I think Hugh Jackman is going to play Wolverine again

[itsyoung!!]

Days of Future's Past may not be the very best, but it's rewatchability is

Logan 1a - days of future past 1b. I think MOST would agree these are the best 2 xmen related movies.

 

[8WON6]

So you're cool settling with the dinner of appetizers you've had so far and don't want the main course? Spiderman and X-Men are the marvel main event always have been.

Regarding the plan, they're seemingly presenting a multiversal illuminati or counsel which Fox's Professor X is on, in the next Dr. Strange movie. So, essentially Fox's entire Xmen run and related movies are just in a different universe and the effecnts of Loki, Wandavision, and Spiderman NWH have broken those walls completely.

they haven't needed mutants. And damn near every live action attempt at mutants has been some bullshyt. They simply don't need mutants. They didn't even need Spiderman.

 

[Kaydigi]

Here I thought we were having a legit conversation. The og x men trilogy did not age well at all. Have you tried watching this movie lately? Its pretty horrible.

days of future past top tier as well though.

Yes X2 is still dope. Night crawler stole the show

 

[Ed MOTHEREFFING G]

they haven't needed mutants. And damn near every live action attempt at mutants has been some bullshyt. They simply don't need mutants. They didn't even need Spiderman.

I'm sure they like money though right?

title - domestic gross - # of releases
Marvel Cinematic Universe $9,920,464,577 30 - $330 million per release
Spider-Man $3,297,586,258 10 - $330 million per release
X-Men $2,458,462,356 14 - $175 million per release

So, please explain why disney doesn't need to make an additional $330 million domestic per Spiderman movie or to GROW the $175 million per movie for X-Men [btw...the biggest mcu movies ever feature....spiderman ]

 

[8WON6]

I'm sure they like money though right?

title - domestic gross - # of releases
Marvel Cinematic Universe $9,920,464,577 30 - $330 million per release
Spider-Man $3,297,586,258 10 - $330 million per release
X-Men $2,458,462,356 14 - $175 million per release

So, please explain why disney doesn't need to make an additional $330 million domestic per spdierman movie or to GROW the $175 million per movie for X-Men

they literally did not need spiderman. this is a factual statement. the mcu was perfectly fine without him. They would be fine without mutants. these weird spiderman fans wanted spiderman in the mcu not the other way around. LOL. They did a billion with Captain Marvel. The MCU was doing numbers with Antman and GOTG. Spiderman needed them. And i keep having to say this, but if you notice the 3 spiderman MCU movies were largely self-contained and had nothing to do with other MCU shyt. Had to bring in Iron man and Strange to help.

again, the MCU does not need Spiderman. or the X-men.

 

[Ed MOTHEREFFING G]

they literally did not need spiderman. this is a factual statement. the mcu was perfectly fine without him. They would be fine without mutants. these weird spiderman fans wanted spiderman in the mcu not the other way around. LOL. They did a billion with Captain Marvel. The MCU was doing numbers with Antman and GOTG. Spiderman needed them. And i keep having to say this, but if you notice the 3 spiderman MCU movies were largely self-contained and had nothing to do with other MCU shyt. Had to bring in Iron man and Strange to help.

again, the MCU does not need Spiderman. or the X-men.

Marvel without spiderman is LESSER than marvel with Spiderman - THAT is factual. He is ALWAYS the marvel main event. MCU literally bent over to get him in that abomination version of Civil War. And No Way Home, a SONY release is $55 million short of passing every mcu movie ever.

Marvel might not 'need' X-Men, but tell me how fresh the MCU is looking with its next wave of releasing including

• Another Dr. Strange [B List] movie, which does look great
• Another Thor move [B+ list]
• A Black panther movie in production hell missing its lead (RIP)
• Another horrific Captain Marvel movie
• Another Guardians movie [C list]
• Another Antman and Wasp movie [C list]
• Ms. Marvel TV series [D- List]
• She Hulk TV Series [D list]
• Another Captain America movie [tell me how much you loved Falcon & Winter Soldier]
• Moon Night TV series [C List]
• Secret Invasion [I'm anticipating it but the Skrulls are inherently B list]

So, WITHOUT the IP you're talking about them 'not needing', they're going well down the list of their star characters and are now down to making dedicated She Hulk content and a 3rd and 4th round of sequels. On the flip side if you include what they've acquired or partnered:

• Fantastic 4 [fox acquisition - historically A to A- listers. They'll need a rehab]
• X-Men [fox acquisition - A Listers]
• Blade [New Line Cinema acquisition - A Lister]
• Deadpool [fox acquisition - A Lister]

So if the future the MCU is the top list, without the input or movies from the bottom list, tell me again that MCU does not 'need' spiderman or the X-men . You gonna pre-order tickets to Kang vs. Captain Marvel with Kate Bishop and Falcon??

