If it comes down to kamala harris VS Donald Trump who are you voting for?

[yyy]

The problem with the Black Militants is that they believe that the fight for Black equality can only move forward. So either we find a candidate that is good for us, or we don't care. Thing is fundamentally flawed. Things can get worse. Before the last presidential election I was told on the coli that Trump will serve as a wake-up call for Black people. I was told that it was better for Trump to win, so Black people will understand that the country doesn't like them. So here we are. Racism on the rise. Racists feel emboldened. And Black militants still repeating the same lies and sticking their head in the sand. "How are things worse they say." So much ignorance. No point in even arguing with them. Just thankful that they don't represent the average Black person. I'm voting for any democratic nominee over Trump.

 

[O.Red]

It's interesting to see how so many of us take our political cues from a couple of social media personalities/trolls.

People know nothing of her policies, but repeating what they seen/heard from tariq and others.

Group think is a mutha.

This is the oldest trick in the book....paid trolls have convinced black folk to go at each other's throats...divide and conquer.

I'm assuming it's mostly younger people falling for this....most older cats have seen this time and time again.

You got older people fukked up my guy

Older rarely means wiser tbh. Plenty of older people fall for the exact same tricks over and over

 

[xCivicx]

If you don't pay attention then I can't help you. Go look into what AOC is doing and a lot of the new faces in Congress, Jahanna Hayes out my way etc.

Thank you for proving my point

You can't name a single specific benefit that the black community has gained from voting en masse in presidential elections for over half a century

You don't even need to reply

 

[xCivicx]

It's interesting to see how so many of us take our political cues from a couple of social media personalities/trolls.

People know nothing of her policies, but repeating what they seen/heard from tariq and others.

Group think is a mutha.

This is the oldest trick in the book....paid trolls have convinced black folk to go at each other's throats...divide and conquer.

I'm assuming it's mostly younger people falling for this....most older cats have seen this time and time again.

:Ray_J_1:
There are literally black people posting in this thread who have been fukked over by harris DIRECTLY

So wtf are you talking about??

 

[CoryMack]

So let's go ALLLLL the way back to the beginning

You're wrong if you're not planning to

HELP US DEFEAT TRUMP

There is a period so large at the end of that that it has a small moon orbiting it.

Voting is not the ONLY thing we need to do but you "don't vote" morons are totally backwards. Not voting has then same effect as not cutting your lawn or not job hunting. Its lazy and it's misguided

Cause voting is free and fast and easy. So there's no drawback. It's the definition of harmless even if you think they have a bonfire with the votes after they close the polls

So why campaign for people not to vote?

If it's as useless as you claim, why do you care if we vote? I don't think praying is gonna make you rich but I don't give a fukc if people pray 19 hours a day for money.

How do I look campaigning against something that I think is useless and has no effect, right?

I'm exposing you comrade. You may wanna stop digging

The only people who want Black people to not vote are idiots and

Republicans. Russians. Agents. KKK

people like that

I don't care if you personally vote or don't. Same way I don't care if you run headfirst into a wall. I've long accepted that voting to people like you is the end all be all of the political process, because you don't really understand what a working definition of politics is. You wouldn't know how to raise and establish your own candidates, because you're so used to people, strangers you know nothing about, showing up telling you what you want to hear.

You do know that's not how it's supposed to work, right? The community is supposed to put our own agenda together, and then present our own homegrown candidates, people we do know, that we send forward to fight for and establish our mandate. Not supposed to just vote some clown into office off some half-ass promises and then "hope" they don't forget about us. So no, I don't care about you participating in the little game white folks play with you.

What I do care about is nikkas like you showing up every two and four years trying to guilt well meaning but generally unknowing Black people into voting for candidates you know nothing about other than they're Black. Especially when you've been shown said candidate will potentially do more harm than good based not on conjecture, but an established track record. Don't care if you wanna follow white folks into hell, but I damn sure don't want you fools taking good Black people with you.

So you can keep on with the comrade/agent shyt all you want. All that does is further establish that you don't belong in serious discussions on politics. That's it.

