I think I’ve come to the conclusion that exclusives don’t matter

[IsThatBrothaMouzone?]

Also People cannot accept the fact that Xbox simply isn't popular anymore. This is not the 360 Era anymore. When it comes to analyzing and predicting Xbox sales potential and situation people use Xbox 360 sales as reference, as if the 360 was the norm while in reality every Xbox console sold poorly. The 360 was an anomaly.This is why people are always off the mark when predicting Xbox lifetime sales potential.

The Xbox shills are ridiculous especially on Resetera and Twitter.

And even with 360....PS3 had a rough launch but eventually caught up to them by the end of the console life.

My homies all had 360s and every last one of em got RROD. I waited and then bought PS3. They all thought I was crazy but my PS3 still works and sits in my living room next to my PS4 and PS5.

 

[The Mad Titan]

But like you said all those games are on both systems, so if im in the store looking at the shelf and gotta choose, the only differentiation is “what games can’t i play on the other console” and even then a lot of those games have cross play now so that doesn’t even matter.

Theres just no way to downplay what having a good first party line up does for brand awareness. the last of us show is going to increase it even more, people want big award winning games and sony puts out about 3 to 4 every year. So does Nintendo.

The heads of Microsoft know it too, which again is the reason they have been buying so many companies.



And the last part you mentioned is also true we’ve always had playstations, but for the same reason, exclusives. Before they were mostly 3rd party exclusives, from capcom, squaresoft, konami, rockstar, etc. the only difference is now we still get all those games on playstation on top of sonys own studios making AAA award winning games.

smh, if you in a store and trying to decide on a system then you are probably going to get a xbox based on what you just said. People who want playstation go to the store knowing exactly that.

Stop saying gassing up sony's 1st party, there 3rd party exclusive have and always will be there life bread. This year alone if you remove there 3rd party exclusive games yall would have spiderman and Some 600 dollar VR stuff.

Playstation 1st party titles didn't really get really really high quality until late late ps4 era. But then there is good stuff, but nothing remotely on the level of a mario or halo at that time no not even gow, tlous nor uncharted moved systems or was brand like halo at the time.
This shift to 1st party exclusive narrative really got its talking points in 2017 when xbox had all of nothing 1st party wise and little 3rd party outside of the play anywhere stuff they were starting.


So stans rolled with it, if you go back past 2017 most the exclusive discussions you see is around 3rd party games or 1st party sony games that flopped. It just wasn't a focal point.
I've been buying consoles (my own) since the ps1 and it was always a given that Graphics, price, 3rd party exclusives games and multiplayer games (outside of nintendo) where what you looked at when buying a console.


I was preaching how there is a difference between a brand and just being a mascot and how nintendo gets to move like they move because they make CONSISTENT quality games, control there IP's heavy and make sure they Quality control for there 1st party stuff is above average to hi.


But I guess you get it now that sony is trying to do the same thing.


And the reason MS is buying companies is because of gamepass they need to have their own content consistently going into it.
Exclusives matter, but they still don't matter as much as having your platform be the choice spot for multiplayer games among other things. Exclusives are really just the bait, and unlike nintendo who's icons stay young. MS and Sony have to constantly be ready to pump up the next thing.

 

[Fatboi1]

smh, if you in a store and trying to decide on a system then you are probably going to get a xbox based on what you just said. People who want playstation go to the store knowing exactly that.

Stop saying gassing up sony's 1st party, there 3rd party exclusive have and always will be there life bread. This year alone if you remove there 3rd party exclusive games yall would have spiderman and Some 600 dollar VR stuff.

Playstation 1st party titles didn't really get really really high quality until late late ps4 era. But then there is good stuff, but nothing remotely on the level of a mario or halo at that time no not even gow, tlous nor uncharted moved systems or was brand like halo at the time.
This shift to 1st party exclusive narrative really got its talking points in 2017 when xbox had all of nothing 1st party wise and little 3rd party outside of the play anywhere stuff they were starting.


So stans rolled with it, if you go back past 2017 most the exclusive discussions you see is around 3rd party games or 1st party sony games that flopped. It just wasn't a focal point.
I've been buying consoles (my own) since the ps1 and it was always a given that Graphics, price, 3rd party exclusives games and multiplayer games (outside of nintendo) where what you looked at when buying a console.


I was preaching how there is a difference between a brand and just being a mascot and how nintendo gets to move like they move because they make CONSISTENT quality games, control there IP's heavy and make sure they Quality control for there 1st party stuff is above average to hi.


But I guess you get it now that sony is trying to do the same thing.


