I will never accept modern flamboyant gay people

[MeachTheMonster]

Address your question and more. Light work.

still won't answer huh. fukk it I'll play along.

You're agreeing with me and then disagreeing with an argument that I did not make. It is not disrespectful to compare the justifications used by bigots while promoting bigotry

It is disrespectful to reduce the plight of blacks in America to simple bigotry, which is what you are doing by making the comparision.

especially when the language and logic are completely alike.

They are not the same though. Bigotry against blacks was/is believing they are inferior and don't deserve normal human consideration. Bigotry against gays is about them being nasty or confused. There is a big difference in logic there. Which is why I said there are plenty of other, better examples.

We are not arguing institutional racism, systemic discrimination, or anything else. Again, there is no American parallel to the black experience when it comes to those

There is no way to bring up bigotry torwards blacks in America without invoking those further concepts. Due to history it all comes as one package.

Nobody will hear you say "that's just how they treated black people" and assume you're only talking about bigotry.

I'm not arguing whether blacks have been put through more hell, I'm arguing that individuals who unjustifiably dislike black folks and black culture, use the same phrases as those who unjustifiably dislike homosexual behavior and culture.

Regardless of the issue or where/who it's coming from bigoted language will be similar. If people tell you they feel disrespected by your comparisons. Why do you still insist on using them? There are plenty of good examples out there that wouldn't be seen as disrespectful.

I see what you're doing here and it is inconsistent. In my context, bigoted language is just that.

In this case historical context trumps your own.

You are not absolved from being a bigot because you believe that being gay is unnatural (or insert other belief here).

I agree

Again, we are not discussing institutional discrimination, we are discussing language and how we identify the unique and harmless behavior of certain individuals within a collective to be indicative of the collective itself, or unworthy of acceptance in society.

Why use the black experience for this comparision?

 

[MeachTheMonster]

I think straight men view flamboyant gay men as inferior.

I've never heard that. Only thing I hear is that they are nasty.

 

[Taadow]

I'm arguing that individuals who unjustifiably dislike black folks and black culture, use the same phrases as those who unjustifiably dislike homosexual behavior and culture.

People who dislike anything...will use the same phrases to describe their distate for it...as people who don't like something else.

Wow...that was earth-shattering, sir.

I see what you're doing here and it is inconsistent. In my context, bigoted language is just that. You are not absolved from being a bigot because you believe that being gay is unnatural (or insert other belief here). Again, we are not discussing institutional discrimination, we are discussing language and how we identify the unique and harmless behavior of certain individuals within a collective to be indicative of the collective itself, or unworthy of acceptance in society.

So if we're just discussing the language, "bigotry" is "stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from ones' own".

In this conversation then, you are a "bigot" either way if you don't tolerate the next persons' feelings on whether homosexuality is right or wrong - because both of those are "opinions"...

...which brings us back to the bolded word, which started this thread. The diffence was outlined in here between "acceptance" and "tolerance". You can be "tolerant" of something and be "accepting" of it.

And that, is the exact same nonsense white bigots have used since it became unfashionable to use the word ******.

While we're at it, it's never become "unfashionable" to use that word - it has just been relocated to more exclusive fashion shows.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

You guys aren't going to agree, because some people believe gays are born that way and others dont. That's a whole other thread entirely. That's the defining issues that's keeping this going...

 

[Kid McNamara]

People who dislike anything...will use the same phrases to describe their distate for it...as people who don't like something else.

Wow...that was earth-shattering, sir.



So if we're just discussing the language, "bigotry" is "stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from ones' own".

In this conversation then, you are a "bigot" either way if you don't tolerate the next persons' feelings on whether homosexuality is right or wrong - because both of those are "opinions"...

...which brings us back to the bolded word, which started this thread. The diffence was outlined in here between "acceptance" and "tolerance". You can be "tolerant" of something and be "accepting" of it.



While we're at it, it's never become "unfashionable" to use that word - it has just been relocated to more exclusive fashion shows.

That response was predictable and boring.

So, now we're arguing whether people like or dislike homosexuality, whether it is right or wrong? That wasn't my argument at all dude. I was discussing how bigots use language. Whether or not someone cares for homosexuals or not is kind of a goofy conversation to have.

