If Chad Johnson is an NFL veteran... How is it hard for him to learn a playbook??

[Field Marshall Bradley]

A number based O, is route XZY in numbered. The WR only runs that one route(Bengals). In a Option based O. The WR has up to 5 different routes based off what the D is giving them(Pats). And the WR has to read the D at the line, and pick his route and be in sync with the QB.

In the option O the WR has to read the D and adjust, along with the QB. In the Numbered O, it is that number(One route) regardless of what the D is showing. The QB has to hope he gets separation, if not hope to god he can find him after the play breaks down..

I am a little drunk, so sorry if I am not explain this well.

This was a good job and I get what you're saying. I'll respond tomorrow if I remember cause I do have a response but its too long. Gotta an early risers NA Meeting tomorrow. Shutting shop down early tonight.

I've been on that sauce too btw

 

[Mr Hate Coffee]

he didn't get the playbook, after a whole year he still could not even line up correctly and he couldn't be used in the hurry up offense. that's why he was let go. joey galloway didn't get either.

i swear, you can tell who's never played a down of organized football...

You really acting like a WR who's played in pretty much the same offensive scheme the entire 10 years of his NFL career is to effectively pick up a new one in a matter of months?


more and more college teams run the spread, so it's not as much of a learning curve to play in it in the NFL, moreso terminology and just game speed.


nobody calls players dumb when they have difficulty adjusting from a 4-3 to a 3-4...why would be considered "dumb" cause you didn't pick up an entirely new offense in a matter of 5-6 months of playing in it?

I still don't get it. Not every rookie from the Dolphins or NE played in a complex college offense. Am I wrong for assuming an NFL veteran should have an edge? I really don't believe Chad is that stupid. I just don't. Let's be honest, not all NFL players are Rhodes scholars, the system has to be accessible enough to be taught on a common level. You don't play in the league for years and not pick up some knowledge.

But he DID say it himself, he had "troubles"... whatever that means.

 

[MegaTronBomb!]

Man fukk changing positions....Chad was asked to play the position he's played his whole career. Name another WR that that struggled changing teams like chad

We're gonna act like a legit #1 reciever like Santonio Holmes hasn't struggled in New York.

are you really this stupid tho? playing WR in the spread is not the same as playing in your traditional pro style offense.



WR's struggle to gain a hold of offenses but usually have the convenience of being targeted a shytload of times to compensate for it.

100+ passes to Welker, 90 to Gronk,79 to Hernandez, even Branch got 50+

how exactly is a newcomer supposed to even get enough passes thrown his way to acclimate to the offense? dude was the 5th option.



it's not like he got shipped to place where he was the #1 option and was able to demand the ball.

Was Nnamdi considered dumb cause he didn't get the Eagles Defense after all them years in Oakland?

 

[MegaTronBomb!]

I still don't get it. Not every rookie from the Dolphins or NE played in a complex college offense. Am I wrong for assuming an NFL veteran should have an edge? I really don't believe Chad is that stupid. I just don't. Let's be honest, not all NFL players are Rhodes scholars, the system has to be accessible enough to be taught on a common level. You don't play in the league for years and not pick up some knowledge.

But he DID say it himself, he had "troubles"... whatever that means.

the 3-4 has existed in the NFL for decades, and you still see veteran players struggle to adjust to it. the spread itself takes a long time to install... there is much more coordination/timing involved than your traditional offense.

how exactly does one get the opportunity to learn an entirely new offense...while having 5 other recievers ahead of you who are already situated, a considerably shortened training camp/offseason, the tendencies of a new QB, and only getting the lowest of passes thrown your way?

was Chad supposed to pull a Tebow, and make NE compile an offense catered to his strengths and familiarity?

why would Beli take passes away from 4 other dudes who know whats going on, to make sure Chad was up to speed?

 

[Lakers Offseason]

Its a lot of reasons why a player may not work out, intelligence is not one of them. If you're drafted to the NFL, you've been interviewed and tested out the ass, and if "football intelligence" was a legit issue, you should have never been drafted, right? RIGHT?

nikka, you can't be serious with this.

Leave the commentary about football to other people.

 

[Brady-Carter]

We're gonna act like a legit #1 reciever like Santonio Holmes

Holmes a legit 1 WR?


You might have to stop talking about football bra..

 

[No1]

I asked 3 questions. you didnt answer 1 of them.

No, you just can't read or don't want to admit that this entire discussion is frivolous. You said, "according to who?" I told you who it was according to. It's very simple. Moss was given accolades for intelligence that Chad never received. Brady and Bellicheck gave Moss praise that they never gave Chad. Thus, we can infer that they believe that Moss has a higher football IQ than Chad. Unless you have something better than "smartest player or highest IQ player" I've coached/played with. Unless you can find a way for Chad to be able to superior to the "smartest guy" then it's pretty much right there in front of you. You're being purposefully obtuse, but I'm not sure why. The only thing I didn't answer was what it was based on because that should be self-explanatory.

 

[calh45]

Yeah i dont get it. This shyt just falls on Chad. I mean, NE's offense is about as complex as it can get and coming from one system to another is tough. Even in Miami though dude still couldnt grasp it. He probably just cant play in those complex offenses.

Shoulda used a cheat sheet

^This.


It's not really a knock on Chad. Dude played one system for a decade. He ran said system for a decade. Then he comes to NE and it is, read the D, read Tommy, make the play...



shyt, I did not envy dude at all(No OTA'S no TC b/c of the Lockout). And I am still rooting for chad. But it is what it is.

I accounted for when he played at Oregon State too and probably high school. Chad was running the same routes for the Beavers that he was for the Bengals. Asking him to do something different is like trying to learn how to write spanish left handed. They should've given him another season, but it is what it is.

