If Muhammad is seen as a human being why all the uproar when people make fun of him?

[Bud Bundy]

I'll say it for the hundredth time: I don't condone these killings and they go against the teachings of Islam. They were wrong for that.

But the antagonists are wrong too. Both parties are in the wrong. Surely we can come to an agreement on that, right?

does someone making fun of a belief warrant violent action? They make it seem Islam is based only in Muhammad.

 

[newarkhiphop]

Afghanistan: Self-Immolation by Women Still Common - TIME



they like it so much, they light themselves on fire

your question is akin to asking 'how do you know slaves didnt like being enslaved?

how do we know american women like dressin how they do??

 

[wize fool]

does someone making fun of a belief warrant violent action? They make it seem Islam is based only in Muhammad.

Absolutely not. Muhammad said that he who does not control his anger does not control himself. The Qur'an says the true believer, when addressed by the ignorant say "peace."

The message is what it is. But then it is up to the people to adhere to it, which clearly isn't always the case.

 

[wize fool]

how do we know american women like dressin how they do??

I always find it ironic when Westerners complain about the status of women in Islam. In America, women are treated as sex objects. They mutilate their bodies to uphold a false standard of beauty in order to give themselves merit.

If you want to see oppression of women turn on the TV and press the mute button.

 

[Type Username Here]

I always find it ironic when Westerners complain about the status of women in Islam. In America, women are treated as sex objects. They mutilate their bodies to uphold a false standard of beauty in order to give themselves merit.

If you want to see oppression of women turn on the TV and press the mute button.

What a bunch of absolute shyt.

Especially coming from someone who has been caught checking out Just Buggin Out and the Off-Topic forums commenting on racy pictures and pornography. Do you want women covering themselves up because YOU can't control your libido?

That's why the top countries in the world that view pornography on the internet are Islamic countries.

Here women have a choice. They can dress like sluts, get boob jobs, or they can dress conservatively and contribute to science, political office, etc. Or they can dress slutty and contribute to society in meaningful ways.

Freedom of choice.

 

[the cac mamba]

I always find it ironic when Westerners complain about the status of women in Islam. In America, women are treated as sex objects. They mutilate their bodies to uphold a false standard of beauty in order to give themselves merit.

If you want to see oppression of women turn on the TV and press the mute button.

so youre goin to sit there and compare the options of women in our culture and yours

having standards, and nevertheless having the freedom to choose how u want to dress to live up to those standards>>>>having no choice of what to wear. how do i know? because im a human, and so are women.

your jabs when you get backed into a corner are laughable. as ive said before, the complete inability of you and the jihad to recognize any negativity caused by islam is sickening

A+ trolling, friend

 

[wize fool]

What a bunch of absolute shyt.

Especially coming from someone who has been caught checking out Just Buggin Out and the Off-Topic forums commenting on racy pictures and pornography. Do you want women covering themselves up because YOU can't control your libido?

That's why the top countries in the world that view pornography on the internet are Islamic countries.

Here women have a choice. They can dress like sluts, get boob jobs, or they can dress conservatively and contribute to science, political office, etc.

Ah here comes the rage from the authority-less judge. The evidence-less detective. The peace loving trained murderer.

Women here are given the illusion of choice. If they "decide" to be "ugly" they will be disregarded. Their "choices" are made under the pressure of becoming "beautiful" in the eyes of this society. Beauty >>> brains when it comes to American women. You know this to be true.

Also, do you think Muslim women are forced to cover? What about American converts? Clearly there's no sharia law here forcing them. It is their choice. And modesty is a virtue.

 

[The Real]

how do we know american women like dressin how they do??

You're not wrong, but this is still a weak analogy. In many societies where Burqas are common, they are usually enforced by strong tradition and even local law- there are severe consequences for not wearing one. In several places, even the non-Muslim minority's women are forced to wear them.

That is far worse than the media pressures on women in the West to dress a certain way, harmful as those pressures are. The form of pressure and the consequences of not following the standards are both much less extreme here.