 

[dj-method-x]

Thank you for proving my point

You can't name a single specific benefit that the black community has gained from voting en masse in presidential elections for over half a century

You don't even need to reply

Civil rights, fair housing act, voting rights act

When we elected Obama we got this and we would have gotten more if it weren't for republican obstruction:

Progress of the African-American Community During the Obama Administration


Key Accomplishments

Labor Market, Income and Poverty

• The unemployment rate for African Americans peaked at 16.8 percent in March 2010, after experiencing a larger percentage-point increase from its pre-recession average to its peak than the overall unemployment rate did. Since then, the African-American unemployment rate has seen a larger percentage-point decline in the recovery, falling much faster than the overall unemployment rate over the last year.
  
  
• The real median income of black households increased by 4.1 percent between 2014 and 2015.
  
  
• The President enacted permanent expansions of the Earned Income Tax Credit and Child Tax Credit, which together now provide about 2 million African-American working families with an average tax cut of about $1,000 each.
  
  
• A recent report from the Census Bureau shows the remarkable progress that American families have made as the recovery continues to strengthen. Real median household income grew 5.2 percent from 2014 to 2015, the fastest annual growth on record. Income grew for households across the income distribution, with the fastest growth among lower- and middle-income households. The number of people in poverty fell by 3.5 million, leading the poverty rate to fall from 14.8 percent to 13.5 percent, the largest one-year drop since 1968, with even larger improvements including for African Americans, Hispanic Americans, and children.
  
  
• The poverty rate for African Americans fell faster in 2015 than in any year since 1999.While the poverty rate fell for across all racial and ethnic groups this year, it fell 2.1 percentage points (p.p.) for African Americans, resulting in 700,000 fewer African Americans in poverty.
  
  
• African American children also made large gains in 2015, with the poverty rate falling 4.2 percentage points and 400,000 fewer children in poverty.

Health

• Since the start of Affordable Care Act's first open enrollment period at the end of 2013, the uninsured rate among non-elderly African Americans has declined by more than half.Over that period, about 3 million uninsured nonelderly, African-American adults gained health coverage.
  
  
• Teen pregnancy among African-American women is at an historic low. The birth rate per 1,000 African-American teen females has fallen from 60.4 in 2008, before President Obama entered office, to 34.9 in 2014.
  
  
• Life expectancy at birth is the highest it’s ever been for African Americans. In 2014, life expectancy at birth was 72.5 years for African-American males and 78.4 for African-American females, the highest point in the historical series for both genders.

Education

• The high school graduation rate for African-American students is at its highest point in history. In the 2013-2014 academic year, 72.5 percent of African-American public high school students graduated within four years.
  
  
• Since the President took office, over one million more black and Hispanic students enrolled in college.
  
  
• Among African-Americans and Hispanic students 25 and older, high school completion is higher than ever before. Among African Americans, Hispanics, and Asian students 25 and older, Bachelor’s degree attainment is higher than ever before. As of 2015, 88 percent of the African-American population 25 and older had at least a high school degree and 23percent had at least a Bachelor’s degree.

Support for HBCUs

• The U.S. Department of Education (ED) is responsible for funding more than $4 billion for HBCUs each year.
  
  
• Pell Grant funding for HBCU students increased significantly between 2007 and 2014, growing from $523 million to $824 million.
  
  
• The President’s FY 2017 budget request proposes a new, $30 million competitive grant program, called the HBCU and Minority Serving Institutions (MSIs) Innovation for Completion Fund, designed to support innovative and evidence-based, student-centered strategies and interventions to increase the number of low-income students completing degree programs at HBCUs and MSIs.
  
  
• The First in the World (FITW) program provided unique opportunities for HBCUs to compete for grants focused on innovation to drive student success.
  
  
• In 2014, Hampton University received a grant award of $3.5 million.
  
  
• In FY 2015, three FITW awards were made to HBCUs, including Jackson State University ($2.9 million), Delaware State University ($2.6 million) and Spelman College ($2.7 million).
  
  
• While Congress did not fund the program in fiscal year 2016, the President’s 2017 budget request includes $100 million for the First in the World program, with up to $30 million set aside for HBCUs and MSIs.

Criminal Justice

• The incarceration rates for African-American men and women fell during each year of the Obama Administration and are at their lowest points in over two decades. The imprisonment rates for African-American men and women were at their lowest points since the early 1990s and late 1980s, respectively, of 2014, the latest year for which Bureau of Justice Statistics data are available.
  
