If the NFL doesn't even test for HGH...

[FaTaL]

then what are we doing?
What's the point of testing for anything?

No wonder these dudes can be the same height/age as me, but weigh 50 lbs more of nothing but pure muscle....despite the fact that I workout 4 days a week, eat right and have for years.

There's not enough maltodextrin shakes in the world to make up that difference. Nor does being a "freak of nature" make things THAT uneven.

Why make a big deal about players using natural Deer Spray when dudes are HGH'd up to the gills?


It's no wonder why the NFL quietly continues to push this issue to the backburner every time it's brought up.

there is no legitmate test for HGH

the IOC has tried and failed

its all talk, there just saying there going to start testing for it but the tests dont work, hgh leaves the body too quick

 

[iPod Raheem 2.0]

If you're hurt, nothing should be against the rules to get healthy. As long as a 3rd party dr approves it. HGH or whatever.

Its using it to build muscles and sh1t that needs to be stopped.

Aren't these guys always hurt, though?

Also, even if you are only using it for healing purposes, isn't also building muscle?

 

[FTBS]

I agree wholeheartedly that people acknowledge that football's a gladiator sport and to a large extent they are not only ok with that but they are drawn to it. It's pure blood thirst at some level. I also agree that for some odd reason the media seems to be not at all suspicious of what is probably rampant PED use. My guess is that it has something to do with the extreme popularity of football and it generating crazy money not just for the League but probably for the media itself. I'm sure they do not want to do anything that might jeopardize the cash cow.

I disagree with the bolded. I care. Part of the awe and marvel of sports for me is the at least illusion that these guys are so "naturally gifted." As I said before, I'll be less impressed if/when it comes out that some of my favorite athletes are juicing. I'm not saying that their accomplishments should be completely thrown in the bushes. And that they aren't skilled at all. I'm just saying, for me, these guys are great because of that skill and their "natural athletic ability," whatever that means today.

We've had this discussion before and I respect you POV although I don't necessarily agree with it. The reality is that you are in the minority. Most people truly don't care. Even many of those who swear they do truly don't when it comes down to it.

And exactly how much to you care? Would you stop watching and going to games if you knew guys were juiced. What you acknowledge as impressive is not as representative of how much you care as your support.

 

[Montez]

If you're hurt, nothing should be against the rules to get healthy. As long as a 3rd party dr approves it. HGH or whatever.

Its using it to build muscles and sh1t that needs to be stopped.

Players could always say they're injured tho.

 

[Doin2Much Williams]

No homo, i was in a club in vegas last halloween and a few Niners were in the building...


When i was trying to look for an exit, i bumped into this tall, built brotha - asked him if he knew how to get out cuz i was drunk as shiit and confused about life... he said "Yeah" and pointed that way.

I gave hiim the typical "wrap around arm hug" and a dap. As soon as my arm reach around his upper torso, the shiit felt like a fukkin' piece of steel.

Asked him, "awe shiit, you one of the niners?"

"Crabtree".


I was like, "Ahhh shiit, y'all barely beat my seahawks a fews weeks ago, we'll see when y'all get in town."

He laughed and replied, "We'll see."


Greatest night ever (not just because of that, i got laid in sin city for the first time from a broad i met in there, i think it was the LAX club. Any who, and no i didn't pay. :P).


Shiit was cool though.


Back to the question at hand. If they ever test for HGH, that's basically the end of football as we know it.


The commission wouldn't jeopardize billions of dollars for stupid testing. I'm not an ethical person so i don't care - i just wnat to see good entertainment from burly, built, cawk strong athletes who are courteous enough to tell me where a club exit is when i'm shiitfaced as fidduck.





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[iPod Raheem 2.0]

We've had this discussion before and I respect you POV although I don't necessarily agree with it. The reality is that you are in the minority. Most people truly don't care. Even many of those who swear they do truly don't when it comes down to it.

And exactly how much to you care? Would you stop watching and going to games if you knew guys were juiced. What you acknowledge as impressive is not as representative of how much you care as your support.

We have had this convo. I'm not sure how much I care. I'd probably still watch for sure. When it comes to discussing legacy is where it would come out the most. Let's say Ray Lewis, Megatron, Drew Brees, and AP are found to use PEDs. Well, I can no longer put them in the conversations of the dikkt Butkuses, Jerry Rices, Dan Marinos, and Jim Browns. If it comes out that Kobe has used PEDs, LWO can no longer say with a straight face that Kobe is >>> MJ. It's like with baseball, I don't really respect what Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, and Sammy Sosa did. On the contrary, I respect the hell out of someone like Derek Jeter (who is clean as far as we know ) who had to compete against these cheaters and still excelled.

I would also care as far as competition and the integrity of the game goes. For fairness purposes, we have to have a game where everyone is on an equal playing field. If the playing field is grossly unequal, I'm not even sure I want to watch.

 

[FTBS]

We have had this convo. I'm not sure how much I care. I'd probably still watch for sure. When it comes to discussing legacy is where it would come out the most. Let's say Ray Lewis, Megatron, Drew Brees, and AP are found to use PEDs. Well, I can no longer put them in the conversations of the dikkt Butkuses, Dan Marinos, and Jim Browns. If it comes out that Kobe has used PEDs, LWO can no longer say with a straight face that Kobe is >>> MJ. It's like with baseball, I don't really respect what Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, and Sammy Sosa did. On the contrary, I respect the hell out of someone like Derek Jeter (who is clean as far as we know ) who had to compete against these cheaters and still excelled.

I would also care as far as competition and the integrity of the game goes. For fairness purposes, we have to have a game where everyone is on an equal playing field. If the playing field is grossly unequal, I'm not even sure I want to watch.

