If Chad Johnson is an NFL veteran... How is it hard for him to learn a playbook??

[Mr Hate Coffee]

the 3-4 has existed in the NFL for decades, and you still see veteran players struggle to adjust to it. the spread itself takes a long time to install... there is much more coordination/timing involved than your traditional offense.

how exactly does one get the opportunity to learn an entirely new offense...while having 5 other recievers ahead of you who are already situated, a considerably shortened training camp/offseason, the tendencies of a new QB, and only getting the lowest of passes thrown your way?

was Chad supposed to pull a Tebow, and make NE compile an offense catered to his strengths and familiarity?

why would Beli take passes away from 4 other dudes who know whats going on, to make sure Chad was up to speed?

I'll give you NE but the Dolphins don't run a spread. Matter of fact, I'm sure their offense isn't complicated at all. They have a ton of new receivers and new qb's as well.

EDIT: I just saw dude above mention that Philbin brought in the Green Bay offense. If I'm wrong I'll take that L. I wish there was a better way to grasp the "complexity" of each teams offense. Cuz I'm not feeling how yall are saying that the Bengals offense was on some kindergarten shyt compared to the Dolphins.

 

[intruder]

I keep hearing this, but you expect me to believe that a WR who has 10+ years in the game can't learn a playbook effectively but a rookie WR can?


Somebody explain this to me. Chad cant be that dumb... he can't be.

Younger people are more capable to learn and adjust to new things than older ones. SIMPLE AS THAT. You really think you're smarter than your dad just because you know your ipad in and out?

Even in engineering and technology fields. The veterans have picked up bad habits over times and cant think out of the box anymore. Thats why companies recruit young talent for new product release.

In my company its the same thing: Our younger engineers are put on the newest product while our veterans, while they get exposure to the new, stay on the old product because you reach an age where it is not as easy LEARN anymore.

 

[Formerly known as...]

2 things...

I know this nikka is trollin/race baitin hard but gat dayum, we do realize there are blacks folks in the UK?? Can't use the word "mum" without being verified as a white boy?

Also i haven't watched a second of Hard Knocks to know if Chad was or was not lined up wrong.....but gat dayum did i really see a nikka make the counter point that it was EDITTED to seem like he was lining up wrong?!?! I done heard it all now.

Exactly, I don't even live in the UK now either but was born there and lived there for some time. How he thought I was using race as the issue is beyond me. My nikka chad should have beasted in our offense with Brady throwing to him but he disappointed all Pats fans

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

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The media has been insulting the black man's intelligence for years. "They" say he can't get the playbook but offer no examples. If you're gonna call someone stupid, you must offer examples as to why. That's a serious accusation.

The same was said about Moon & Cunningham as well.

You cannot be a standout in the NFL and not know football.

Doesn't work like that. They said Moss was a buffoon too but Bell said he's the smartest WR he's ever coached if that means anything.

Bottom line its all media propaganda. White folks would rather you think that negroes just roll out of bed and excel in athletics due to animalistic genes and instincts as opposed to hard work and intelligence

Bill Parcell's said it best when he said that football is easy and most people make it more than what it is for their own ego.

Why did so many people dap this dumb ass post? Chad didn't understand the offense. He admitted it himself and he looked lost out there all season.

 

[MegaTronBomb!]

Lmao, so Santonio is the best you can do?


FOH, not only did Santonio not struggle nearly as much as chad, he wasn't considered as good as Chad.


As far as chad not getting targets, again, that's chad's fault for not earning those targets. They were paying him, what $2M? They wanted to get him the ball, but when he's bumming it out there, he's a liability. Wes, Gronk, and Hernandez earned those targets (two came in as rookies and earned them, wes came in as a fa and earned them).

And I don't care that he missed offseason, he had preseason and the whole regular season to pick it up, and still didn't get it done.

wes welker fits the scheme they run perfectly, and played in a similar scheme for 4 years in college....and has filled that same role in NE with 4 Pro Bowl seasons of 110+ receptions.

it's more to do with the Pats scheme focusing more on the slot and multiple TE formations cause of Gronk and Hernandez's veratility than them "earning" the targets.


