If Rick Ross doesn't sell more than TM103 will it be considered a flop?

[JustCKing]

everybody has expectations how low u want Rosses to be? How much lower can his sells be than a man that's dead for it not to be a flop?and stop usin Chris Brown as a comparison...dude had the biggest record of his career with Deuces,and Look At Me Now....this time around he had absolutely nuthing...u think his fans gon buy shyt after hearing nuthin but bs singles just cuz he chris brown....I'm pretty sure that Graffiti album flopped for the same reason his most recent one did....Nicki minaj had the same issues,and she wuz no longer "new" so she sold less numbers after them wack singles she dropped even her fans didn't fuk with....stop usin them two as examples,it doesn't fit....I don't even think Ross will flop so I don't know why y'all think ima "spin" anything.

Chris Brown is a comparison b/c he's a major artist whose sales declined in comparison to 2011. This year, Chris scored his 11th Top Ten hit with "Turn Up The Music" and still didn't do the numbers he did last year. That song was bigger than "Deuces".

Nicki also had a huge single. LOL @ her not selling b/c she's no longer new and her dropping wack singles. Neither has ever stopped an artist from selling before.

 

[JustCKing]

wayne would still do those numbers, u nikkas are in denial now.


nicki minaj went pop which is why her sales declined,artist like wayne and jeezy has loyal fanbases and much diverse audiences unlike ross.


regardless of sales gfid will be the hottest album in the streets until dreams and nightmares drop, but if he dosent go more than 200k first week then that's a major dissapointment especialy with all the promo he is getting not to mention he has his own promotion with his videos.

There is nothing that indicates that Wayne would do 960K+ in this climate.

Nicki going Pop is a factor, but her first week numbers also suffered, not just her overall sales.

Wayne does have diverse fanbase, but Jeezy and Ross are in the same boat in terms of fanbase. There's not that much of a margin between the two of them in terms of fanbase even though Jeezy's a slightly bigger draw.

 

[Harry B]

Chris Brown is a comparison b/c he's a major artist whose sales declined in comparison to 2011. This year, Chris scored his 11th Top Ten hit with "Turn Up The Music" and still didn't do the numbers he did last year. That song was bigger than "Deuces".

Nicki also had a huge single. LOL @ her not selling b/c she's no longer new and her dropping wack singles. Neither has ever stopped an artist from selling before.

People are tired of Chris, they love him, then they hate him, then they love him and on. And singles are not 100% correlated with record sales, those techno records he's dropping didn't convince enough people to buy his album. And his last album had like 3-4 top 15 songs, not 1 techno joint like the latest album.

His last album did 270k and the album before that 100k.

His best selling album did 295k FW and 2 mills total back in 07.
So if we wanna weigh factors, Chris Browns sales can't be compared with a rapper. Pop sales work differently. Nicki Minaj has lost a lot of fans, some of her videos had more dislikes than likes and she's been clowned hard, failed performances and on. Why exactly should she sell the same amount? She dropped 4 months after Jeezy and all of a sudden the market is fukked up? Jeezy sold about 50k less than The Recession, and the recession had the #1 rap/rnb song in the nation and was heavily promoted. Is he immune to the market?

BTW Madonna and Bieber both did better FW than they did with their last album. So that thing about 8 months being a difference


I think Ross will sell more than Jeezy and after all this grind he deserves to sell a lot this time around.

 

[Gotright]

the whole hood got this shyt already

 

[Jone2three45]

the whole hood got this shyt already

 

[kermit da hustla]

Tstreets dont roll with ross. The suburbs do.

are you nikkas delusional? do you ever think a day will come when you'll step outside your homes and acquaint yourselves with the real world? that's the reason i don't even see ross moving 200K. that nikka will reach around 160 - 180k, the range i expect for a rapper of ross' type. the nikka is not making any songs that appeal to white people or cornball nikkas. let's keep it real. he makes hard ass trap music. you think white people are going to bang hold me back??? chicks? fukk no. hood nikkas, and that demo is not buying cds at any appreciable level.

but this is why none of this shyt MATTERS, when we talk about ross, because the STREETS love ross. ross has the best movement in the game. his artists are selling because they're marketable. his video game is remarkable. his whole grind gains respect from big wigs in the industry, which is why he's been able to parlay that into other profitable ventures (mmg, specifically).

rick ross is almost like a glorified a&r. a damn talented one, at that. he knows how to put together dope albums. he has one of the best ear for beats. not just for his projects, but for other artists he works with/coaches. and people take notice of that. his music is about grinding, getting your team together, and making that money. nikkas in the streets fukk with that.

he will do 160-180 first week, give or take. the album's release will be immediately followed by several dope videos. singles will buzz. he'll create a synergistic relationship with meek's upcoming album that will benefit his own, only adding to more sales. ross knows what he's doing. GFID will DEFINITELY outsell tm103, at the end of the day.

