If Muhammad is seen as a human being why all the uproar when people make fun of him?

[alybaba]

Yup, in Karachi.

 

[Type Username Here]

Yup, in Karachi.

Stay safe buddy. I know some would have you killed for the things you say on here. I don't take it for granted.

 

[wize fool]

When did I say hijabs should be banned? Hijabs aren't banned all over the west, and certainly not in America, nor should they be. I'm not even suggesting that most Muslim societies force women to wear them. The point is that the pressures on women to dress this way or that here are not enforced by ridiculous punishments, even if they are still unfair, so your attempt to draw an equivalency is flawed.

Look at the Taliban, for example:

"In December 1996, Radio Shari’a announced that 225 Kabul women had been seized and punished for violating the sharia code of dress. The sentence was handed down by a tribunal and the women were lashed on their legs and backs for their misdemeanor."

Or what about places like Iran and Saudi Arabia, where head-covering for women is still mandatory by law? And what about the many smaller communities in other countries where it is enforced by local, non-legal, traditional authority?

Obviously, there is no such parallel in the US or the West at large. Women aren't legally punished or formally prevented from being successful citizens if they do or don't dress in a particular way, even if you factor in gender discrimination, which is obviously still a problem here.


And finally, my point about sexuality still stands. The whole idea of purdah and female "modesty" in Islamic societies is just as based in sexuality and the proliferation of sexuality as pressures in the West to wear revealing clothing or get plastic surgery or what have you. They are two sides of a single, patriarchal coin.

When did I say you said hijabs should be banned?

It's apparent you completely missed my point so I'll reiterate. Even in places where it is supposedly mandatory the women still choose to wear it.

I would also like to point out that Muslim men have a dress code too but it's just not as blatant because men don't typically dress half naked in this society anyway.

There are other differences between Muslim and Western women as well. For example, it is a Muslim woman's right to be completely taken care of financially by her husband. The man pays her a dowry at marriage that she must agree to, meaning she has the right to ask for more. Muslim women are protected by Muslim men and by their dress as well. And mothers are given the highest honor in Islam.

 

[Type Username Here]

When did I say you said hijabs should be banned?

It's apparent you completely missed my point so I'll reiterate. Even in places where it is supposedly mandatory the women still choose to wear it.

I would also like to point out that Muslim men have a dress code too but it's just not as blatant because men don't typically dress half naked in this society anyway.

There are other differences between Muslim and Western women as well. For example, it is a Muslim woman's right to be completely taken care of financially by her husband. The man pays her a dowry at marriage that she must agree to, meaning she has the right to ask for more. Muslim women are protected by Muslim men and by their dress as well. And mothers are given the highest honor in Islam.

This person has been caught discussing, commenting and admitting to masturbating over naked pictures of women and pornography. He has also admitted to smoking marijuana, gambling, and drinking.

I'm just going to remind everyone anytime he makes a comment.

 

[BlackZilla]

wize fool do you jack off to Jada-Fire. That would sorta hurt your argument.

 

[Broke Wave]

I thought the people on here were progressives? What ever happened to a "Golden Mean"?

I can understand not liking Islam, or Islamic culture, or anything theological about Islam, but what I find troubling is your depiction of Muslims as primitive, irrational and violent. You are buying into the same propaganda used against Jews in the 1930's. I do not mean this hyperbolically, but literally. The idea that Muslims are people with a propensity to secrecy and violence, with dual loyalty is deeply troubling and its sad to see even some educated posters falling to the blatant propaganda is embarrassing.

When largely White, European and Christian nations have been meddling in Arab affairs for the last hundred years, supporting wahabbism, supporting Al Qaeda, propping up dictatorships, supporting the aggressor state of Israel, overthrowing democratically elected governments, invading countries without any reason and causing half a million civilian deaths, trying to nation build and causing even more death and destruction, and threatening more war against these very people...

It is the ARABS, the MUSLIM ARABS and PERSIANS who are the barbarians. The violent ones. The ones who are incompatible with democracy. Even if the face of undeniable historical fact, people cannot see why an American ridiculing Islam wont be taken as an offense by America. Americans have LAUGHABLY chosen to play the victim card!