Brady had his highest passing yardage total ever that year... it's not like they were depending on Chad to fix something that wasn't broken in NE.

in real life football doesn't work like madden... it takes time to learn a new playbook, and get comfortable in a new offense... it just doesn't happen in one season.

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

wes welker fits the scheme they run perfectly, and played in a similar scheme for 4 years in college....and has filled that same role in NE with 4 Pro Bowl seasons of 110+ receptions.

it's more to do with the Pats scheme focusing more on the slot and multiple TE formations cause of Gronk and Hernandez's veratility than them "earning" the targets.


Brady had his highest passing yardage total ever that year... it's not like they were depending on Chad to fix something that wasn't broken in NE.

in real life football doesn't work like madden... it takes time to learn a new playbook, and get comfortable in a new offense... it just doesn't happen in one season.

Da fukk is you talking about? The Pats offense didn't depend on TEs until Gronk and Hernandez got there. As rookies, they came in and earned their targets. They didn't do multiple TE formations like that before they got here, they started doing that cuz they had two fukking studs at TE. Wes has had 4 pro bowl seasons...that's the point. He came in and balled, didn't take a season off. If Chad came in and took care of business, he woulda got his targets.

Sure it can take some time to learn a new play book.....but not a whole fukking season.

Chad bummed it, and is currently jobless. Put your cape away, Chad is done.

 

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Da fukk is you talking about? The Pats offense didn't depend on TEs until Gronk and Hernandez got there. As rookies, they came in and earned their targets. They didn't do multiple TE formations like that before they got here, they started doing that cuz they had two fukking studs at TE. Wes has had 4 pro bowl seasons...that's the point. He came in and balled, didn't take a season off. If Chad came in and took care of business, he woulda got his targets.

Sure it can take some time to learn a new play book.....but not a whole fukking season.

Chad bummed it, and is currently jobless. Put your cape away, Chad is done.

do you really understand football? much less pay attention to detail?

their offense didn't depend on such, cause they had the most gifted WR ever, and Wes Welker..with Branch and Faulk getting the rest of the passes.

it wasn't til Randy got shipped out mid-season, that you saw the emergence of Gronk and Hernandez...because they could no longer stretch the field like before.

Beli dont give a fukk that Randy caught 23 TD's in a season, he was expendable...just like Chad was.

in the spread, the slot receiver has the easiest assignment..smallest route tree..pretty much running underneath routes,slants, outs and option routes all game..

that's why a 5'9 WR with near 4.7 speed can put up those numbers.


Chad is not a Slot Reciever...you'd be a fool to think that Wes Welker could put up those NE numbers in Cincy, much less put up 02-09 Chad numbers.


We all admit he didn't produce,most people in here do acknowledge the contributing factors into why Chad didn't succeed in the spread... but you.

 

[BillBanneker]

Da fukk is you talking about? The Pats offense didn't depend on TEs until Gronk and Hernandez got there. As rookies, they came in and earned their targets. They didn't do multiple TE formations like that before they got here, they started doing that cuz they had two fukking studs at TE. Wes has had 4 pro bowl seasons...that's the point. He came in and balled, didn't take a season off. If Chad came in and took care of business, he woulda got his targets.

Sure it can take some time to learn a new play book.....but not a whole fukking season.

Chad bummed it, and is currently jobless. Put your cape away, Chad is done.

The patriots have utilized two tight end sets before 2009

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

The patriots have utilized two tight end sets before 2009

Every team in the league has used two TE sets before....it didn't become a staple of the Pats offense until they got those two. They were defined by 5 wide sets before that. Niccas need to stop rewriting history....

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

do you really understand football? much less pay attention to detail?

their offense didn't depend on such, cause they had the most gifted WR ever, and Wes Welker..with Branch and Faulk getting the rest of the passes.

it wasn't til Randy got shipped out mid-season, that you saw the emergence of Gronk and Hernandez...because they could no longer stretch the field like before.

Beli dont give a fukk that Randy caught 23 TD's in a season, he was expendable...just like Chad was.

in the spread, the slot receiver has the easiest assignment..smallest route tree..pretty much running underneath routes,slants, outs and option routes all game..

that's why a 5'9 WR with near 4.7 speed can put up those numbers.


