Miami won five years before he got thee
Only members left from that title team as AD and Wade and they missed the playoffs before Bron came that very year before
If Bron wins his 5th ring/5th FMVP next year, back to back with LA. Would you consider him GOAT?
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Only members left from that title team as AD and Wade and they missed the playoffs before Bron came that very year before
murksiderock
Superstar
"LeBron needs 6" hahahaga...
So why didn't Mike need 11? Somebody explain to me how Russell is literally the embodiment and originator of defensive domination, has twice as many rings as Mike, won 11 titles in 13 years (which is greater than winning 6 in 15), but yall ain't advocating for Mike not needing 11 to be in the convo?
Russell was in The Finals every year of his career except one....
The exact same logic yall are using to apply exclusions and passes FOR Mike, can be used for anyone else...
Make the bullshyt make sense...
So why didn't Mike need 11? Somebody explain to me how Russell is literally the embodiment and originator of defensive domination, has twice as many rings as Mike, won 11 titles in 13 years (which is greater than winning 6 in 15), but yall ain't advocating for Mike not needing 11 to be in the convo?
Russell was in The Finals every year of his career except one....
The exact same logic yall are using to apply exclusions and passes FOR Mike, can be used for anyone else...
Make the bullshyt make sense...
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Jordan>>LeFrozen
It was written in the Bible
To be honest MJ was just that dominant as a cultural figure by 1993, where he didn’t need it plus the era Bill played in..
Lebron has 2011 and a few holes in his resume that, he might need more. I don’t think it’s situation where lebron can say “I got 4 rings I don’t need 6” naw to catch the ghost, he needs to catch up in ring first about even exactly 6, but 5 to sway the public opinion and perception then again, though it does come across hypocritical.
this will be a conversation that will never solve itself unless lebron wins 5. That one title changes everything cause now it’s like “what now? I got 5 I’m only one away”
And perhaps it is stupid to use rings as the end be all but that’s how it’s been forever. Kobe wanted 6 rings to tie MJ. Ring culture will make it that Lebron himself probably won’t be truly satisfied until he has 6. His legacy is set regardless. Where he will stand years, decades from now, though, comes down to rings to be honest. Everything else is cool and all all the points, rebounds, assists, steals etc.. where Bron stands in the long run, however, will come down to how many rings he leaves the league with compared to Michael.
some people look at Bill’s 11 rings the same way they look at Wilts 100. It came in a era that allowed that kind of shyt to happen.
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The Devil's Advocate
Call me Dad
Cause there were 10 teams then... Not too hard to explain
That's why they use the term "MODERN NBA" That was a whole different game back then where you couldn't even cross over and there wasn't even 3 pointers..
fifth column
Superstar
How many teams were in the league when Bill Russell played? How many rounds were in the playoffs? Stop being disingenuous on the Coli
ajnapoleon
Veteran
Nah he can't be the goat
SaS sid as long as he breathing he not gonna let it happen
Rob Parker
Guys like that
Its funny tho that they both have said they have not talked to lebron personally since
Lebron rookie season for rob Parker
And around lebrons 4th season for SAS
Skip never talked to him at all
But they all said they would love to be able to interview him
SaS sid as long as he breathing he not gonna let it happen
Rob Parker
Guys like that
Its funny tho that they both have said they have not talked to lebron personally since
Lebron rookie season for rob Parker
And around lebrons 4th season for SAS
Skip never talked to him at all
But they all said they would love to be able to interview him
But he had YEARS of gettin smacked before that.....everyone always says MJ never lost, but he did, a lot...I was there for it and desperately wanted him to get over the hump (closer to my generation and all).....the ORGANIZATION made moves to get him the help he needed(Bron organization did the exact opposite).....the result of all those grinding years became the ruthless flawless execution that we loved.....but MJ bein 6-0 is misleading, yes he was that in the finals, but in the playoffs overall it’s a different story....from a playoff standpoint he basically broke even from his 1984-1990 career to his 1991-1998 career (minus 1yr).....I think Brons evens out similarly, just obviously different because his career is differentMike never lost in the finals
that ends the debate right there
But if you wanna keep it going...
The nikka threepeat’ed TWICE
took time off in between
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Jordan won a ring at 35.. nikka quit basketball for 2 years because his father was murdered came back and won 3 in a row. You can't question MJs longevity because he went first. If MJ knew what he knows now.. When they broke up the Bulls he would had went to the Knicks, Pacers, or Spurs to get more rings. Jordan on the Wizards was a business move.
Detroit Wave
Veteran
Considering the amount of first round non finals playoff series losses mj got and the fact that bron gonna beat mj in all counting stats, a 5th ring makes him no less than mj equal 
Exactly...imo anyway, I watched Joe dumars lock MJ up, I watched when the Celtics singularly couldn’t handle MJ, but collectively as a team smack fire outta him, cuz his team skills weren’t up to par yet....I remember all this.....people only wanna remember mj six finals years like that’s the end all be allConsidering the amount of first round non finals playoff series losses mj got and the fact that bron gonna beat mj in all counting stats, a 5th ring makes him no less than mj equal
It’s not going to change anything with regards to MJ
He is already the GOAT winning 4 titles with 3 teams and being the best player in all of them
MJ could never did that
Infact he waited for his competition to grow old
Imagine if Lebron only beat the old Celtics and spent the rest of the decade beating up teams similar to this Miami Heat team (with only 1 star) This was MJs career
He is already the GOAT winning 4 titles with 3 teams and being the best player in all of them
MJ could never did that
Infact he waited for his competition to grow old
Imagine if Lebron only beat the old Celtics and spent the rest of the decade beating up teams similar to this Miami Heat team (with only 1 star) This was MJs career
The Devil's Advocate
Call me Dad
Imagine if he teamed up with Drexler and Barkley and won 2... Then left to go team up with Iverson and Garnett for another.... Then at the end, he goes and joins cleveland and young lebron for the last one
Get all the way the fukk out of here... When did switching teams become a harder road
Ben.
Heisenbrook
Grand opening, grand closingHow many rings or FMVPs he wins from this point forward is inconsequential, IMO. I personally don't think him winning a ring/FMVP this season gave him a greater case, simply because he doesn't need to win, he just needed to keep playing at a high level. Winning is all circumstantial; maintaining an all-time level of play isn't.
He's sitting at the same table that MJ is at, and has been for some time, but with that said, I think the time has passed where he can reserve a seat where he's sitting all by himself.
THE MACHINE
night owl
"never been the main guy"?
Bron has been the best player on every team he has been on for 17 years. This year is the only year where its debatable.Wade in '13
Kyrie in '16
Neither of them were top 5 players in the league