 

[Mowgli]

are you nikkas delusional? do you ever think a day will come when you'll step outside your homes and acquaint yourselves with the real world? that's the reason i don't even see ross moving 200K. that nikka will reach around 160 - 180k, the range i expect for a rapper of ross' type. the nikka is not making any songs that appeal to white people or cornball nikkas. let's keep it real. he makes hard ass trap music. you think white people are going to bang hold me back??? chicks? fukk no. hood nikkas, and that demo is not buying cds at any appreciable level.

but this is why none of this shyt MATTERS, when we talk about ross, because the STREETS love ross. ross has the best movement in the game. his artists are selling because they're marketable. his video game is remarkable. his whole grind gains respect from big wigs in the industry, which is why he's been able to parlay that into other profitable ventures (mmg, specifically).

rick ross is almost like a glorified a&r. a damn talented one, at that. he knows how to put together dope albums. he has one of the best ear for beats. not just for his projects, but for other artists he works with/coaches. and people take notice of that. his music is about grinding, getting your team together, and making that money. nikkas in the streets fukk with that.

he will do 160-180 first week, give or take. the album's release will be immediately followed by several dope videos. singles will buzz. he'll create a synergistic relationship with meek's upcoming album that will benefit his own, only adding to more sales. ross knows what he's doing. GFID will DEFINITELY outsell tm103, at the end of the day.

Maybach music is not trap music. Sit down. Jeezy outsells ross with no promotion because he has a connection to the streets. Ross making elegant hiphop tracks and mixes in a few trap songs to pretend like hes doin it for the streets. Im sorry but you have no idea what you're talking about and this paragraph was not needed. His new album is straight and the suburbs will love it.

 

[kermit da hustla]

Maybach music is not trap music. Sit down. Jeezy outsells ross with no promotion because he has a connection to the streets. Ross making elegant hiphop tracks and mixes in a few trap songs to pretend like hes doin it for the streets. Im sorry but you have no idea what you're talking about and this paragraph was not needed. His new album is straight and the suburbs will love it.

rich forever is nothing but straight trap music. yella diamonds. untouchable, etc. ross doesn't make trap music? rich forever didn't have the streets on lock? nikkas in the streets don't fukk with ross?

 

[JustCKing]

People are tired of Chris, they love him, then they hate him, then they love him and on. And singles are not 100% correlated with record sales, those techno records he's dropping didn't convince enough people to buy his album. And his last album had like 3-4 top 15 songs, not 1 techno joint like the latest album.

His last album did 270k and the album before that 100k.

His best selling album did 295k FW and 2 mills total back in 07.
So if we wanna weigh factors, Chris Browns sales can't be compared with a rapper. Pop sales work differently. Nicki Minaj has lost a lot of fans, some of her videos had more dislikes than likes and she's been clowned hard, failed performances and on. Why exactly should she sell the same amount? She dropped 4 months after Jeezy and all of a sudden the market is fukked up? Jeezy sold about 50k less than The Recession, and the recession had the #1 rap/rnb song in the nation and was heavily promoted. Is he immune to the market?

BTW Madonna and Bieber both did better FW than they did with their last album. So that thing about 8 months being a difference


I think Ross will sell more than Jeezy and after all this grind he deserves to sell a lot this time around.

In regard to Chris Brown, why even bring up him having 3-4 Top 15 singles if according to you they don't correlate to sales? If that's the case, discussing his singles is irrelevant. What does making Techno music have to do with this situation especially since his last album had similar songs to "Turn Up The Music" ("Yeah 3X", "Beautiful People" and those were also singles)?

The market isn't messed up because of Nicki's sales declined, it's messed up all across the board. There's not much of a comparison to record sales this year in comparison to last year. Only one album has barely reached platinum this year period. This time last year, there was one triple platinum album and an album that was well past platinum .

Some artists have sold more in their first weeks this year than their previous releases. Still that doesn't negate that 2012 has put up poor stats overall in comparison to last year.