 

[8WON6]

Marvel without spiderman is LESSER than marvel with Spiderman - THAT is factual. He is ALWAYS the marvel main event. MCU literally bent over to get him in that abomination version of Civil War. And No Way Home, a SONY release is $55 million short of passing every mcu movie ever.

Marvel might not 'need' X-Men, but tell me how fresh the MCU is looking with its next wave of releasing including

• Another Dr. Strange [B-List] movie, which does look great
• Another Thor move [B+ list]
• A Black panther movie in production hell missing its lead (RIP)
• Another horrific Captain Marvel movie
• Another Guardians movie [C list]
• Another Antman and Wasp movie [C list]
• Ms. Marvel TV series [D- List]
• She Hulk TV Series [D list]
• Another Captain America movie [tell me how much you loved Falcon & Winter Soldier]
• Moon Night TV series [C List]
• Secret Invasion [I'm anticipating it but the Skrulls are inherently B list]

So, WITHOUT the IP you're talking about them 'not needing', they're going well down the list of their star characters and are now down to making dedicated She Hulk content and a 3rd and 4th round of sequels. On the flip side if you include what they've acquired or partnered:

• Fantastic 4 [fox acquisition - historically A to A- listers. They'll need a rehab]
• X-Men [fox acquisition - A Listers]
• Blade [New Line Cinema acquisition - A Lister]
• Deadpool [fox acquisition - A Lister]

So if the future the MCU is the top list, without the input or movies from the bottom list, tell me again that MCU does not 'need' spiderman or the X-men . You gonna pre-order tickets to Kang vs. Captain Marvel with Kate Bishop and Falcon??

They don't need spiderman. They will be fine. The first 3 phases of the MCU was filled with sequels that all built up to something. They have a formula that has worked. The sum is better than the individual parts. And i'll repeat, damn near every live action mutant project has been dogshyt. There's a reason nikkas not asking for that X-men universe to fire back and they want the mutants in the MCU.

And i don't have to pivot away from "not needing". this is an easy square to stand on.

Dawg, let's call it what it is, the MCU took a bunch of "b-list" marvel characters and showed Fox and Sony how its done, now people tryna claim the MCU NEED the fox and sony shyt. they don't need them.

 

[Ed MOTHEREFFING G]

They don't need spiderman. They will be fine. The first 3 phases of the MCU was filled with sequels that all built up to something. They have a formula that has worked. The sum is better than the individual parts. And i'll repeat, damn near every live action mutant project has been dogshyt. There's a reason nikkas not asking for that X-men universe to fire back and they want the mutants in the MCU.

And i don't have to pivot away from "not needing". this is an easy square to stand on.

Dawg, let's call it what it is, the MCU took a bunch of "b-list" marvel characters and showed Fox and Sony how its done, now people tryna claim the MCU NEED the fox and sony shyt. they don't need them.

So your reasoning for why they don't need spiderman is because 'they don't need spiderman' even though I showed the case that

1. They want more money and spiderman PRINTS money
2. they aren't BUYING the previous x-men live action movies...they're bought the CHARACTERS who are MORE IMPORTANT than the phase 4 movie leads that are projected...please predict right now that Antman Quantamania will out gross the eventual MCU X-men movie...please, I want that on record.

Disney NEEDS more money. Tell their shareholders and producers they don't. And Xmen and spiderman will make MORE MONEY than anything on the above MCU Phase 4 list. Nobody is saying disney needs sony or fox...they need wolverine and spiderman

 

[chico25]

So your reasoning for why they don't need spiderman is because 'they don't need spiderman' even though I showed the case that

1. They want more money and spiderman PRINTS money
2. they aren't BUYING the previous x-men live action movies...they're bought the CHARACTERS who are MORE IMPORTANT than the phase 4 movie leads that are projected...please predict right now that Antman Quantamania will out gross the eventual MCU X-men movie...please, I want that on record.

Disney NEEDS more money. Tell their shareholders and producers they don't. And Xmen and spiderman will make MORE MONEY than anything on the above MCU Phase 4 list. Nobody is saying disney needs sony or fox...they need wolverine and spiderman

The only reason Sony did a deal with Marvel is because they were having diminishing returns on Spider-Man. If Sony were making billions with Spider-Man he wouldn't be in the MCU. The movie that made so much money with Spider-Man was an MCU movie with Dr. Strange all in the video. It included Daredevil for a quick cameo. It also brought in the multiverse that Marvel set up.

In the case of who needs who, Marvel has multiple billion dollar movies with no Spider-Man but Spider-Man has no billion dollar movies without the MCU.

