Ice Cube: Hip Hop Was Engineered To Fill Up The Penitentiaries

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This has been a long standing myth in Hip Hop. It could be plausible, but I've never heard anyone expound on it because it could be valuable information and a really good discussion. It could also free some people. I've NEVER heard any of these artists who push the "labels own private prisons and push narrative stereotypes to fuel the private prison system" actually tell us:

1) Give us a specific example of a label who engages in the commercialization of the prison system

2) Tell us the difference between the private owned prisons vs. the public ones. This matters.

3) How label money funds the prison system
 

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This has been a long standing myth in Hip Hop. It could be plausible, but I've never heard anyone expound on it because it could be valuable information and a really good discussion. It could also free some people. I've NEVER heard any of these artists who push the "labels own private prisons and push narrative stereotypes to fuel the private prison system" actually tell us:

1) Give us a specific example of a label who engages in the commercialization of the prison system

2) Tell us the difference between the private owned prisons vs. the public ones. This matters.

3) How label money funds the prison system
This article will answer some of what you're asking:
 

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Cube came with amerikkkas most wanted and death certificate and still sold millions

Then him, as well as others MC Lyte, Run DMC jumped on the death row records train and switched they image up for sales

nikka went from black power and bean pies, to crip walking , gang banging and don mega shyt
 

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Well, I'm still not seeing how this would exclusively apply to Hip Hop. These are huge media conglomerates that own labels that are home to pretty much every artist in the industry. Not even limited to just artists, but pretty much all media. The article still doesn't draw the correlation between privately owned prisons and Hip Hop. It also doesn't explain how people end up in private prisons vs. public ones.
 

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Lmao, aint no nobody forcing these nikkas to rap about what they rap about.
He literally said a lot of songs are written by committee. They’re basically told what’s hot and what will get play.
One thing nikkas is gonna do is admit to being easily controlled by white people.
Yeah, because you take someone who doesn’t have money and tell them to make songs about such and such IF they want to get play. Ultimately, the execs control what will get put out. Sure, you can tell them to go independent and put it out on YouTube or something. Everything you see that goes “viral” isn’t organic.
 

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Well, I'm still not seeing how this would exclusively apply to Hip Hop. These are huge media conglomerates that own labels that are home to pretty much every artist in the industry. Not even limited to just artists, but pretty much all media. The article still doesn't draw the correlation between privately owned prisons and Hip Hop. It also doesn't explain how people end up in private prisons vs. public ones.
Exclusivity doesn't matter. For the sake of argument, some of the record labels mentioned in the article are home to acts from other genres as well. Who cares?
What Cube, Special Ed, Dr. Umar, Rev. Calvin Butts (RIP), etc. are saying is "this fire is hot and it will burn you".
What you're saying in response is "fire can possibly burn, but what about this specific fire? Is it an electrical fire or a gas fire? What is the fire's internal temperature? Is this a localized fire, or can it spread? What was the propellant?"
Meanwhile, the fire is still burning. Asking why it's burning doesn't remove the problem.
While your questions are valid, and you're not wrong for asking them; Cube and the other elder statesmen have a valid critique, too.
 

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Bullsht. You have a choice. Rap about positive sht or rap about the fukkery bc it pays more knowing it poisons the mind of the young people. YOU choose to rap about the bullsht :comeon:



Look at Kendrick: he seen some sht growing up. Does he still rap about it like he in it? NO
Same vibes as rappers rapping about trying to make it out the hood, while they are part of the reason the hood is the way it is
 

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Exclusivity doesn't matter. For the sake of argument, some of the record labels mentioned in the article are home to acts from other genres as well. Who cares?
What Cube, Special Ed, Dr. Umar, Rev. Calvin Butts (RIP), etc. are saying is "this fire is hot and it will burn you".
What you're saying in response is "fire can possibly burn, but what about this specific fire? Is it an electrical fire or a gas fire? What is the fire's internal temperature? Is this a localized fire, or can it spread? What was the propellant?"
Meanwhile, the fire is still burning. Asking why it's burning doesn't remove the problem.
While your questions are valid, and you're not wrong for asking them; Cube and the other elder statesmen have a valid critique, too.

Well, if you don't know what kind of fire you're dealing with, you can't safely put it out.

I'm not saying Cube doesn't have a valid critique. Still, we are outside of the house that's burning. Cube was there when the fire started with the arsonists who started the fire. He has information to answer to the necessary questions that could stop the fire from spreading, if not extinguish it altogether.
 

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He literally said a lot of songs are written by committee. They’re basically told what’s hot and what will get play.

Yeah, because you take someone who doesn’t have money and tell them to make songs about such and such IF they want to get play. Ultimately, the execs control what will get put out. Sure, you can tell them to go independent and put it out on YouTube or something. Everything you see that goes “viral” isn’t organic.
Nikka nobody putting a gun to their heads to push them raps...they have a choice
 

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He literally said a lot of songs are written by committee. They’re basically told what’s hot and what will get play.

Yeah, because you take someone who doesn’t have money and tell them to make songs about such and such IF they want to get play. Ultimately, the execs control what will get put out. Sure, you can tell them to go independent and put it out on YouTube or something. Everything you see that goes “viral” isn’t organic.
You're talking to brickwalls breh.

We have a rapper whose been in the industry for decades telling us out of his own mouth what's going on and cats are still in denial for some reason.

At this point we shouldn't even need someone to tell us this.....it should be common sense for anyone with a brain.

I believe 1000000% that music is used to GLAMORIZE a destructive and criminal lifestyle in order to help keep prisons full.

Puppets desperate to get out the hood will always be available to achieve this.
 

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Well, if you don't know what kind of fire you're dealing with, you can't safely put it out.

I'm not saying Cube doesn't have a valid critique. Still, we are outside of the house that's burning. Cube was there when the fire started with the arsonists who started the fire. He has information to answer to the necessary questions that could stop the fire from spreading, if not extinguish it altogether.
That's why Cube (and the other people that I mentioned) are speaking out.
The problem is that when those people share their viewpoints, their critiques get met with "he mad gangster music back in the day", "he's a scammer", "she's old & out of touch", "it's just entertainment", and a bunch of other deflections.
The old guys who are speaking out aren't being listened to because the music still slaps.
Meanwhile, the fire is still burning. We don't care, though; we just want to turn up.
 

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That's why Cube (and the other people that I mentioned) are speaking out.
The problem is that when those people share their viewpoints, their critiques get met with "he mad gangster music back in the day", "he's a scammer", "she's old & out of touch", "it's just entertainment", and a bunch of other deflections.
The old guys who are speaking out aren't being listened to because the music still slaps.
Meanwhile, the fire is still burning. We don't care, though; we just want to turn up.
Why should these young dudes listen to them, when old rappers were on the same shyt until they got money?
 
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