If Muhammad is seen as a human being why all the uproar when people make fun of him?

[Type Username Here]

Newark, don't leave with your feelings hurt breh. I really got love for you and what you do.

Your a fellow Goog Set member and the piff you provide is fantastic.

Just don't come preaching about something you yourself don't follow. It's bad breh.

 

[BlackZilla]

Pull up a post of mine where i have said am Muslim ?? Go ahead



you out here taking life's in the world and wanna start talking throwing shots at my character cause of what i post?

Sad thing was i thought of you as one of the more level headed pseudo intellectual around here.

am done messin with yall.

I think that what Type means is that you're the one talking about the porn industry exploiting women (Basically speaking against it), and yet you revel in porn (As seen by you talking about porn and posting images of women's a$$es).

Which basically begs the question, who are you to talk like that? Type on the other hand doesn't say that he doesn't like porn or anything like that. He outright says that he does.

The bottom line here is that you shouldn't be talking because you're pretty much being hypocritical. You're talking about throwing rocks while living in a glass house when you yourself are doing the same.

 

[Type Username Here]

I think that what Type means is that you're the one talking about the porn industry exploiting women (Basically speaking against it), and yet you revel in porn (As seen by you talking about porn and posting images of women's a$$es).

Which basically begs the question, who are you to talk like that? Type on the other hand doesn't say that he doesn't like porn or anything like that. He outright says that he does.

The bottom line here is that you shouldn't be talking because you're pretty much being hypocritical. You're talking about throwing rocks while living in a glass house when you yourself are doing the same.

That was the most ironic thing about his little speech.

 

[88m3]

Dude got exposed haha

 

[Type Username Here]

Dude got exposed s

Just wait for what's coming down the pipeline.

I'm about to have a Qu'ran lesson for everyone. It will be properly sourced and everything. I have already taken the necessary screenshots and am finishing up on the documentation.

 

[The Real]

Yeah but I never said that either. Re-read if you must.

Ok.

As I was pointing out when you misread and took my words to mean something very foreign to what I was saying, even though it is mandated some places, the women would still wear it if it wasn't.

This is plainly not true since in many of the places where it isn't mandated, the majority of women do not wear them, like Jordan, Gambia, Morocco, etc. You have no way of being assured that were it not mandatory, women would still wear them, or that the rates of hijab-wearing wouldn't steadily decrease.

I would also like to point out that is un-Islamic to mandate such a thing. Yes, such laws are passed, but at the root of them they are un-Islamic because the Qur'an says there is no compulsion in religion.

Fair enough, but we can't judge Islamic societies by Muslim doctrine. We can judge Islamic doctrine by it's own sources without necessarily referencing what self-professed Muslims do, but Islamic societies must be judged by what they actually do, rather than by the teachings they claim to follow.

Patriarchy for sure. No doubt. But it's not Muslims who are always yelling about how oppressed Western women are. It's exactly the opposite. I'm just pointing out that they are actually less oppressed.

I'm not sure. There are a lot of Muslim women who constantly speak out against their oppression, and I'm not talking about Ayan Hirsi Ali types. There are feminist and women's issue-related organizations in many Muslim countries. As for being less oppressed than Western women, again, you have yet to prove that.

 

[88m3]

Just wait for what's coming down the pipeline.

I'm about to have a Qu'ran lesson for everyone. It will be properly sourced and everything. I have already taken the necessary screenshots and am finishing up on the documentation.

Can't wait

 

[wize fool]

This is plainly not true since in many of the places where it isn't mandated, the majority of women do not wear them, like Jordan, Gambia, Morocco, etc. You have no way of being assured that were it not mandatory, women would still wear them, or that the rates of hijab-wearing wouldn't steadily decrease.

Some wear it, some don't. How many American Muslimah's have you seen wearing hijab?

That's why I linked you to what was going on in Turkey. They actually OUTLAWED the hijab but the women found a way to wear it anyway. Clearly that was by choice. That was the purpose for me introducing that article.

Fair enough, but we can't judge Islamic societies by Muslim doctrine. We can judge Islamic doctrine by it's own sources without necessarily referencing what self-professed Muslims do, but Islamic societies must be judged by what they actually do, rather than by the teachings they claim to follow.

I disagree because it's not my position to judge anyone. If that's what this discussion is about then I must respectfully withdraw because I'm not interested in that. My concern is Qur'an and whether or not it's the word of my creator.

So you can judge the people/societies if that's your concern. I will judge the message and try my best to apply it to me.

However many billion Muslims, 1 Qur'an. I'm interested in the message, not how over a billion people apply it. You can give a man a fool-proof business plan that made you millions of dollars and the next man can make nothing. Does that mean the plan doesn't work or does that mean that particular individual didn't apply it properly?

I'm not sure. There are a lot of Muslim women who constantly speak out against their oppression, and I'm not talking about Ayan Hirsi Ali types. There are feminist and women's issue-related organizations in many Muslim countries. As for being less oppressed than Western women, again, you have yet to prove that.