Kick rocks fakkits.

 

[Broke Wave]

its funny how we Muslims get into this ape shid mode when defending the Prophet, saw,

there's a hadith where some jews said to the prophet: As-Samu 'Alaika (i.e., death be upon you) and the Prophet would calmly reply "Wa alaikum" (i.e. and upon you).

Muslims today don't realize Prophet Muhammad faced, heard, and dealt with a lot more in terms of the haters... nikkas are too emotional now a days and don't think... like burning shid and killing people is going to fix things. If folks are gonna call the Prophet a savage, we got just enough ammo to call those idiots savages too.

That's my prophet

 

[wize fool]

This person has been caught discussing, commenting and admitting to masturbating over naked pictures of women and pornography. He has also admitted to smoking marijuana, gambling, and drinking.

I'm just going to remind everyone anytime he makes a comment.

You are lying. There's no place for slander here, friend.

 

[The Real]

When did I say you said hijabs should be banned?

You implied it when you said that banning the hijab was tantamount to Westernization, and identified my position as Western.

It's apparent you completely missed my point so I'll reiterate. Even in places where it is supposedly mandatory the women still choose to wear it.

When you are legally mandated to dress a certain way in public, choice is not a useful category to discuss in evaluating why people do it.

I would also like to point out that Muslim men have a dress code too but it's just not as blatant because men don't typically dress half naked in this society anyway.

They do, yes, but it's not nearly as strict as that of the woman.

There are other differences between Muslim and Western women as well. For example, it is a Muslim woman's right to be completely taken care of financially by her husband. The man pays her a dowry at marriage that she must agree to, meaning she has the right to ask for more. Muslim women are protected by Muslim men and by their dress as well. And mothers are given the highest honor in Islam.

There is patriarchy here, too, but one issue at a time.

 

[wize fool]

wize fool do you jack off to Jada-Fire. That would sorta hurt your argument.

He's going to go to SOHH and post some quotes as "evidence" but it will be clear that he is greatly stretching the truth at best, not very intelligent in the middle and flat out lying at the other extreme. In any case, it will be one of the 3.

I'll be back shortly to clear things up.

Post the links TUH. Even though we've been through this before.

 

[Broke Wave]

As usual nobody will address what I said. People just like debating with wize fool and his theological arguments, but nobody will address the rational argument I made earlier about colonialism, and that was made by Newarkhiphop.

 

[wize fool]

You implied it when you said that banning the hijab was tantamount to Westernization, and identified my position as Western.

Yeah but I never said that either. Re-read if you must.

When you are legally mandated to dress a certain way in public, choice is not a useful category to discuss in evaluating why people do it.

As I was pointing out when you misread and took my words to mean something very foreign to what I was saying, even though it is mandated some places, the women would still wear it if it wasn't.

I would also like to point out that is un-Islamic to mandate such a thing. Yes, such laws are passed, but at the root of them they are un-Islamic because the Qur'an says there is no compulsion in religion.

There is patriarchy here, too, but one issue at a time.

Patriarchy for sure. No doubt. But it's not Muslims who are always yelling about how oppressed Western women are. It's exactly the opposite. I'm just pointing out that they are actually less oppressed.

 

[88m3]

As usual nobody will address what I said. People just like debating with wize fool and his theological arguments, but nobody will address the rational argument I made earlier about colonialism, and that was made by Newarkhiphop.

Which post?

 

[Broke Wave]

Which post?

You're a smart guy, what pleasure do you get from trolling all the time?

 

[the cac mamba]

Muslim women can't choose what they want to wear?

You are pathetic friend. I told you I would crush you in any debate and so far I have. I've shut you down in every thread. Now I'm backed into a corner?

If so, I can easily reverse our "so-called" positions. Provide your proof that Muslim women have no choice in what to wear.



And when you don't, because you can't, it will be yet another victory for me. But please, do try. At the very least it is an opportunity for you to educate yourself.

BBC News | MIDDLE EAST | Saudi police 'stopped' fire rescue

Saudi Arabia's religious police stopped schoolgirls from leaving a blazing building because they were not wearing correct Islamic dress, according to Saudi newspapers.