If Illegal immigration doesn't hurt black people, can someone explain this chart?

[ogc163]

You need to read the whole thing. I know you didn't read it because its a dense piece of work.

Illegal Aliens Depress Wages for Some in U.S.

www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/06/illegal_immigration_and_the_wage_gap.html


www.nationalcenter.org/P21PR-Amnesty_Black_Employment_081114.html

Homeboy I'm a law school graduate and I just finished studying for the bar, that was not what I would consider a dense piece of work (shyt is only 7 pages). I looked for evidence of wage depression and it was not there. You should quote the part where that evidence was provided.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Homeboy I'm a law school graduate and I just finished studying for the bar, that was not what I would consider a dense piece of work (shyt is only 7 pages). I looked for evidence of wage depression and it was not there. You should quote the part where that evidence was provided.

If thats the case, you can read through these threads I've done on the topic:

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/ann-...aring-their-plight-to-black-americans.425699/

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/illegal-immigration-hurts-the-black-community.371501/

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/can-...-why-shouldnt-mexico-pay-for-the-wall.459717/

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/hold-up-illegal-immigrant-supporters-how-do-you-defend-this.402468/

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/u-s-plans-new-wave-of-immigrant-deportation-raids.427292/

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/lets...mp-only-is-against-illegal-immigrants.401964/

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/hmmm...egal-immigrants-hurt-black-employment.402475/

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/la-t...gal-alien-now-calling-them-noncitizen.420260/

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/us-c...tion-hammers-african-american-workers.439087/

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/wsj-...ederal-policy-make-up-25-of-uninsured.413022/

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/ladi...ks-need-to-oppose-illegal-immigration.457776/

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/reme...-people-in-favor-of-illegal-hispanics.399326/

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/im-r...fusing-immigrants-with-illegal-aliens.448044/

 

[88m3]

If thats the case, you can read through these threads I've done on the topic:

 

[ogc163]

So a link to a NY Times article from 1988 citing data compiled during the Reagan administration, which also points out the GOA and Department of Labor disagreed on what data was relevant.

And 2 other articles where the opinions espoused primarily revolve around the work of George Borjas (SHOCKER!!!)

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

So a link to a NY Times article from 1988 citing data compiled during the Reagan administration, which also points out the GOA and Department of Labor disagreed on what data was relevant.

And 2 other articles where the opinions espoused primarily revolve around the work of George Borjas (SHOCKER!!!)

I was establishing a trend.

Lets be honest....you don't want to accept that blacks are displaced by illegals.

There are several class action lawsuits from black temp workers in the Chicagoland area who were discriminated against in favor of illegal latinos.

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/npr-...d-over-black-citizens-update-govt-sues.420004

Just listen to the show there.

 

[StatUS]

I'm dying.

 

[ogc163]

I was establishing a trend.

Lets be honest....you don't want to accept that blacks are displaced by illegals.

There are several class action lawsuits from black temp workers in the Chicagoland area who were discriminated against in favor of illegal latinos.

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/npr-...d-over-black-citizens-update-govt-sues.420004

Just listen to the show there.

You are obviously a fan of assumptions, but once again it leads you towards the wrong path. I really don't feel that strongly about illegal immigration or the Black/Brown coalition that often serves as the basis for Black folks who are pro-immigration. I just have a strong dislike of the anti-immigration rhetoric serving as a distraction as opposed to attention being given to other variables impacting low skilled African-Americans. The data available tells me the immigration impact is trivial but the energy in the political realm and even among some academics I rock with (i.e. Glenn Loury) would lead a person to believe decreased immigration substantially moves the needle for low-skilled African-Americans when it more than likely will not.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You are obviously a fan of assumptions, but once again it leads you towards the wrong path. I really don't feel that strongly about illegal immigration or the Black/Brown coalition that often serves as the basis for Black folks who are pro-immigration. I just have a strong dislike of the anti-immigration rhetoric serving as a distraction as opposed to attention being given to other variables impacting low skilled African-Americans. The data available tells me the immigration impact is trivial but the energy in the political realm and even among some academics I rock with (i.e. Glenn Loury) would lead a person to believe decreased immigration substantially moves the needle for low-skilled African-Americans when it more than likely will not.

Glad you mentioned Glenn Loury. I listen to his podcast weekly.

Fact is, decades ago, and I've documented articles showing this, jobs done by lowskilled/low wage workers...were black. Period.

