I still dont understand how Lex Luger flopped so bad in the WWF?

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you could not have seen luger/flair.
then turned on the tv...then saw flair on wwf.

then saw nwa and luger was now a heel.

luger being turned an awful heel and no explanation on tv, for flair's absence.

was one of the worst wtf is this basura bullshyt times in wrasslin.

luger was never and should never have been a heel.

when flair left,..luger should have been awarded the title in tounie as a bf.

they turned him over windham and luger was never a talker.

now in the shadow of flair as a talker he was horrifically exposed.

if nwa would have just let luger come to the ring after gaining the title as a bf.

squashing cannon fodder and booked him dominantly,..he would have maintwained his draw and never been exposed.

herd's ineptitude to try to make another flair,..withoit flair's talent.

hurt the nwa, and most importsntly luger all time afterward.

as his heel turn turned off all the fans of luger.

art barr

I wasn't a fan of Luger's initial heel turn when hewon his first world titlebut ityad nothing to do with Flair. No one was overthinking things so deeply that seeing heel Flair in WWE and heel Luger in WCW was going to cause a disconnect of any kind.
I do understand the reasoning because they lost their top heel and needed someone to fill that vacuum. I just think itcould have been handled much better. That being said, once Luger was fully ensconced in that role it started to work for him. He worked really well as the ego driven, scumbag heel with Harley Race as his manager and Mr. Hughes as his bodyguard. I even liked his racist feud with Ron Simmons where he offered Ron a job as his driver.
The only thing that could be seen as possibly causing his status to suffer was his contract issues with WCW near the end of his run there. Dude was barely making appearances leading up to his losing the belt to Sting and jumping ship to WWE.
 

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I wasn't a fan of Luger's initial heel turn when hewon his first world titlebut ityad nothing to do with Flair. No one was overthinking things so deeply that seeing heel Flair in WWE and heel Luger in WCW was going to cause a disconnect of any kind.
I do understand the reasoning because they lost their top heel and needed someone to fill that vacuum. I just think itcould have been handled much better. That being said, once Luger was fully ensconced in that role it started to work for him. He worked really well as the ego driven, scumbag heel with Harley Race as his manager and Mr. Hughes as his bodyguard. I even liked his racist feud with Ron Simmons where he offered Ron a job as his driver.
The only thing that could be seen as possibly causing his status to suffer was his contract issues with WCW near the end of his run there. Dude was barely making appearances leading up to his losing the belt to Sting and jumping ship to WWE.


luger was awful in the heel role as hw champion in nwa/wcw.

it was the beginning of wcw/nwa being awful in quality that signaled the end of the impending end of the nwa, as s tv draw.

it is the catalyst that allowed turner to gain the nwa talent to spin wcw off, into its own entity.

luger as a heel was the dumbest move you could have made, EVER!!

as everyone knew flair would eventually come back to nwa, or the wcw entity.

over time,...all nwa had to do was book luger as a bf,....and put on squashes via rack submissions every week and luger would have drawn hugely.

luger was the best single first year bf promotional star.

after the loss of nwa's version of the higher quality hogun, magnum TA.

all every kid wanted to see was finally a hogun like bf best flair.

or at least get the title someway off flair. ala, the booking of the title change match thst never happened between flair/luger. where if flair was disqualified luger got the title.

when that match never happened and luger turned heel. they upset the direction of the promotion and disturbed the braintrust of the fans.

so profoundly,...it became the catalyst of why no one remembers the nwa. after wcw came about,....

originally nwa was the best quality wrasslin in all of north america domestically.

when herd's inept ass booked luger as a heel over windham of all people.

he killed the promotion in one fell lethal swoop.

that is also,...why luger is blamed erroneously for the death of the nwa.

when herd shouldn'tl have been blamed for such a poor errant choice in booking and luger's character.

all herd had to do was have luger get awarded the title,..from a flair no show.

it was a simple booking decision,....you play ric's music,..he doesn't show, through the curtain...

disqualifying flair and awarding luger the title...herd over thought The entire elegance of years of nwa continuity and even luger/flair.

that is why the nwa is never recognized by attitude era/nwo fans.

as nwo/attitude era fans never saw the greatness of the nwa as a promotion.

or the classic feud of luger as a bf, versus flair.

luger was in five star tv matches with flair

not to mention,..... imo,..one of the best all time psychology workrate endings ever in a five star match as well.

plus arguesbly the best actual consistent hw psychology workrate feuds of my childhood.