Our views of oppression differ. If a woman dresses modestly, with her hair up and glasses on, she gets ignored. If the same woman is half naked, dolled up and looking like a video vixen suddenly she is elevated to a higher status. I look at that as a form of oppression and I know many Muslim sisters who have expressed the same sentiment. Having sex with women, impregnating women and not marrying them? I view that as oppression.

We'll just have to agree that it is a subjective term.

+rep for staying on track though. I appreciate it.

 

[the cac mamba]

yet the barbaric ones are the ones who encourage there women to have a bit of self dignity and show less skin.



@ throwing stones when you built the glass house.

 

[wize fool]

Newark, don't leave with your feelings hurt breh. I really got love for you and what you do.

Your a fellow Goog Set member and the piff you provide is fantastic.

Just don't come preaching about something you yourself don't follow. It's bad breh.

Excuse me, friend, but I'm going to have to call you out for a second.

I see this is a ploy you like to use. I want to inform you that it is very weak. It makes you look feeble and pathetic. We're having an intellectual discussion and here you are trying to turn this into The Locker Room The Ladies Room. That's exactly what you're turning this into. This is gossiping, friend. Female tactics. Stick to the topic.

What you're doing right now is waving the biggest, brightest white flag imaginable. You are essentially admitting that you have nothing left to aid your argument and as such you are resorting to some sort of personal attack. It's pathetic to be frank.

It wouldn't matter if I was a murdering, serial rapist who sold crystal meth to children. That has nothing to do with the topic at hand. That would not disprove the Qur'an or take anything from it. This is classic deflection.

I'm here for intelligent conversation. If you want to challenge my beliefs, fine, do that. But that's not what's going on here. You are simply trying to change the subject which in my eyes equals surrender.

Now that's the truth of the matter. Respond however you will, friend, but tread carefully because the only one you exposed this evening was yourself.

 

[Type Username Here]

Excuse me, friend, but I'm going to have to call you out for a second.

I see this is a ploy you like to use. I want to inform you that it is very weak. It makes you look weak and pathetic. We're having an intellectual debate and here you are trying to turn this into The Locker Room The Ladies Room. That's exactly what you're turning this into. This is gossiping, friend. Female tactics. Stick to the topic.

What you're doing right now is waving the biggest, brightest white flag imaginable. You are essentially admitting that you have nothing left to aid your argument and as such you are resorting to some sort of personal attack. It's pathetic to be frank.

It wouldn't matter if I was a murdering, serial rapist who sold crystal meth to children. That has nothing to do with the topic at hand. That would not disprove the Qur'an or take anything from it. This is classic deflection.

I'm here for intelligent conversation. If you want to challenge my beliefs, fine, do that. But that's not what's going on here. You are simply trying to change the subject which in my eyes equals surrender.

Now that's the truth of the matter. Respond however you will, friend, but tread carefully because the only one you exposed this evening was yourself.

If you come in here peddling a book and faith that you don't follow yourself, how can anyone take you seriously?

The man made a statement about pornography and its supposed detriment to society while engaging in pornographic lifestyle.

You quote scripture left and right but you don't quote about the scripture that you have violated.

Your credibility is at stake.

 

[Type Username Here]

For the record, I find nothing wrong with pornography or drinking or a lot of things.

 

[wize fool]

If you come in here peddling a book and faith that you don't follow yourself, how can anyone take you seriously?

The man made a statement about pornography and its supposed detriment to society while engaging in pornographic lifestyle.

You quote scripture left and right but you don't quote about the scripture that you have violated.

Your credibility is at stake.

So if I smoke crack I don't have the right say it's bad? That brother may know first hand the dangers of pornography. That may give him more authority to speak on it. You act as though he personally attacked you. You engaged in conversation with him so how was he "preaching"?

You don't understand Islam, and that's fine. A Muslim sinning doesn't invalidate the book. How can it when the book itself says ALL men sin? And when did he ever claim to be Muslim anyway? You're worried about the wrong things and like I told you your tactics are quite feminine.

I don't even like the fact that I had to stoop to this level to address this issue. Hopefully the nonsense ends here.

 

[Type Username Here]

So if I smoke crack I don't have the right say it's bad? That brother may know first hand the dangers of pornography. That may give him more authority to speak on it. You act as though he personally attacked you. You engaged in conversation with him so how was he "preaching"?

You don't understand Islam, and that's fine. A Muslim sinning doesn't invalidate the book. How can it when the book itself says ALL men sin? You're worried about the wrong things and like I told you your tactics are quite feminine.

I don't even like the fact that I had to stoop to this level to address this issue. Hopefully the nonsense ends here.

It won't. Wait a couple of days. I'm going to teach you what the Qur'an says about Muslims like you. It will be sourced and respectful.

 

[wize fool]

It won't. Wait a couple of days. I'm going to teach you what the Qur'an says about Muslims like you. It will be sourced and respectful.

You don't know me. You don't know anything about me. And you're sounding very sensitive right now. "Muslims like me" as if you had any type of authority over anything. I'm not on trial here so you can toss your judgement in the bushes.

It is clear you have run out of ammo. I guess clawing and scratching like a little girl is better than curling up in the fetal position. Did they teach you that during your "how to become an international murderer" class?