 

[Ed MOTHEREFFING G]

The only reason Sony did a deal with Marvel is because they were having diminishing returns on Spider-Man. If Sony were making billions with Spider-Man he wouldn't be in the MCU. The movie that made so much money with Spider-Man was an MCU movie with Dr. Strange all in the video. It included Daredevil for a quick cameo. It also brought in the multiverse that Marvel set up.

In the case of who needs who, Marvel has multiple billion dollar movies with no Spider-Man but Spider-Man has no billion dollar movies without the MCU.

First, your “billion dollar movies” goalpost is disingenuous when no comic movie in history had reached that plateau until 2008, and no marvel comic character movie regardless of studio had until the Avengers. Spiderman had every single marvel box office record until that point. So the idea that spiderman was no big deal is just the stupidest shyt ever. And, marvel agreed to partner with sony because sony said “fukk you we aren't selling” and Amy Pascal threw a fukkin sandwich and feige. Do you understand that marvel was so thirsty for Spiderman that they entered a partner deal with sony after Pascal threw food at that man? And they put venom in the post credits stinger? And they showed 3 other sony spiderman stars to help their storytelling?

sony had the cards. Marvel needs the stars. And spiderman is a much bigger star than everyone in mcu. That is just unarguable.

i already shared my thoughts in my last 3 replies, but the point is the future of mcu is looking real B-grade for characters, and Marvel and disney know they need the x men, spiderman, and netflix (punisher and daredevil) character star power they lack going forward.

 

[chico25]

First, your “billion dollar movies” goalpost is disingenuous when no comic movie in history had reached that plateau until 2008, and no marvel comic character movie regardless of studio had until the Avengers. Spiderman had every single marvel box office record until that point. So the idea that spiderman was no big deal is just the stupidest shyt ever. And, marvel agreed to partner with sony because sony said “fukk you we aren't selling” and Amy Pascal threw a fukkin sandwich and feige. Do you understand that marvel was so thirsty for Spiderman that they entered a partner deal with sony after Pascal threw food at that man? And they put venom in the post credits stinger? And they showed 3 other sony spiderman stars to help their storytelling?

sony had the cards. Marvel needs the stars. And spiderman is a much bigger star than everyone in mcu. That is just unarguable.

i already shared my thoughts in my last 3 replies, but the point is the future of mcu is looking real B-grade for characters, and Marvel and disney know they need the x men, spiderman, and netflix (punisher and daredevil) character star power they lack going forward.

You made this about money so I pointed out a fact about box office returns.

I didn't say Spider-Man was no big deal, I said they were having diminishing returns. The Amazing Spider-Man came out the same year as the Avengers but didn't hit the same box office receipts as that movie. In fact it made less than Spider-Man 3, which many considered the worst Spider-Man movie.

Then Ironman 3 hit the billon dollar mark again and Marvel made that a regular thing, with not all of their movies hitting that mark but it not being surprising when they did. In 2014 the Amazing Spider-Man 2 came out and made less than the first. The movies were on a downward trajectory. That's why Sony was open to a deal, Marvel was making money hand over fist with their movies while Spider-Man was moving in the wrong direction.

Do you honestly believe that Civil War, Infinity War and Endgame would have made significantly less money if Spider-Man weren't in them?

Last point, the reason the MCU works is that it doesn't rely on star power. It makes you care about characters you don't know about by building a good story around them.

 

[Ed MOTHEREFFING G]

Then Ironman 3 hit the billon dollar mark again and Marvel made that a regular thing, with not all of their movies hitting that mark but it not being surprising when they did. In 2014 the Amazing Spider-Man 2 came out and made less than the first. The movies were on a downward trajectory. That's why Sony was open to a deal, Marvel was making money hand over fist with their movies while Spider-Man was moving in the wrong direction.

Do you honestly believe that Civil War, Infinity War and Endgame would have made significantly less money if Spider-Man weren't in them?

While your points are valid, the benefit of getting spiderman back in the house at some level outweighs any positive sony got. Spiderman is the main event and marvel gave confessions (partnership) to have him back.

 

[HipHopStan]

That's his choice. I'd give him extra respect if he stuck to his guns and didn't come back though. Logan is my GOAT comic book movie and it was the perfect send off for his Wolverine character.

"So this is what it feels like."

That's the closest that I've ever got to crying during a comic book film.

 

[Jazzy B.]

Of course he is.

They are bringing Professor X back in Doctor Strange, you just watched a Spiderman movie where they brought Will Dafoe, Doc Ock. Tobey Maguire etc all back.

There's no point casting a new Wolverine when Hugh Jackman is there and his Wolverine interacting with The Avengers in a one off movie will print easy money.

That's the whole point of the MCU which is the crossovers.

 

[LordDeathwatch]

Do you honestly believe that Civil War, Infinity War and Endgame would have made significantly less money if Spider-Man weren't in them?

Repped for this specifically. If there's brehs who actually believe this.