Chad is not a Slot Reciever...you'd be a fool to think that Wes Welker could put up those NE numbers in Cincy, much less put up 02-09 Chad numbers.


We all admit he didn't produce,most people in here do acknowledge the contributing factors into why Chad didn't succeed in the spread... but you.

Da fukk does speculating what Wes could do in Cincy have to do with anything?

Gronk and Hernandez earned their targets, and it was their emergence that let Beli feel comfortable moving on without Randy. It was Randy complaining about, or rather sulking about his diminished role in the offense that ultimately led to his trading. Gronk and Hernandez had already shown their capabilities. They had already earned their targets. I remember it live, being a Pats fan, but go look at the box score and you'll see Randy's role diminishing. The last straw came with Randy's awkward presser after they blew out the Dolphins in like the 4th week and he had 0 catches. FOH, tryna rewrite history.

And don't ever compare Chad to Randy fukking Moss and his 23 TDs again....Chad was let go cuz he sucked.

 

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Every team in the league has used two TE sets before....it didn't become a staple of the Pats offense until they got those two. They were defined by 5 wide sets before that. Niccas need to stop rewriting history....

When did the pats become a 5 wide set team pre- Gronk and Hernandez?

This never happened.

Was it when Corey Dillon ran for 1,600 yds on that 04 SB Team?

Was it the Tuck Rule Pats?

even the 18-1 Pats still maintained a 3 wide 2 back spread system with Faulk catching a lot of passes..and averaged over 100+ yds on the ground

you're re-writing history.

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

When did the pats become a 5 wide set team pre- Gronk and Hernandez?

This never happened.

Was it when Corey Dillon ran for 1,600 yds on that 04 SB Team?

Was it the Tuck Rule Pats?

even the 18-1 Pats still maintained a 3 wide 2 back spread system with Faulk catching a lot of passes..and averaged over 100+ yds on the ground

you're re-writing history.

They weren't defined by two TEs...it was spread the field and dink-and-dunk down the field.

No team does 5 wide all day long, Pats did it more than most. Were never heavy on two TEs until those guys came up, try to divert from that point all you want...

 

[MegaTronBomb!]

Da fukk does speculating what Wes could do in Cincy have to do with anything?

Gronk and Hernandez earned their targets, and it was their emergence that let Beli feel comfortable moving on without Randy. It was Randy complaining about, or rather sulking about his diminished role in the offense that ultimately led to his trading. Gronk and Hernandez had already shown their capabilities. They had already earned their targets. I remember it live, being a Pats fan, but go look at the box score and you'll see Randy's role diminishing. The last straw came with Randy's awkward presser after they blew out the Dolphins in like the 4th week and he had 0 catches. FOH, tryna rewrite history.

And don't ever compare Chad to Randy fukking Moss and his 23 TDs again....Chad was let go cuz he sucked.

why don't you understand that "earning" their targets came in direct relation to Randy leaving 4 games into the season? they pretty much split all the passes that would've been thrown to him.


if a nikka at your job gets fired after a few months, and in turn his hours get split between you and someone else...did you really "earn" them?

 

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They weren't defined by two TEs...it was spread the field and dink-and-dunk down the field.

No team does 5 wide all day long, Pats did it more than most. Were never heavy on two TEs until those guys came up, try to divert from that point all you want...

you dont "dink and dunk" your way to 23 TD's with Randy Moss breh...hasn't been a dink n dunk game plan with Randy Moss ever.


you dont "dink and dunk" your way to 1,600 yds rushing with Corey Dillon either.


Josh McDaniels aint fukking with no dink and dunk offenses.... Didn't Happen with Jay Cutler, didn't happen with Cassel, never happened under Brady.

the only team in recent history that was defined by 5 wide sets was the GSOT Rams.

Charlie Weis didn't either....maybe you should watch your team more.

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

So you can't answer my question. I'll ask it again. When has a white football player, let alone 6 time pro bowler white player, got blasted for not getting the playbook?


Pre First Take Fame face

Nate Davis

One of the biggest knocks against him was he couldn't pick up the PB in Indy last year. Not a probowler but this isn't a black/white thing.