And we talk about the foundation for black economics...I'm not condemning us all to the bottom of the stack, but some money is better than no money. Especially when we read about raids on fast food joints, temp agencies passing over black candidates, entire black unions crying foul in places like LA for being undercut by illegals, etc...the effect of illegal immigration directly affects us more since we make up more of the bottom.

There is an impact and since I know you haven't checked everything I referred to you, do that, and get back to me.

I've done way more reading on this than you have...and if you're not satisfied with what I've thrown at you thus far, considering you haven't even looked at it, do me the courtesy of taking what I've done seriously.

 

[ogc163]

Glad you mentioned Glenn Loury. I listen to his podcast weekly.

Fact is, decades ago, and I've documented articles showing this, jobs done by lowskilled/low wage workers...were black. Period.

And we talk about the foundation for black economics...I'm not condemning us all to the bottom of the stack, but some money is better than no money. Especially when we read about raids on fast food joints, temp agencies passing over black candidates, entire black unions crying foul in places like LA for being undercut by illegals, etc...the effect of illegal immigration directly affects us more since we make up more of the bottom.

There is an impact and since I know you haven't checked everything I referred to you, do that, and get back to me.

I've done way more reading on this than you have...and if you're not satisfied with what I've thrown at you thus far, considering you haven't even looked at it, do me the courtesy of taking what I've done seriously.

No I won't do that, based on what you have posted I currently have no reason to take you seriously. As I stated in the other thread most Economists do not agree with George Borjas and his anti-immigration stance, the stance that you and him are currently taking is a super small minority with the profession.

--Here on Page 4, 210 Economists were surveyed and only 16% felt that immigration levels were too high http://ew-econ.typepad.fr/articleAEAsurvey.pdf

--500 Economists signing a letter to President Bush wanting a more lax immigration policy.
Open Letter on Immigration - Alexander T. Tabarrok

--Even Borjas himself has admitted that in the long run there is only a 4.8% negative impact on wages on those without a HS diploma,
Borjas, Wages, and Immigration: The Complete Story | EconLog | Library of Economics and Liberty

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

No I won't do that, based on what you have posted I currently have no reason to take you seriously. As I stated in the other thread most Economists do not agree with George Borjas and his anti-immigration stance, the stance that you and him are currently taking is a super small minority with the profession.

--Here on Page 4, 210 Economists were surveyed and only 16% felt that immigration levels were too high http://ew-econ.typepad.fr/articleAEAsurvey.pdf

--500 Economists signing a letter to President Bush wanting a more lax immigration policy.
Open Letter on Immigration - Alexander T. Tabarrok

--Even Borjas himself has admitted that in the long run there is only a 4.8% negative impact on wages on those without a HS diploma,
Borjas, Wages, and Immigration: The Complete Story | EconLog | Library of Economics and Liberty

You know that:

1. The CBC supports illegal immigration

2. The NAACP supports illegal immigration

3. There are very few studies done on the effects of illegal immigration on blacks

Simply put...this is an entirely too emotional dialogue for most people to take seriously. When I say it, and when I post things for you, you disregard them because some white dudes at some coastal school didn't validate that opinion for you.

I've shown you the lawsuits. I've shown you the trends in employment. I've shown you the correlations with job displacement.

What more do you want?

I'm encouraging you to step outside of whatever Vox.com tells you and to dive deeper into the subject.

Illegals directly displace black people (and I'm not going to even touch on the racist nature of many Latin American immigrants in their home countries).

No other country has as many illegals as a percentage of their population than the USA.

 

[Broke Wave]

They drive down wages for low skilled workers. You're operating from this viewpoint that a little bit of illegal immigration is immaterial when the correct viewpoint should be that it's illegal.....point blank. Nobody should be losing their jobs to people that are here illegally. I don't even see why you dudes even feel you have an argument here. They're willing to do labor extensive work like landscaping, moving, construction, etc, for pennies...work and business avenues that used to provide serviceable income to Americans....they're coming over to do for third world wages that no American can compete with and you're talking about its not a big deal. You dudes are too PC. Whose interests are you serving here? Ours or illegal immigrants? Mind you....a good deal of countries south of the border have an airtight immigration policy.

Yeah but here's the thing. There is not X amount of jobs in any given field that remains static year over year... there is job growth in specific fields. Also there are countless studies that prove illegal immigration has a negligible effect on wages.