And the reason MS is buying companies is because of gamepass they need to have their own content consistently going into it.
Exclusives matter, but they still don't matter as much as having your platform be the choice spot for multiplayer games among other things. Exclusives are really just the bait, and unlike nintendo who's icons stay young. MS and Sony have to constantly be ready to pump up the next thing.

WHAT!?

Dog, PS3 around 2009 and up started pouring in the exclusives that were high quality to where personal Xbots I know were noticing. I'm talking "PS3 trash" type of guys who would then be like "Yooo that Uncharted crazy son" type of notice.

I literally was a 360 head up until I had a RROD system and didn't buy a new one at the time since PS3 got a price drop and I was like whatever let me try the PS3 out.


Pre "late" PS4 era exclusive that were DOPE:

Uncharted 2, Uncharted 3, TLOU, LittleBigplanet, GT, Infamous 1+2, Killzone 2+3, Resistance 2/3, Heavy Rain/Beyond 2 souls, Ratchet and Clank games, God of War 3 etc. You are BUGGING out on this one breh. Those games were certainly pivotal in shifting the gaming mindshare to Playstation.

Quality wise I had even more fun playing LBP 1 and 2 back then than I did playing Mario Galaxy. It wasn't as "tight" platforming-wise because of the physics system and the floatiness made it weird but fun-wise it was a great game I sunk hours into. Uncharted 2 and 3 for me took so much of my gaming hours online, even more so than Halo 3 which I loved. Maybe not for the entire community but let's not downplay great games here.

 

[The Mad Titan]

WHAT!?

Dog, PS3 around 2009 and up started pouring in the exclusives that were high quality. I literally was a 360 head up until I had a RROD and didn't buy a new one at the time since PS3 got a price drop and I was like whatever let me try the PS3 out.


Pre "late" PS4 era exclusive that were DOPE:

Uncharted 2, Uncharted 3, TLOU, LittleBigplanet, GT, Infamous 1+2, Killzone 2+3, Resistance 2/3, Heavy Rain/Beyond 2 souls, Ratchet and Clank games, God of War 3 etc. You are BUGGING out on this one breh.

More than half of what you listed weren't 1st party games at the time.

This is exactly what I'm talking about.
Sony was not a 1st party power house and never was until pretty recently.
And it just so happens that when they this talk of having to have 1st party exclusives to be successful started to happen also.
Sony has always been powerhouse when it comes to locking up exclusive 3rd party games though. It's literally how they broke into the market successfully.


There strength is making it all seem seamless, and if they really like what you are doing and they can afford you they buy you.

 

[Fatboi1]

More than half of what you listed weren't 1st party games at the time.

This is exactly what I'm talking about.
Sony was not a 1st party power house and never was until pretty recently.
And it just so happens that when they this talk of having to have 1st party exclusives to be successful started to happen also.
Sony has always been powerhouse when it comes to locking up exclusive 3rd party games though. It's literally how they broke into the market successfully.


There strength is making it all seem seamless, and if they really like what you are doing and they can afford you they buy you.

This is semantic nonsense. You know damn well what I meant.

They were EXCLUSIVES, just like how nobody cared that Sunset Overdrive or Titanfall 1 weren't "1st party" titles yet if it was only on that platform it was seen as a plus. Keep up man. Those games you bolded were not on other platforms at all and most still aren't except the Quantic Dreams games.

 

[The Mad Titan]

This is semantic nonsense. You know damn well what I meant.

They were EXCLUSIVES, just like how nobody cared that Sunset Overdrive or Titanfall 1 weren't "1st party" titles yet if it was only on that platform it was seen as a plus. Keep up man. Those games you bolded were not on other platforms at all and most still aren't except the Quantic Dreams games.

Buts It's not semantics, Im literally talking about 1st party exclusives and the "phenomenon" that Xbox needs 1st party exclusives in order to compete and how the talking point of what system to buy is now 1st party exclusives. NOT just exclusives but 1st party exclusives.



Even the OP tweets mentions how xbox needs more 1st party exclusives.

It's something that masses have been set up to challenge or ask well when is it coming to PS that the same fan base doesn't do for PS and Nintendo. A timed exclusive can drop on nintendo or Sony and the question isn't well when is this coming to "other systems" it's just assumed its a exclusive for that system. Xbox doesn't get that luxury, anytime a timed exclusive or other drops Sony stans are quick to try and find out when or if it's coming to their platform. And if it's not there are usually crazy stories circling around about how xbox did xyz to make sure it a playstation version didn't happen.


A recent good example of this is hi fi rush, after the drop all of a sudden there was noise spreading around about how their might have been a PS version or there is a PS version that got axed because of MS.

