"I respect Puffy as a Businessman but as a musician, He HURT the artform "Dr Dre

[Bruce LeRoy]

People bringing up Daz as an example of him using ghost producers, c'mon now... Daz is a solid producer but the best beat he's made post Death Row was mixed by Dr Dre..



And this was off an album that was entirely co produced by Mike Dean. The song that Dre ONLY mixed for them was better than every other song on that album. I'm not saying he doesn't fall into doing lazy samples at times but he's far more talented than some of you are making him out to be and it's flat out disrespectful to even put Puff next to him as if he's some equally talented guy.. SMH.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

This whole post is wrong as fukk and shows u haven’t really watched Verzuz and Timbo and Swizz had like 3 Verzuz already. The latest one was just a few months back. Lol. Teddy Riley and Babyface was one of the first really big Verzuz battles. Alotta people chiming in on this shyt and haven’t even been watching these shyts. I can think of a select few people on my hand from this site that been watching all of em. @dora_da_destroyer is one of em.

RZA vs Premier is exactly what this could look like, and was one of the best versuz yet

 

[Clayton Endicott]

Now we're giving Diddy credit for the work done by the hitmen?

Diddy wasn't out there creating music.

How are people letting Diddy disrespecting people like Dre, Premo, rZA, Pete, etc? Diddy ain't no musician.

Dre is a musician but he also had a lot of lazy sampling: nuthing but a g thang, i can't give him credit for that

That's why I don't appreciate him dissing JD like that. That dolphin tooth b*stard knows good and goddamn well he wasn't making those beats like that.

 

[JustCKing]

Why are people making this about beats? Verzuz is a song battle. If this was a beat battle like Verzuz was initially set up to be, I would see the point, but its not.

 

[Redwing80]

Why are people making this about beats? Verzuz is a song battle. If this was a beat battle like Verzuz was initially set up to be, I would see the point, but its not.

The thread is literally about sampling

 

[Yehuda]

How is interpolation any more creative than straight-up sampling? He really was only interpolating songs instead of sampling so he could get around licensing issues and just pay whomever composed the record and not the record company.

I'm all for disrespecting Puffy but I'm not sure about this one.

 

[Bruce LeRoy]

How is interpolation any more creative than straight-up sampling? He really was only interpolating songs instead of sampling so he could get around licensing issues and just pay whomever composed the record and not the record company.

I'm all for disrespecting Puffy but I'm not sure about this one.

My biggest issue with Dre when it came to him being lazy.. was how he would shark other producers/rap artist. Like Next Episode.... I specifically remember the Missing Linx track MIA before Dre dropped 2001, that song was popular on hip hop radio shows as far a where I lived at the time in Fresno, college radio and KMEL [those were the 2 main stations I'd listen to hip hop on the weekends]

 

[Knicksman20]

My biggest issue with Dre when it came to him being lazy.. was how he would shark other producers/rap artist. Like Next Episode.... I specifically remember the Missing Linx track MIA before Dre dropped 2001, that song was popular on hip hop radio shows as far a where I lived at the time in Fresno, college radio and KMEL [those were the 2 main stations I'd listen to hip hop on the weekends]

Wow! Didn't know that & they're nice

 

[King Ming]

Dre and Puff should do a Rhythm Roulette type battle. Give em a bunch of records and the sample & produce that shyt on the spot.

We all know Dre would destroy Puff

 

[28 Gramz]

Jermaine Dupri is a better producer than Diddy. Puff just has his name attached to bigger records.

 

[Hannibal Fox]

My biggest issue with Dre when it came to him being lazy.. was how he would shark other producers/rap artist. Like Next Episode.... I specifically remember the Missing Linx track MIA before Dre dropped 2001, that song was popular on hip hop radio shows as far a where I lived at the time in Fresno, college radio and KMEL [those were the 2 main stations I'd listen to hip hop on the weekends]

IIRC he took the beat from Tash, who used it on his LP Rap Life for Fallin On, the Missin Linx joint was my shyt, I used to think he sharked that shyt too, I was waiting on that since Al Tariq left the Beatnuts

 

[serial]

People bringing up Daz as an example of him using ghost producers, c'mon now... Daz is a solid producer but the best beat he's made post Death Row was mixed by Dr Dre..



And this was off an album that was entirely co produced by Mike Dean. The song that Dre ONLY mixed for them was better than every other song on that album. I'm not saying he doesn't fall into doing lazy samples at times but he's far more talented than some of you are making him out to be and it's flat out disrespectful to even put Puff next to him as if he's some equally talented guy.. SMH.

Dre did not mix this - Dre is a polisher of beats but is also able to produce from scratch. I have heard the some of the original beats for Doggy style and they sound nothing like the album. I agree Puff should not be compared to Dre at all.

 

[Awesome Wells]

I get what he's saying.

But Puff wasn't doing anything that the greats haven't done too. It's just that Puff ran that shyt into the ground, lol. It got mad redundant with him, to the point of almost being parodic. So it was lazy. But I also don’t really count Puff as a producer in the same way I do the Dre's and Premier's of the game. He's definitely technically producing, but he's not the one doing the actual hands-on shyt. So it's definitely a lot easier to just have a vision and bark orders, than to have the skill to sample and chop shyt to make it your own.

 

[Reality Check]

Dre moreso with his r&b production which he doesn't get enough credit for

R&B is Dre's weakness. Didn't have a #1 R&B hit until 2001 and his R&B work is lackluster compared to the rest of his catalog.

People bringing up Daz as an example of him using ghost producers, c'mon now... Daz is a solid producer but the best beat he's made post Death Row was mixed by Dr Dre..



And this was off an album that was entirely co produced by Mike Dean. The song that Dre ONLY mixed for them was better than every other song on that album. I'm not saying he doesn't fall into doing lazy samples at times but he's far more talented than some of you are making him out to be and it's flat out disrespectful to even put Puff next to him as if he's some equally talented guy.. SMH.

Gonna need receipts that Dre mixed this. Timing-wise Dre would have had nothing to do with the DPG album since it was recorded from 98-99 while Daz was still with Death Row.

 

[feelosofer]

I used to think that about Puff but as I have gotten older, I realize that I don't think it was fair. Puff just took advantage of the where hip hop was at point and hip-hop was ascending as the most popular music in America and it isn't like he was the only one taking the sounds of past era and repurposing it for today. Hell Dr Dre is in some ways just as guilty.