that easily eclipse any wwf matches or feuds i have ever seen.

plus on top of that chemistry,..the continuity of their encouters always added on to the classic greatness of luger in chase of flair.

that simple chase formula fueled the numerous classic flair encounters.

plus the endings were the stuff of legend, workrate and psychology.

very few will ever really match or outdo,..when it came to a high quality long term chase feud for the hw big gold belt.

when luger turned heel,..herd's overthought decision damaged the beautiful continuity of the entire promotion.

leading it to the poor house and eventually in turner's hand on a cheap paper plate.


art barr
 

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yea, the whole hhh/booker t feud was a str8 rip of the lex luger/ron simmons feud, all the way down to ric flair playing the role of harley race. all they were missing was a big black bodyguard to play the role of mr hughes.
 

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He was a very generic face
By the end of his term the attitude era was kickin in and he was left out. Personality wise he had nothing compared to some of the new players that came in.
 

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wwe fukked him over that year they had him and bret both win the rumble and get title shots at wrestlemania

these dumb muthafukkas had Luger lose to Yoko and Bret lose to Owen clean then had Bret beat Yoko for the title all in the same night :snoop:

what they shouldve did was have Luger beat Yoko for the belt then have Bret beat Owen and then have Owen interfere and cost Bret the belt against Luger


yes,......even keith has said on numerous occassion.

owen screws bret after the luger title win over yoko.


should have been the accurrate booking and ending to that mania, as well.

instead we got one of the worst endings to a mania quality wise ever.

art barr
 

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He was a very generic face
By the end of his term the attitude era was kickin in and he was left out. Personality wise he had nothing compared to some of the new players that came in.

the end of his term where? he left the wwf in '95. there was no attitude era kicking in.

and half of the attitude era wasnt chit anyway.
 

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What kind of disgusting, disspibal...despicable, lack of respect does that The G.O.D II what's his name show, making a thread about the "Total Package" Lex Luger :mad:

Can The Coli even afford to pay Lex to respond to this question? I don't knoooooooooooooooooooow.

He's one of the biggest, legends, stars, GAHHHHHHHHWD :mad:

*can't take t-shirt off*
 
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yes,......even keith has said on numerous occassion.

owen screws bret after the luger title win over yoko.


should have been the accurrate booking and ending to that mania, as well.

instead we got one of the worst endings to a mania quality wise ever.

art barr

That would have been awful AWFUL booking and the worst finish. Why would they screw bret 2 manias in a row?? That whole show was about him. That was one of the best booked manias ever
 

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whats? I dont remember that. how'd that all go down

They showed it durin' the ppv. I guess it was to set up Luger/Bret after Mania (still never seen the match :snoop:).

Anyway Bret/Mean Gene was addressin' the audience, while Luger was in the cut schemin'. Luger then snuck him with the quick forearm shot and dipped.

I was like :damn::to:.

Oh shyt, actually found a clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6RpiGFeOks#t=00m24s

Edit: If you listen, you can hear Ted Dibiase laughin' in the background :laugh:
 

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wwe fukked him over that year they had him and bret both win the rumble and get title shots at wrestlemania

these dumb muthafukkas had Luger lose to Yoko and Bret lose to Owen clean then had Bret beat Yoko for the title all in the same night :snoop:

what they shouldve did was have Luger beat Yoko for the belt then have Bret beat Owen and then have Owen interfere and cost Bret the belt against Luger

Nah... that was the perfect story... especially since Bret was the one who was most over, and really deserved the run he got with the belt.

I would've had Luger go over Yoko though... Bret/Lex prob. would've been a better main event at the end of the show.

But the way it was set up worked great. Owen goes over Bret in a match that puts him over (remember, he had just turned and wasn't really over at all, he needed the win more than Bret)... so Bret starts off on a bad note. Yoko goes over Luger... Bret bounces back from his loss earlier and wins the belt, with Owen looking on jealous that Bret has the spotlight once again... which sets up the continuation of Bret/Owen's feud, with Owen holding over Bret's head that he beat him once and can beat him again.

It's one of the better parts of the WWF in that era. When they cared about a storyline enough, they'd set it up perfectly. It didn't always happen like that, but with their top stars, they always seemed to craft their stories right. Same with the HBK/Diesel shyt.

But fukk Luger in '94-'95. That Lex Express shyt was weak, and it's probably better that he went back to WCW. Who knows how long he would've had to do that lame shyt he was doing in the WWF. They prob. shoulda actually turned him heel and put him with DiBiase after all.
 
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