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

 

[The Mad Titan]

MS now is in a position where they can't really just buy up exclusive titles to lock down. ( unless the ABK deal fails) They need to have studios lots of them, under their banner to keep gamepass attractive.


I think what the market is showing them now is that all the "value" talk of video gamers and price talk is really just hot air. If you market it to them right gamers will by anything and skip value just to have the "cool" thing. Both sony and nintendo could care less about value, they charge what they charge and it's take it or leave it.


This really shouldn't be a surprise though, actual human behavior supports this theory. Gamers create huge echo chamber talking points.

IMO what gamepass should do is offer another tier one that gets access to more 3rd party games day and date, or early access, but maybe only for 30 days or 30 days of playtime once you start it. Or they could go the sega channel route and have a tier that rotates games out each month.
Anyway the locking up exclusives is harder for them now that they have commited to gamepass, because if its an a exclusive it should be on gamepass. At some point I'm sure that won't happen (it does now) but with a popular title that MS backs and it'll be a huge point of contention.

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

I think what the market is showing them now is that all the "value" talk of video gamers and price talk is really just hot air. If you market it to them right gamers will by anything and skip value just to have the "cool" thing. Both sony and nintendo could care less about value, they charge what they charge and it's take it or leave it.

We’ve been saying this for two years.

Series S-style consoles ‘have not had great results’, says PlayStation boss | VGC

Jim Ryan claims Sony considered a lower spec PS5, but decided it would be too ‘problematic’…

www.videogameschronicle.com

We already saw the results of a cheaper console when Nintendo priced the GameCube at 100 dollars and dreamcast launched at 199 and also got a price cut to 100. They were still outsold by more expensive consoles

The series s could also be 100 dollars and it would still be outsold by the more expensive 500 dollar consoles. Thats why i had to laugh at people thinking sony was gonna take a hit for raising prices

Value is in the eyes of the beholder. Its not driven solely by price

 

[The Mad Titan]

We’ve been saying this for two years.

Series S-style consoles ‘have not had great results’, says PlayStation boss | VGC

Jim Ryan claims Sony considered a lower spec PS5, but decided it would be too ‘problematic’…

www.videogameschronicle.com

We already saw the results of a cheaper console when Nintendo priced the GameCube at 100 dollars and dreamcast launched at 199 and also got a price cut to 100. They were still outsold by more expensive consoles

The series s could also be 100 dollars and it would still be outsold by the more expensive 500 dollar consoles. Thats why i had to laugh at people thinking sony was gonna take a hit for raising prices

Value is in the eyes of the beholder. Its not driven solely by price

Value is very very important. It's just overblown, the thing is gamers are the ones talking about how they want value, and they want to preserve games and access. But in reality the ones talking about it the most care about it the least.

No one expected the Series S to outsell playstation 5's, especially with gamepass and all around access to games that don't depend on hardware. But the series s was and is super critical to getting a lot of people to even try out xbox hardware because it's such a great value with very small commitment.
MS is still leaning to heavy into value right now, it's been 4 years of crazy value. Up the prices and keep it moving.. Which I guess they are kind of starting with Japan and the xbox.

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

alue is very very important. It's just overblown, the thing is gamers are the ones talking about how they want value,

Naw, no one actually says this, outside of the narrative around the series s or gamepass with those gamers lapping up their marketing pitch

Most people don’t care how expensive game consoles are and then theres the other side who are spending two stacks on gaming pc’s. Nintendo released a more expensive version of the switch and its selling more than the cheapest models.

Upping the prices after discounting them last year isn’t going to do the series s any favors though. You can’t put that toothpaste back in the tube

 

[MarcP]

The cadence of releases is trash. Second half of 2021 was great and then 2022 games got pushed back and they had to sustain off Grounded, As Dusk Falls, and Pentiment. Only Xbox faithful are checking for those. They gotta get their AAA lineup in order. Also their AAA games need to look AAA. Xbox needs some visual showcases if they want to pull people off of Playstation. Redfall and Starfield visuals aren't going to cut it.

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

The cadence of releases is trash. Second half of 2021 was great and then 2022 games got pushed back and they had to sustain off Grounded, As Dusk Falls, and Pentiment. Only Xbox faithful are checking for those. They gotta get their AAA lineup in order. Also their AAA games need to look AAA. Xbox needs some visual showcases if they want to pull people off of Playstation. Redfall and Starfield visuals aren't going to cut it.

They didn’t release one game last year with an actual physical copy, thats how bad it was

 

[ORDER_66]

Wait til GTA 6 comes out and it's the only game NOT on gamepass... rockstar want their paper Ms gonna learn