  
• The number of juveniles in secure detention has been reduced dramatically over the last decade. The number of juveniles committed or detained, a disproportionate number of whom are African American, fell more than 30% between 2007 and 2013.
  
  
• The President has ordered the Justice Department to ban the use of solitary confinement for juveniles held in federal custody. There are presently no more juveniles being held in restrictive housing federally.

My Brother’s Keeper

• President Obama launched the My Brother’s Keeper initiative on February 27, 2014 to address persistent opportunity gaps faced by boys and young men of color and ensure that all young people can reach their full potential.
  
  
• Nearly 250 communities in all 50 states, 19 Tribal Nations, Washington, DC and Puerto Rico have accepted the President’s My Brother’s Keeper Community Challenge to dedicate resources and execute their own strategic plans to ensure all young people can reach their full potential.
  
  
• Inspired by the President’s call to action, philanthropic and other private organizations have committed to provide more than $600 million in grants and in-kind resources and $1 billion in low-interest financing to expand opportunity for young people – more than tripling the initial private sector investment since 2014.
  
  
• In May 2014, the MBK Task Force gave President Obama nearly 80 recommendations to address persistent opportunity gaps faced by young people, including boys and young men of color. Agencies have been working individually and collectively since to respond to recommendations with federal policy initiatives, grant programs, and guidance. Today, more than 80% of MBK Task Force Recommendations are complete or on track.

Advancing Equity for Women and Girls of Color

• In 2014, the Council on Women and Girls (CWG) launched a specific work stream called “Advancing Equity for Women and Girls of Color” to ensure that policies and programs across the federal government appropriately take into account the unique obstacles that women and girls of color can face. In fall 2015, CWG released a report that identified five data-driven issue areas where interventions can promote opportunities for success at school, work, and in the community.
  
  
• This work has also inspired independent commitments to advance equity, including a $100 million, 5-year-funding initiative by Prosperity Together—a coalition of women’s foundations—to improve economic prosperity for low-income women and women and girls of color and a $75 million funding commitment by the Collaborative to Advance Equity through Research—an affiliation of American colleges, universities, research organizations, publishers and public interest institutions led by Wake Forest University—to support existing and new research efforts about women and girls of color.
  
  
• At the United State of Women Summit in June 2016, eight organizations launched “Young Women’s Initiatives,” place-based, data-driven programs that will focus in on the local needs of young women of color. Those organizations include the Women’s Foundation of Minnesota, the Women’s Foundation of California, the Women's Foundation for a Greater Memphis, the Washington Area Women’s Foundation, the Dallas Women’s Foundation, the Women’s Fund of Greater Birmingham, the Women’s Fund of Western Massachusetts, and the New York Women’s Foundation.

Small Business

• There are 8 million minority-owned firms in the U.S.—a 38% increase since 2007.
  
  
• In early 2015, the U.S. Small Business Administration (SBA) launched the MBK Millennial Entrepreneurs Initiative, which seeks to address the challenges faced by underserved millennials, including boys and young men of color, through self-employment and entrepreneurship. A major component of this effort included the six-part video series, titled “Biz My Way,” which encourages millennials to follow their passion in business.
  
  
• In fiscal year 2015, underserved markets received 32,563 loans totaling $13 billion, compared with 25,799 loans and $10.47 billion in fiscal year 2014, an increase of 26 percent in number of loans and 24 percent in dollar amount.
  
  
• Last year, the SBA issued a new rule that makes most individuals currently on probation or parole eligible for a SBA microloan—a loan of up to $50,000 that helps small businesses start up. And in August 2016, SBA together with the W.K. Kellogg Foundation and Justine Petersen, launched the Aspire Entrepreneurship Initiative, a $2.1 Million pilot initiative to provide entrepreneurship education and microloans to returning citizens in Detroit, Chicago, Louisville and St. Louis.

Civil Rights Division

• The Department of Justice’s Civil Rights Division continued to enforce federal law.Over the last eight years, the Division has vigorously protected the civil rights of individuals in housing, lending, employment, voting, education, and disability rights and through hate crimes and law enforcement misconduct prosecutions and law enforcement pattern and practice cases.