 

[The American]

he aint even a citizen

I knew that fakkit was lying. I specifically asked him if he was born here and he said yes, he's been mad sus since jump since he's always so happy about not living in Jamaica as if it was some hellhole he escaped. Now we know the truth, thanx bruh

@ThreeLetterAgency Stop w your fukkin lies already, just like when you said you weren't black smh http://www.thecoli.com/threads/dead-napoleon-taking-one-last-l.236842/

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I knew that fakkit was lying. I specifically asked him if he was born here and he said yes, he's been mad sus since jump since he's always so happy about not living in Jamaica as if it was some hellhole he escaped. Now we know the truth, thanx bruh

@ThreeLetterAgency Stop w your fukkin lies already, just like when you said you weren't black smh http://www.thecoli.com/threads/dead-napoleon-taking-one-last-l.236842/

I was born here.

What the shyt are you talking about? You want birth certificates proving place of birth and race too?

I'm black. And I was born here. Go start your own bullshyt.

 

[MalikX]

Yeah but here's the thing. There is not X amount of jobs in any given field that remains static year over year... there is job growth in specific fields. Also there are countless studies that prove illegal immigration has a negligible effect on wages.

I researched it....and no. The rest of us aren't affected by it (yet) but, high school dropouts and low skilled workers are, which I already assumed from my own anecdotal experience before properly researching it. I didn't really need a report to tell me illegal immigrants are suppressing wages for the poorest people because I saw it with my own eyes back when I did moving and construction.

Well, for an individual, it depends on where you are, what kind of work you do and whether you have skills that illegal immigrants don't. But overall, illegal immigrants don't have a big impact on U.S. wage rates. The most respected recent studies show that most Americans would notice little difference in their paychecks if illegal immigrants suddenly disappeared from the United States. That's because most Americans don't directly compete with illegal immigrants for jobs.

There is one group of Americans that would benefit from a dramatic cut in illegal immigration: high-school dropouts. Most economists agree that the wages of low-skill high-school dropouts are suppressed by somewhere between 3 percent and 8 percent because of competition from immigrants, both legal and illegal. Economists speculate that for the average high-school dropout, that would mean about a $25 a week raise if there were no job competition from immigrants.

Undocumented workers certainly do take jobs that would otherwise go to legal workers.

See....again....you're operating from a stance that because illegal immigration only affects the poorest, most unskilled people in America, and barely affects the rest of the worthier and more valuable population, that it's not a problem. I'm operating from the stance that even a single job being lost is wrong because the person should have never have to compete with someone who was here illegally in the first place. The funny thing is Hispanics are outpacing blacks in population, wealth, entrepreneurship and educational attainment, and their anchor babies are citizens (who should have never been here mind you) who will be taking jobs (read: good jobs) from our children and dominating them along with whites. Again....competition that should have never been here as their parents came illegally. It's funny seeing people arguing against their own interests. It won't be so funny in thirty years.

 

[Broke Wave]

I researched it....and no. The rest of us aren't affected by it (yet) but, high school dropouts and low skilled workers are, which I already assumed from my own anecdotal experience before properly researching it. I didn't really need a report to tell me illegal immigrants are suppressing wages for the poorest people because I saw it with my own eyes back when I did moving and construction.



See....again....you're operating from a stance that because illegal immigration only affects the poorest, most unskilled people in America, and barely affects the rest of the worthier and more valuable population, that it's not a problem. I'm operating from the stance that even a single job being lost is wrong because the person should have never have to compete with someone who was here illegally in the first place. The funny thing is Hispanics are outpacing blacks in population, wealth, entrepreneurship and educational attainment, and their anchor babies are citizens (who should have never been here mind you) who will be taking jobs (read: good jobs) from our children and dominating them along with whites. Again....competition that should have never been here as their parents came illegally. It's funny seeing people arguing against their own interests. It won't be so funny in thirty years.

Like I just told you... the evidence does not support your claim. Furthermore, illegal immigrants from Mexico and South America do not generally move to areas with large amounts of Blacks except of course in SoCal, but far less illegals are moving there these days anyway. There is not a static number of jobs that people are competing for in any given area. There is not some massive job board. There are different jobs and different levels of employment in different areas. It's not a difficult concept to understand. Look at the areas that have received the most amount of illegals in the past 10 years and find out the black population in those areas and how they could have possibly been negatively affected.