With all the white boy responses in here, nann one of them still didn't answer my question on when has a white football player been denigrated for not knowing the playbook.

Maybe if I was Mike Lupica I would get a stronger discussion in here.

nikka. This took 2 seconds to find.

Jets expected to simplify playbook for Sanchez | ProFootballTalk

Tebow got roasted in Denver, by actual analysts not ESPN shills, for not being able to run an offense and forcing Denver to redo their entire system so he could function.

Blaine Gabbert got toasted last year for not being able to handle the jags offense.

This is all recent shyt too. Just stop it.

 

[Formerly known as...]

Says the fact that everyone has always raved about Moss' football IQ from Minnesota, to Oakland to New England to San Fran.

To the fact that one of the 5 greatest quarterbacks of all time co-sign Moss as being brilliant. Such accolades he never gave to Chad.

Chad didn't have an offseason last year, sure. This year he was still fukking up and Deion Branch was having to tell him where to go.

The fact is this, Chad Johnson spent a decade in one system and after that decade he was forced to learn something completely different and he had to ignore instincts and everything else. All that Welker wasn't shyt in MIA stuff is not true because he was putting up decent numbers but never had a Brady type of QB. He was progressively getting better every year.

But how is that relevant to Chad?

All this talk about a white player being criticized that way is pointless because most dominant wide receivers are black. So who exactly are we supposed to be talking about? Plenty of whtie QBs get criticized for being trashed, Kurt Warner has been getting at Kolb all summer. This is just a case of guys coming to the argument with pre-made talking points and attaching them to anything that is tangentially related. You all have agendas and won't admit it. This isn't the right fight.

Had to go out last night but im glad people kicked some knowledge to Peter....this ain't no race issue it's a chad issue! He is a great athlete but he couldn't get the playbook. Simple!

 

[Egomaniacal1]

2 things...

I know this nikka is trollin/race baitin hard but gat dayum, we do realize there are blacks folks in the UK?? Can't use the word "mum" without being verified as a white boy?

Also i haven't watched a second of Hard Knocks to know if Chad was or was not lined up wrong.....but gat dayum did i really see a nikka make the counter point that it was EDITTED to seem like he was lining up wrong?!?! I done heard it all now.

 

[jfkennedy]

Also mention how Philbin brought over a West Coast style offense similar to what he ran in Green Bay, which can be pretty complex. Chad wasn't really going from an hard playbook in NE to an easy one in MIA.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

I accounted for when he played at Oregon State too and probably high school. Chad was running the same routes for the Beavers that he was for the Bengals. Asking him to do something different is like trying to learn how to write spanish left handed. They should've given him another season, but it is what it is.





nikka. This took 2 seconds to find.

Jets expected to simplify playbook for Sanchez | ProFootballTalk

Tebow got roasted in Denver, by actual analysts not ESPN shills, for not being able to run an offense and forcing Denver to redo their entire system so he could function.

Blaine Gabbert got toasted last year for not being able to handle the jags offense.

This is all recent shyt too. Just stop it.

And the youth continue to disappoint.
Tebow? R U serious.

He got roasted so bad that he was drafted in the first round

He got roasted so bad that he became the starter in Denver

He got roasted so bad that Fox changed their whole offensive philosophy, not scheme, to fit his skillset

He got roasted so bad, that it took a GOAT HOF QB to get him out of Denver

He got roasted so bad, that he had a job 2 days later in a major market and may possibly end up being the starter.

Most if not all coaches scale their books back for rookie QBs to help with the progressive learning curve. Ex Big Ben, Joe Flacco(They dumb too I guess)

That's why you always hear old school coaches say that rookie qbs need to sit for a few years before playing, its always been like that.

Rookie QBs starting in mass is a new phenom because owners are too greedy and want to get an immediate return on their investment.

Analysts went in on Tebow's skillset, not his intelligence. Bottom line, Tebow has a job(he got roasted so bad though)...Chad doesn't

And if Tebow was a negro......You already know.....

 

[Buckeye Fever]

The darker you are, the realer ya problems....



















































































....in the classroom

 

[J-Fire]

With all the white boy responses in here, nann one of them still didn't answer my question on when has a white football player been denigrated for not knowing the playbook.

Maybe if I was Mike Lupica I would get a stronger discussion in here.

As a black man I can rattle off:

Ryan Leaf
tim couch

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

We're gonna act like a legit #1 reciever like Santonio Holmes hasn't struggled in New York.

are you really this stupid tho? playing WR in the spread is not the same as playing in your traditional pro style offense.



WR's struggle to gain a hold of offenses but usually have the convenience of being targeted a shytload of times to compensate for it.

100+ passes to Welker, 90 to Gronk,79 to Hernandez, even Branch got 50+

how exactly is a newcomer supposed to even get enough passes thrown his way to acclimate to the offense? dude was the 5th option.



it's not like he got shipped to place where he was the #1 option and was able to demand the ball.

Was Nnamdi considered dumb cause he didn't get the Eagles Defense after all them years in Oakland?

Lmao, so Santonio is the best you can do?


FOH, not only did Santonio not struggle nearly as much as chad, he wasn't considered as good as Chad.


As far as chad not getting targets, again, that's chad's fault for not earning those targets. They were paying him, what $2M? They wanted to get him the ball, but when he's bumming it out there, he's a liability. Wes, Gronk, and Hernandez earned those targets (two came in as rookies and earned them, wes came in as a fa and earned them).

And I don't care that he missed offseason, he had preseason and the whole regular season to pick it up, and still didn't get it done.