If the NFL doesn't even test for HGH...

[YouMadd?]

LOL @ you thinking he did it without help

:wtfdraper: LOL @ you think gaining 35-50 pounds of muscle in 3 years is an act that would require any "help" beyond the normal legal methods...

 

[shopthatwrecks]

if a star gets fukked up in a game...team doctors better let em heal like common folk..instead of speeding up the process

n teams should deal with

 

[FTBS]

its been proved that hgh actually can make a person have muscle growth and fat loss without any working out at all

not to the extent that it does with a training regimen but still you can sit around on it and still get some results

Big difference between some results and dominating the NFL. I never denied that HGH or other PEDs have certain benefits. However to truly get the most out of it you gotta put major work in.

 

[FTBS]

:wtfdraper: LOL @ you think gaining 35-50 pounds of muscle in 3 years is an act that would require any "help" beyond the normal legal methods...

I did it. It's very doable with the right nutrition and workout regimen. Of course you have your hard gainers but most people could do this if they put their mind to it.

 

[Yuzo Lightheart]

you said he was 195 thats a regular man weight that you grow into but that 220-250 solid is unachievable without that "help" though

 

[YouMadd?]

you said he was 195 thats a regular man weight that you grow into but that 220-250 solid is unachievable without that "help" though

Uhh 195 is regular man weight for someone who is like 5'11-6'1"... My friend is 5'9' and got to 195 lbs'... The typical weight that someone grows into at 5'9'' is 165-170 pounds not 195...

So imagine a 6'0" to 6'4" NFL player... 220 to 250 is definitely achievable without "help" if you really want to do it...

 

[Arcavian]

Testing might be coming soon...

Roger Goodell says agreement close on HGH testing - ESPN

but I like hgh in my football

 

[Tom Foolery]

All athletes are on some type of performance drug. Just accept it.

 

[iPod Raheem 2.0]

My only question would be would you still hold it against them if they used "legal" PEDs? The reality is that there are certain advantages in nutrition, supplements, and training now that are perfectly legal and allowed, that just weren't around 30 or 40 years ago. There will be advancements made in the future as well. The line is so blurred between what is natural and acceptable and what is illicit that IMO it's not worth even worrying about. When you have guys this competitive and this kind of money on the line, it's simply unrealistic to expect guys not to look to gain whatever edge they can. Old school guys used whatever advantages that were available to them and many of them would use these current PEDs if they were around in their time.

That's a fair point.

And this blurry and sometimes shifting line about what's natural/unnatural, legal/illegal, and acceptable/unacceptable makes things...complicated. I guess I'll punt for now.

I still all the guys that do whatever they can to gain an edge...within the boundaries of what's considered legal and acceptable for their time. Especially if it's all "natural"...but, yes, I can't prove it's "natural".

 

[The Fukin Prophecy]

We have had this convo. I'm not sure how much I care. I'd probably still watch for sure. When it comes to discussing legacy is where it would come out the most. Let's say Ray Lewis, Megatron, Drew Brees, and AP are found to use PEDs. Well, I can no longer put them in the conversations of the dikkt Butkuses, Jerry Rices, Dan Marinos, and Jim Browns.

Right because you're a regular old Einstein who knows for a fact none of them ever used peds...

I love how fools like you try to act like PED's never existed in sports before the year 2000...

 

[iPod Raheem 2.0]

Right because you're a regular old Einstein who knows for a fact none of them ever used peds...

I love how fools like you try to act like PED's never existed in sports before the year 2000...

Naw, I know they were here in 1999, too

 

[cook]

its just not a big deal in football. its expected that these guys use PEDs and who can really blame them. theres no sacred home run record to get the media fired up and guys have always been doing some sort of extra shyt to get an edge. i remember when rodney harrison got caught with hgh and that was basically forgotten about after a few weeks.

 

[Easy-E]

Ya'll got me feelin' bad for watchin' football

 

[jadillac]

Uhh 195 is regular man weight

So imagine a 6'0" to 6'4" NFL player... 220 to 250 is definitely achievable without "help" if you really want to do it...

Dawg if ur 6'0, you 99% aren't 250 lbs unless ur just fat or you have "help". Do you workout? You can go hard as hell in the gym and not gain 50 lbs of MUSCLE. You see your largest gains within the first year of working out.....if you are doing it properly.

There's a reason HGH isn't tested for in the NFL and its clear. If it was tested for, then I might believe you.

Also 195 lbs is not regular man weight. The average man weighs far less than that.

If I stopped working out I'd probably drop 10-15 lbs

 

[mastermind]

No wonder these dudes can be the same height/age as me, but weigh 50 lbs more of nothing but pure muscle....despite the fact that I workout 4 days a week, eat right and have for years.

how did you all let this statement go without any type of reaction? What an idiotic statement.