African-American Judicial Appointees

• President Obama has made 62 lifetime appointments of African Americans to serve on the federal bench.
  
  
• This includes 9 African-American circuit court judges.
  
  
• It also includes the appointment of 53 African American district court judges—including 26 African-American women appointed to the federal court, which is more African-American women appointed by any President in history.
  
  
• In total, 19% of the President’s confirmed judges have been African American, compared to 16% under President Bill Clinton and 7% under President George W. Bush.
  
  
• Five states now have their first African-American circuit judge; 10 states now have their first African-American female lifetime-appointed federal judge; and 3 districts now have their first African-American district judge.
  
  
• Also, the President appointed the first Haitian-American lifetime-appointed federal judge, the first Afro-Caribbean-born district judge, the first African-American female circuit judge in the Sixth Circuit, and the first African-American circuit judge on the First Circuit (who was also the first African-American female lifetime-appointed federal judge to serve anywhere in the First Circuit).
  
  
• The President is committed to continuing to ensure diversity on the federal bench. This year, the President nominated Myra Selby of Indiana to the Seventh Circuit, Abdul Kallon of Alabama to the Eleventh Circuit, and Rebecca Haywood of Pennsylvania to the Third Circuit. If confirmed, each of these would be a judicial first—Myra Selby would be the first African-American circuit judge from Indiana, Abdul Kallon would be the first African-American circuit judge from Alabama, and Rebecca Haywood would be the first African-American woman on the Third Circuit.In addition, two of the President’s district court nominees—Stephanie Finely and Patricia Timmons-Goodson—would be the first African-American lifetime-appointed federal judges in each of their respective districts, if confirmed.

 

[xCivicx]

The problem with the Black Militants is that they believe that the fight for Black equality can only move forward. So either we find a candidate that is good for us, or we don't care. Thing is fundamentally flawed. Things can get worse. Before the last presidential election I was told on the coli that Trump will serve as a wake-up call for Black people. I was told that it was better for Trump to win, so Black people will understand that the country doesn't like them. So here we are. Racism on the rise. Racists feel emboldened. And Black militants still repeating the same lies and sticking their head in the sand. "How are things worse they say." So much ignorance. No point in even arguing with them. Just thankful that they don't represent the average Black person. I'm voting for any democratic nominee over Trump.

Because you're a political/mental slave

Please explain to me how ABSTAINING from voting in the presidential election means that "we don't care"??

From my POV, YOU clearly don't care, as evidenced by the way that you continue to feed into a system that has not rewarded you IN ANY WAY

 

[Ghost Utmost]

I don't care if you personally vote or don't. Same way I don't care if you run headfirst into a wall. I've long accepted that voting to people like you is the end all be all of the political process, because you don't really understand what a working definition of politics is. You wouldn't know how to raise and establish your own candidates, because you're so used to people, strangers you know nothing about, showing up telling you what you want to hear.

You do know that's not how it's supposed to work, right? The community is supposed to put our own agenda together, and then present our own homegrown candidates, people we do know, that we send forward to fight for and establish our mandate. Not supposed to just vote some clown into office off some half-ass promises and then "hope" they don't forget about us. So no, I don't care about you participating in the little game white folks play with you.

What I do care about is nikkas like you showing up every two and four years trying to guilt well meaning but generally unknowing Black people into voting for candidates you know nothing about other than they're Black. Especially when you've been shown said candidate will potentially do more harm than good based not on conjecture, but an established track record. Don't care if you wanna follow white folks into hell, but I damn sure don't want you fools taking good Black people with you.

So you can keep on with the comrade/agent shyt all you want. All that does is further establish that you don't belong in serious discussions on politics. That's it.

So what is it that

YOU DO

What do you want us to do?

You keep blathering on about what doesn't work and why it's hopeless

Tell us what will work and tell us how you're making it happen

 

[CoryMack]

It's interesting to see how so many of us take our political cues from a couple of social media personalities/trolls.

People know nothing of her policies, but repeating what they seen/heard from tariq and others.

Tariq and them haven't done anything but draw attention to her record in California. And good that they did.

 

[yyy]

Because you're a political/mental slave

Please explain to me how ABSTAINING from voting in the presidential election means that "we don't care"??