 

[Mowgli]

rich forever is nothing but straight trap music. yella diamonds. untouchable, etc. ross doesn't make trap music? rich forever didn't have the streets on lock? nikkas in the streets don't fukk with ross?

O, that mixtape. I guess he put that out for his zombie fans so they wouldnt bytch and moan once his album came out.

 

[Harry B]

In regard to Chris Brown, why even bring up him having 3-4 Top 15 singles if according to you they don't correlate to sales? If that's the case, discussing his singles is irrelevant. What does making Techno music have to do with this situation especially since his last album had similar songs to "Turn Up The Music" ("Yeah 3X", "Beautiful People" and those were also singles)?

The market isn't messed up because of Nicki's sales declined, it's messed up all across the board. There's not much of a comparison to record sales this year in comparison to last year. Only one album has barely reached platinum this year period. This time last year, there was one triple platinum album and an album that was well past platinum .

Some artists have sold more in their first weeks this year than their previous releases. Still that doesn't negate that 2012 has put up poor stats overall in comparison to last year.

1. I brought up CB's singles cause he had 3 more singles in the top 20 this time and they were mixed singles tech, rnb and even hiphop. I didn't say they weren't correlated I said they weren't 100% correlated. There is a range of factors singles being 1. And this time around he had 1 hot single and it was techno.

2. Madonna and Justin Bieber sold more first week, a flop is selling less than expected and no one who was expected to sell a lot has been out besides acts like Carrie Underwood, Madonna, Linkin Park and Bieber and they all matched or topped their previous sales. Just cause Future did 40k first week and Wayne a million doesn't mean that the market is down, just that 25 times more cats were interested in Waynes album. Just the other day an indie cat like Frank Ocean without a single out did 130k first week on iTunes.

 

[King Karim]

ross and jeezy both def jam. i def cant call this one. hold me back aint a pop single though. ross better drop another video before album drops

a whole 8 hours huh?

 

[King Karim]

No matter what numbers GFID does, people that don't like Ross will spin it as a flop.

In reality, one's numbers don't have anything to do with the other. Yes, they are rivals, but it's not like there was a challenge presented by either side in regard to album sales.

If it is a matter of numbers, then there's several factors to consider:

1) Jeezy dropped during the holiday season in which first week sales usually higher than normal for most artists.

2) Jeezy dropped in a climate in which Wayne did like 960K+ in one week and Drake did 680K+. Ross is dropping in a climate in which one of the biggest artists out there did 250K+.

^^^ I'm sure both 1 & 2 will be ignored by spin artists who will consider Ross's album a flop regardless.

climate? - Dec. 20th 2011 compared to July 31st 2012 - climate?

 

[King Karim]

at the Christmas excuse

if thats the case why don't JayZ and Em only drop near Christmas?

or the majority of heavy hitter albums...Why wouldn't Def Jam just hold Ross off for a few more months?

Most folks didn't even know it was out b/c of all the pre - blunders....It was a literally "I'll believe it when I see it" to the casual hiphop consumer who don't spend every day on websites/forums...and its a good % of them out there.

 

[swerve]

are you nikkas delusional? do you ever think a day will come when you'll step outside your homes and acquaint yourselves with the real world? that's the reason i don't even see ross moving 200K. that nikka will reach around 160 - 180k, the range i expect for a rapper of ross' type. the nikka is not making any songs that appeal to white people or cornball nikkas. let's keep it real. he makes hard ass trap music. you think white people are going to bang hold me back??? chicks? fukk no. hood nikkas, and that demo is not buying cds at any appreciable level.

but this is why none of this shyt MATTERS, when we talk about ross, because the STREETS love ross. ross has the best movement in the game. his artists are selling because they're marketable. his video game is remarkable. his whole grind gains respect from big wigs in the industry, which is why he's been able to parlay that into other profitable ventures (mmg, specifically).

rick ross is almost like a glorified a&r. a damn talented one, at that. he knows how to put together dope albums. he has one of the best ear for beats. not just for his projects, but for other artists he works with/coaches. and people take notice of that. his music is about grinding, getting your team together, and making that money. nikkas in the streets fukk with that.

he will do 160-180 first week, give or take. the album's release will be immediately followed by several dope videos. singles will buzz. he'll create a synergistic relationship with meek's upcoming album that will benefit his own, only adding to more sales. ross knows what he's doing. GFID will DEFINITELY outsell tm103, at the end of the day.

you not from some hood


Ross need to do 300k+ to not be considered a flop. Thats a consensus.