I always find it ironic when Westerners complain about the status of women in Islam. In America, women are treated as sex objects. They mutilate their bodies to uphold a false standard of beauty in order to give themselves merit.

If you want to see oppression of women turn on the TV and press the mute button.

See my response above. Women are treated as objects in many Muslim communities, too. In fact, being pressured to wear a burqa and other forms of purdah are specifically premised on the sexuality of the woman, unless there is a non-sexual reason for it that I am not aware of. Women must be subject to all manner of sexuality-based prohibitions that men do not have to worry about.

Bottom line, censorship prohibitions of something that are meant to repress/hide it only proliferate it in other ways. The basis of both forms of social pressure concerns the sexuality of the woman, and that sexuality is still prominent for that reason, whether it's about walking around in revealing clothing or hiding the body completely.

 

[wize fool]

so youre goin to sit there and compare the options of women in our culture and yours

having standards, and nevertheless having the freedom to choose how u want to dress to live up to those standards>>>>having no choice of what to wear. how do i know? because im a human, and so are women.

your jabs when you get backed into a corner are laughable. as ive said before, the complete inability of you and the jihad to recognize any negativity caused by islam is sickening

A+ trolling, friend

Muslim women can't choose what they want to wear?

You are pathetic friend. I told you I would crush you in any debate and so far I have. I've shut you down in every thread. Now I'm backed into a corner?

If so, I can easily reverse our "so-called" positions. Provide your proof that Muslim women have no choice in what to wear.



And when you don't, because you can't, it will be yet another victory for me. But please, do try. At the very least it is an opportunity for you to educate yourself.

 

[wize fool]

You're not wrong, but this is still a weak analogy. In many societies where Burqas are common, they are usually enforced by strong tradition- there are severe consequences for not wearing one. In many places, even the non-Muslim women are forced to wear them.

That is far worse than the media pressures on women in the West to dress a certain way, harmful as those pressures are.



See my response above. Women are treated as objects in many Muslim communities, too. In fact, being pressured to wear a burqa and other forms of purdah are specifically premised on the sexuality of the woman, unless there is a non-sexual reason for it that I am not aware of. Women must be subject to all manner of sexuality-based prohibitions that men do not have to worry about.

Bottom line, censorship prohibitions of something that are meant to repress/hide it only proliferate it in other ways. The basis of both forms of social pressure concerns the sexuality of the woman, and that sexuality is still prominent for that reason, whether it's about walking around in revealing clothing or hiding the body completely.

What you say sounds so convincing. But only to the ignorant.

BBC News - Quiet end to Turkey's college headscarf ban

In the above article you may learn about Turkey's attempt to Westernize itself by banning the hijab in schools.

Freedom!

Not quite. The sisters instead wore wigs to continue to cover themselves, clearly by choice. I think a Muslim woman has more authority to speak on Muslim women than a Western man, don't you?

Where are all these Muslim women crying foul to support your claim?

 

[Type Username Here]

Ah here comes the rage from the authority-less judge. The evidence-less detective. The peace loving trained murderer.

Women here are given the illusion of choice. If they "decide" to be "ugly" they will be disregarded. Their "choices" are made under the pressure of becoming "beautiful" in the eyes of this society.

Also, do you think Muslim women are forced to cover? What about American converts? Clearly there's no sharia law here forcing them. It is their choice. And modesty is a virtue.

First, you are assuming, erroneously, that I believe in banning such clothing. If a woman chooses to wear such a thing, so be it. The only problem I have is with covering of the face. It is essential for identification, not only at the request of law enforcement, but to public safety.

Two, don't try to deny that you have been caught making comments about sexual images of women and discussing pornography. YOU did that. Against the wishes of your faith and book. I didn't do that, YOU did.

And how are ugly women disregarded? Have you not seen the women that contribute to our government and judicial systems? They are ugly as fukk.

