak ass regimin and nutrition to what pro athletes go through. Its not the same.

 

[jadillac]

I have no proof?

that is what happens. Its exactly what happens. Dont be stupid.

And I am not oblivious to HGH use, what I am saying is dont compare your weak ass regimin and nutrition to what pro athletes go through. Its not the same.

Again, you have no proof of what every athletes regimen is anymore than I do.

And if "you're not oblivious to HGH use", then which is it? Everyone is training the way you claim, or are they not?

And yeah, keep believing these guys are all eating proper nutrition. A number of them drink like crazy and eat pizza, McDonalds, and other junk food on a fairly regular basis.

 

[Brady-Carter]

HGH needs to be legal in the NFL, if it helps dudes heal faster.. Word to Hot Rod.

 

[mastermind]

Again, you have no proof of what every athletes regimen is anymore than I do.

And if "you're not oblivious to HGH use", then which is it? Everyone is training the way you claim, or are they not?

there is no black and white here, jadillac. A player can use HGH and still have this strenuous regimen.

More than that, HGH is mostly used for recovery.

And yeah, keep believing these guys are all eating proper nutrition. A good number of them drink like crazy and eat pizza, McDonalds, and other junk food.

I am not oblivious of this. The issue here is that there is a big difference between focusing on your body most of the day and being paid to stay in shape versus what you are doing.

My whole beef is you comparing your workout to a pro athletes. Dont do that, its stupid.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

I don't think most of us care about the steriod/hgh use. Its moreso the painkillers I think about. But lord knows they need that kind of stuff. The amount of physical punishment they put their bodies through. Honestly it would probably be best to legalize marijuana for their sake.

 

[Majestic Pape]

Dawg, YES THEY DO.

If not, then it'd be no big deal when players get popped for using something on the NFL "banned substance list". The first thing that pops into your mind is steroids or some sort of other physical performance enhancer.

Just like when Shawne Merriman got caught a few years ago and people were immediately claiming steroids.

IS Roscoe Parrish clean? Probably so........but a 6'0 255 LB is probably not.



Yeah, I'm really bitter.

I'm a 190 lbs my dude. I have nothing to be bitter about. I'm not trying to get to the NFL or any other sport.

I'm just saying it's stupid/hypocritical to make a big deal about Deer Spray or other generic stuff when there's HGH running rampant and a refusal to test for it.

There really wasn't much of a fan backlash over Shawne Merriman. Especially when you compare it to what happens when baseball players get caught. Just like nobody cared in the NBA when Rashard Lewis got caught roiding up.