 

[GoPro]

I don't.

But I know that many people look at me and can't tell the difference between me and say... Chief Keef. That's how racism/homophobia/bigotry works.

You demonize a group. Dehumanize them. Then lump em all together without regard for their individual humanity.

If you're Black and homophobic then shame on you. You deserve the worst of what society has to offer.

You have an all or nothing mentality. You’re the one who “lumps them all together”. If someone white tells me they can’t stand ghetto black ppl, I’ll completely understand cause I can’t either. Was just saying the shyt to myself yesterday. I have no problem with conservative gay folks, except for the whole marriage thing. It’s the Men on Film, mesh tank top and booty shorts-wearing fags that I fukking detest tho.

 

[Taadow]

That response was predictable and boring.

So, now we're arguing whether people like or dislike homosexuality, whether it is right or wrong? That wasn't my argument at all dude. I was discussing how bigots use language. Whether or not someone cares for homosexuals or not is kind of a goofy conversation to have.

We're not arguing about that at all if you don't respond.

Since you were so gung-ho on language I just used the Merriam-Webster dictionary definition of the word you brought to this conversation to show that you are a bigot.

And "whether or not someone cares for homosexuals or not" is the foundation for the theme of this thread. LOL

So I hope you enjoyed this "goofy" conversation.

 

[FijiWatr]

Child molestation is not a victimless act. Do we really need to play this ridiculous game guy?

So, the only criteria for bigotry is that a person be born a certain way? Otherwise, anything goes?

only way you can make the argument is to give me scientific proof people are gay.

I can use science to detect a black man.
Can I use science to detect a gay man?

 

[FijiWatr]

You guys aren't going to agree, because some people believe gays are born that way and others dont. That's a whole other thread entirely. That's the defining issues that's keeping this going...

My lil sister believes in fairy god mothers that doesn't believe it's real.
I only deal with science here. If you can't prove it GTFO

 

[Tommy Knocks]

My lil sister believes in fairy god mothers that doesn't believe it's real.
I only deal with science here. If you can't prove it GTFO

you're on your own in this discussion. these are deep territories I'd rather not get into. I didn't state which one I believe. Just ask 10 gay men and women what they think, and get into it with the actual people that live their lives with it. ask them if it's a choice.

My brain works in a hetero way, its programmed that way and trying to comprehend or dictate or tell them the way they are programmed when you nor I can even begin to comprehend it, is weird imo.

I would like scientific proof there's a heaven tho. that would be a good one.

 

[The Nigerian]

You have an all or nothing mentality. You’re the one who “lumps them all together”. If someone white tells me they can’t stand ghetto black ppl, I’ll completely understand cause I can’t either. Was just saying the shyt to myself yesterday. I have no problem with conservative gay folks, except for the whole marriage thing. It’s the Men on Film, mesh tank top and booty shorts-wearing fags that I fukking detest tho.

You're a "ghetto" black person as far as I'm concerned. See how that works?

 

[Kid McNamara]

We're not arguing about that at all if you don't respond.

Since you were so gung-ho on language I just used the Merriam-Webster dictionary definition of the word you brought to this conversation to show that you are a bigot.

And "whether or not someone cares for homosexuals or not" is the foundation for the theme of this thread. LOL

So I hope you enjoyed this "goofy" conversation.

I will never accept modern flamboyant gay people

Perhaps, but it transitioned into an argument about language and bigotry. I can only speak for what I responded to though. So I'm a bigot for asking questions and pointing out logical inconsistencies?

Again, a lot of you are responding to your own arguments, not mine.

 

[Sonic Boom of the South]

I don't.

But I know that many people look at me and can't tell the difference between me and say... Chief Keef. That's how racism/homophobia/bigotry works.

You demonize a group. Dehumanize them. Then lump em all together without regard for their individual humanity.

If you're Black and homophobic then shame on you. You deserve the worst of what society has to offer.

you are black and a c00n

you are the worst society has to offer

 

[KingDanz]

you are black and a c00n

you are the worst society has to offer

 

[Taadow]

So I'm a bigot for asking questions and pointing out logical inconsistencies?

Nope...you're a bigot because you've positioned yourself as intolerant of the OPs creed, belief, or opinion.