Does THIS UGLY WOMAN look like she was disregarded by society?

She's more important than you and I will ever be.

 

[The Real]

What you say sounds so convincing. But only to the ignorant.

BBC News - Quiet end to Turkey's college headscarf ban

In the above article you may learn about Turkey's attempt to Westernize itself by banning the hijab in schools.

Freedom!

Not quite. The sisters instead wore wigs to continue to cover themselves, clearly by choice. I think a Muslim woman has more authority to speak on Muslim women than a Western man, don't you?

Where are all these Muslim women crying foul to support your claim?

When did I say hijabs should be banned? Hijabs aren't banned all over the west, and certainly not in America, nor should they be. I'm not even suggesting that most Muslim societies force women to wear them. The point is that the pressures on women to dress this way or that here are not enforced by ridiculous punishments, even if they are still unfair, so your attempt to draw an equivalency is flawed.

Look at the Taliban, for example:

"In December 1996, Radio Shari’a announced that 225 Kabul women had been seized and punished for violating the sharia code of dress. The sentence was handed down by a tribunal and the women were lashed on their legs and backs for their misdemeanor."

Or what about places like Iran and Saudi Arabia, where head-covering for women is still mandatory by law? And what about the many smaller communities in other countries where it is enforced by local, non-legal, traditional authority?

Obviously, there is no such parallel in the US or the West at large. Women aren't legally punished or formally prevented from being successful citizens if they do or don't dress in a particular way, even if you factor in gender discrimination, which is obviously still a problem here.


And finally, my point about sexuality still stands. The whole idea of purdah and female "modesty" in Islamic societies is just as based in sexuality and the proliferation of sexuality as pressures in the West to wear revealing clothing or get plastic surgery or what have you. They are two sides of a single, patriarchal coin.

 

[Type Username Here]

When did I say hijabs should be banned? Hijabs aren't banned all over the west, and certainly not in America, nor should they be. I'm not even suggesting that most Muslim societies force women to wear them. The point is that the pressures on women to dress this way or that here are not enforced by ridiculous punishments, even if they are still unfair, so your attempt to draw an equivalency is flawed.

Look at the Taliban, for example:

"In December 1996, Radio Shari’a announced that 225 Kabul women had been seized and punished for violating the sharia code of dress. The sentence was handed down by a tribunal and the women were lashed on their legs and backs for their misdemeanor."

Or what about places like Iran and Saudi Arabia, where head-covering for women is still mandatory by law? And what about the many smaller communities in other countries where it is enforced by local, non-legal, traditional authority?

Obviously, there is no such parallel in the US or the West at large. Women aren't legally punished or formally prevented from being successful citizens if they do or don't dress in a particular way, even if you factor in gender discrimination, which is obviously still a problem here.


And finally, my point about sexuality still stands. The whole idea of purdah and female "modesty" in Islamic societies is just as based in sexuality and the proliferation of sexuality as pressures in the West to wear revealing clothing or get plastic surgery or what have you. They are two sides of a single, patriarchal coin.

Powerful post.

 

[alybaba]

Let me throw in that a lot of men in highly patriarchal societies really have no control or shame and will stare down or harass a women who's not covered or dressed conservatively, especially when it comes to public places (esp public transport, markets etc.). The hijab becomes sort of necessary to get rid of any unwanted male attention in such situations - if they want to minimize harassment, its the only choice they have. A lot girls who we employ wear the hijab to and from the office, but take it off during working hours because our office is a safe environment. Really a shame.

 

[Type Username Here]

Let me throw in that a lot of men in highly patriarchal societies really have no control or shame and will stare down or harass a women who's not covered or dressed conservatively, especially when it comes to public places. The hijab becomes sort of necessary to get rid of any male attention in such situations - they really have no choice. A lot girls who we employ wear the hijab to and from the office, but take it off during working hours because our office is a safe environment. Really a shame.

Absolutely disgusting.


That's religion for you.

Aly, you are in Pakistan right?