From my POV, YOU clearly don't care, as evidenced by the way that you continue to feed into a system that has not rewarded you IN ANY WAY

First of all, I never said that abstaining means you don't care. Rather, what I was getting at was that the notion of not voting for someone because they aren't a friend to Black people is stupid. No one has ever been a friend to Black people. If that was the test, we'd still be under Jim Crow. Of course there are some people on here who say that we'd be better of in Jim Crow. I'm not going to debate the same topic every year. I'm smart enough to be able to discern between an enemy and lukewarm friend. Do you and I'll do me.

 

[CoryMack]

Just thankful that they don't represent the average Black person. I'm voting for any democratic nominee over Trump.

I hope white folks pick someone out of the kkk and slap that democrat tag on em. It would serve you stupid nikkas right. Hell ain't like they ain't been doing it anyway.

 

[xCivicx]

Civil rights, fair housing act, voting rights act

When we elected Obama we got this and we would have gotten more if it weren't for republican obstruction:

Incorrect statement #1: the Civil Rights Act
Lyndon Johnson signed the civil rights act as the interim president after Kennedy was assassinated

He was not voted into office until AFTER that act was signed, meaning voting had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with that act being signed, as you had no power to choose anyone besides him at the time

Not only that, the Civil Rights Act benefits women and immigrants MORE than black people PERIOD

Incorrect statement #2 & #3:
The fair housing act and the voting rights act are general pieces of legislation that offer no specific benefits to the black community(the people who were most unfairly treated in voting and housing)

Incorrect statement #4:
Obama created even more "general legislation" that was supposed to trickle down to the common person. You can choose to accept that bullshyt, but Reagan tried "trickle down economics" too and it fukked over black people DIRECTLY, over everyone else

White enrollment in HBCUs in on the rise iirc, and female-directed legislation IS NOT black community-directed legislation PERIOD

Criminal justice legislation does NOTHING for the black people who have never been in the system

Try again

 

[xCivicx]

First of all, I never said that abstaining means you don't care. Rather, what I was getting at was that the notion of not voting for someone because they aren't a friend to Black people is stupid. No one has ever been a friend to Black people. If that was the test, we'd still be under Jim Crow. Of course there are some people on here who say that we'd be better of in Jim Crow. I'm not going to debate the same topic every year. I'm smart enough to be able to discern between an enemy and lukewarm friend. Do you and I'll do me.

You aren't making any sense. At all

Make sure you 'do you' far away from me

 

[KingJudah2]

It's interesting to see how so many of us take our political cues from a couple of social media personalities/trolls.

People know nothing of her policies, but repeating what they seen/heard from tariq and others.

Group think is a mutha.

This is the oldest trick in the book....paid trolls have convinced black folk to go at each other's throats...divide and conquer.

I'm assuming it's mostly younger people falling for this....most older cats have seen this time and time again.

nikkas taking ques from that dumbass mutt Angela Rye and that big hippo bytch, can't remember her name, Bakari Sellout and other clowns

 

[dj-method-x]

Incorrect statement #1: the Civil Rights Act
Lyndon Johnson signed the civil rights act as the interim president after Kennedy was assassinated

He was not voted into office until AFTER that act was signed, meaning voting had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with that act being signed, as you had no power to choose anyone besides him at the time

Not only that, the Civil Rights Act benefits women and immigrants MORE than black people PERIOD

Incorrect statement #2 & #3:
The fair housing act and the voting rights act are general pieces of legislation that offer no specific benefits to the black community(the people who were most unfairly treated in voting and housing)

Incorrect statement #4:
Obama created even more "general legislation" that was supposed to trickle down to the common person. You can choose to accept that bullshyt, but Reagan tried "trickle down economics" too and it fukked over black people DIRECTLY, over everyone else

White enrollment in HBCUs in on the rise iirc, and female-directed legislation IS NOT black community-directed legislation PERIOD

Criminal justice legislation does NOTHING for the black people who have never been in the system

Try again

The civil rights act was called for by Kennedy. Voting for Kennedy is what led to the act being signed into law.

Your argument around these things not being SPECIFIC to black people is child like simple minded bullshyt.

It's like being mad at your parents for always feeding you and your siblings but not doing anything for you specifically. Shut the fukk up.