My only question would be would you still hold it against them if they used "legal" PEDs? The reality is that there are certain advantages in nutrition, supplements, and training now that are perfectly legal and allowed, that just weren't around 30 or 40 years ago. There will be advancements made in the future as well. The line is so blurred between what is natural and acceptable and what is illicit that IMO it's not worth even worrying about. When you have guys this competitive and this kind of money on the line, it's simply unrealistic to expect guys not to look to gain whatever edge they can. Old school guys used whatever advantages that were available to them and many of them would use these current PEDs if they were around in their time.

 

[jadillac]

Are they NFL players? Are they even close? No matter what you are taking you gotta put in work at that level. Yeah PEDs help you recover faster and help you get more results faster but you still gotta put in work. Beyond that some people just naturally got more results faster than others. That's life. If it's that important to you why don't you just use something? I always annoys me how people complain about other people using PEDs as if they aren't available to them.

Oh really, HGH is easily accessible to any and everybody?

And who said it was important to me? I'm just making a point of how the NFL is hypocritical. A player can get punished for buying something from Vitamin Shoppe or GNC....but not for HGH they obtained thru illegal means.

 

[YouMadd?]

TS sound bitter as fukk... I've witnessed my old roommate put on 35-50 lbs of pure muscle in 3 years(He went from skinny fat 145 to a SOLID as fukk 195)... I'm sure if he can... Professional athletes who dedicate their entire lives to working out can do the same without hgh

 

[jadillac]

Not really. I don't think there's anybody who even wants people to believe that all of these guys are clean. And frankly, none of the fans (or even the sportswriters who claim to be the "pulse" of the fans) give a fukk either. This ain't baseball.

Dawg, YES THEY DO.

If not, then it'd be no big deal when players get popped for using something on the NFL "banned substance list". The first thing that pops into your mind is steroids or some sort of other physical performance enhancer.

Just like when Shawne Merriman got caught a few years ago and people were immediately claiming steroids.

IS Roscoe Parrish clean? Probably so........but a 6'0 255 LB is probably not.

TS sound bitter as fukk... I've witnessed my old roommate put on 35-50 lbs of pure muscle in 3 years(He went from skinny fat 145 to a SOLID as fukk 195)... I'm sure if he can... Professional athletes who dedicate their entire lives to working out can do the same without hgh

Yeah, I'm really bitter.

I'm a 190 lbs my dude. I have nothing to be bitter about. I'm not trying to get to the NFL or any other sport.

I'm just saying it's stupid/hypocritical to make a big deal about Deer Spray or other generic stuff when there's HGH running rampant and a refusal to test for it.

 

[FTBS]

Oh really, HGH is easily accessible to any and everybody?

And who said it was important to me? I'm just making a point of how the NFL is hypocritical. A player can get punished for buying something from Vitamin Shoppe or GNC....but not for HGH they obtained thru illegal means.

You said yourself nikkas in your gym are using it. It's not plutonium. Let's be real we all know somebody who can pretty much get anything you want.

You said it was important by making a thread about it. The issue with HGH as well as many other PEDs that we don't even know about is detectability. You can only punish a person for something that you actually find in their system.

 

[Reggie]

Ima huge football fan but since they went on a big time investigation for steroids in baseball then it's time they do the same for football. As well as basketball. You would think they would have been went after them, knowing they are considered the "black sport" unlike baseball. Because these little stories like Ray Lewis keep happening and getting swept under the rug and no says a think. And just like Rashard Lewis and OJ Mayo getting caught with illegal substances. These can't be isolated cases in leagues that big.

 

[YouMadd?]

Yeah, I'm really bitter.

I'm a 190 lbs my dude. I have nothing to be bitter about. I'm not trying to get to the NFL or any other sport.

I'm just saying it's stupid/hypocritical to make a big deal about Deer Spray or other generic stuff when there's HGH running rampant and a refusal to test for it.

If all you're saying is it is stupid to make a big deal about deer spray, than thats great.... However, Your initial post and the basis for your argument just came off in a real bitter/haterish way:

then what are we doing?
What's the point of testing for anything?

No wonder these dudes can be the same height/age as me, but weigh 50 lbs more of nothing but pure muscle....despite the fact that I workout 4 days a week, eat right and have for years.

There's not enough maltodextrin shakes in the world to make up that difference. Nor does being a "freak of nature" make things THAT uneven.

Why make a big deal about players using natural Deer Spray when dudes are HGH'd up to the gills?


It's no wonder why the NFL quietly continues to push this issue to the backburner every time it's brought up.

This posts read to me like, "NFL players can accomplish a more impressive physique than me(50 more lbs of muscle on the same frame as me) so they must be on HGH"

This sounds like some bitter shyt to try and say that they are using HGH just because YOU can't/haven't done it. I was just providing an example that proves that you can definitely have maximal muscle gain without HGH... Just because you workout 4 times a week and "eat right" doesn't really mean shyt... If you want to put on 50 more pounds of muscle to your frame you can definitely accomplish that without HGH. Not saying you want to, but just saying, it can be done without HGH

I agree, making a big deal out of the anter spray stuff is weak, but I don't agree with you bout the HGH thing. I think more players than you think are blessed with the workout ethic to get the way they are without HGH and some are freaks of nature in that they can gain more muscle than others...

 

[Carlos Huerta]

TS sound bitter as fukk... I've witnessed my old roommate put on 35-50 lbs of pure muscle in 3 years(He went from skinny fat 145 to a SOLID as fukk 195)... I'm sure if he can... Professional athletes who dedicate their entire lives to working out can do the same without hgh

LOL @ you thinking he did it without help

 

[Yuzo Lightheart]

You can't just take HGH and sit on your couch all day and be great.

its been proved that hgh actually can make a person have muscle growth and fat loss without any working out at all

not to the extent that it does with a training regimen but still you can sit around on it and still get some results