NYSTATEOFMIND
Superstar
what about the Josina Anderson stuff? one reporter said ( not sure if it was Ruben Frank or Jeff Mcclain) that he has heard Alshon throwing shade at Wentz (probably in off the record type stuff)
"I Know One Thing For Sure, Groh Gotta Go" **2020 Philadelphia Eagles Off-Season Thread**
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what about the Josina Anderson stuff? one reporter said ( not sure if it was Ruben Frank or Jeff Mcclain) that he has heard Alshon throwing shade at Wentz (probably in off the record type stuff)
Controversy
Superstar
Tbh, Alshon ain't eeeem on my radar
We need to be worried about continued development of Miles Sanders, Dillard & JJAW
We need to be worried about continued development of Miles Sanders, Dillard & JJAW
I think we trade or cut Nate Sudfeld. I think we can get at least a 5th round for him.
Alshon is gone. We already seen the Rams and the Jaguars eat a big dead cap space hit. I think we just take that L and move forward. Alshon doesn’t fit our scheme anymore and he lost a step. We might as well see if JJ can grow.
Alshon is gone. We already seen the Rams and the Jaguars eat a big dead cap space hit. I think we just take that L and move forward. Alshon doesn’t fit our scheme anymore and he lost a step. We might as well see if JJ can grow.
So UnThotful
Superstar
I misread this
I thought Howie and Wentz had some beef
JoseLuisGotcha
Aka Allhiphopsux
honestly Im a fan of Greg Ward the way he stepped up for us a the end of the year was huge for us.....he was putting up numbers against solid competition i'd put him at the slot .....with Djax and Jalen/Goodwin on the ends and then out Tight Ends will put in work
also it will be interesting to see if Boston Scott can build on his end of the year success too...homie was looking like sproles reincarnated
also it will be interesting to see if Boston Scott can build on his end of the year success too...homie was looking like sproles reincarnated
So UnThotful
Superstar
I think it’s a good move. Too many fans be mad when a player ain’t a pro bowler the first few years.
Youseenmywork
KING
Absolut da poet ®
Jubilado
Miles & Dillard need to make the pro bowl
JJAW needs to carry everyone's bags
If he can block well on kick return coverage
Or tackle..
I'll be happy with that
Controversy
Superstar
U sleeping on JJAW...he got slightly better at the end of the season
An offseason of development will serve him well...he didn't play a full offseason bc the Stanford semester was over in late June...I like him to be a 50-600-5 player this season
It's gonna be harder than usual for rookies to have an impact with no rookie camp, no OTAs, and who knows what kind of training camp/scrimmages. I doubt preseason games take place either.
Team needs JJAW to make progress and carry some of that load with DeSean & Ward. Reagor's the only kid I'm expecting something out of from day one.
I can’t bring myself to have much faith in JJAW, personally. By the end of the last season, he was losing snaps to Rob Davis, Deontay Burnett, and Joshua Perkins. When a coaching staff feels more confident putting two practice squad receivers and a third-string tight end on the field over a 2nd round draft pick, something went really wrong. And while it’s almost a given that JJAW will improve in Year 2 (if only because I don’t see how he could get any worse), I’m skeptical of how much so it will really be.
JJAW isn’t a good route-runner, he doesn’t generate YAC, and he doesn’t have great speed, so he can’t really create much in the way of separation. His game is based off using his frame to out-muscle DBs and make contested catches. It’s what his specialty was in college. Problem is, in the NFL, you need to be able to separate from defenders and get open because you’re not going to be able to consistently bully professional corners like you did the ones in college. You look at all the most productive receivers in the NFL last season and you’ll see that most, if not all, of them excelled in these areas. You look at all the rookie WRs who excelled last season – D.K. Metcalf, A.J. Brown, Terry MacLaurin – and you see the same thing.
I’m 100% convinced that Howie going into the draft and coming out with four new receivers, all of whom are known for their speed, pretty much signals the team’s lack of faith in JJAW at this point.
This is why I’m so excited about Jalen Reagor. I don’t think any receiver in this draft, particularly no one taken in the first round, got behind a defense as frequently as Reagor did. Not even Ruggs. He’s a true deep threat with the kind of speed, explosiveness, and ability to separate that JJAW never had – and never will have. Hell, I’m more excited to see what Marquise Goodwin, John Hightower, and Quez Watkins will bring next season than I am for JJAW, even though there’s a good chance that none of those three make the active roster.
JJAW isn’t a good route-runner, he doesn’t generate YAC, and he doesn’t have great speed, so he can’t really create much in the way of separation. His game is based off using his frame to out-muscle DBs and make contested catches. It’s what his specialty was in college. Problem is, in the NFL, you need to be able to separate from defenders and get open because you’re not going to be able to consistently bully professional corners like you did the ones in college. You look at all the most productive receivers in the NFL last season and you’ll see that most, if not all, of them excelled in these areas. You look at all the rookie WRs who excelled last season – D.K. Metcalf, A.J. Brown, Terry MacLaurin – and you see the same thing.
I’m 100% convinced that Howie going into the draft and coming out with four new receivers, all of whom are known for their speed, pretty much signals the team’s lack of faith in JJAW at this point.
This is why I’m so excited about Jalen Reagor. I don’t think any receiver in this draft, particularly no one taken in the first round, got behind a defense as frequently as Reagor did. Not even Ruggs. He’s a true deep threat with the kind of speed, explosiveness, and ability to separate that JJAW never had – and never will have. Hell, I’m more excited to see what Marquise Goodwin, John Hightower, and Quez Watkins will bring next season than I am for JJAW, even though there’s a good chance that none of those three make the active roster.
gangreen
Top Notch
Breh, he was a rookie. U gotta give him some chance to grow. A bad rookie campaign shouldnt label u a bust.
Lets not act like he is unsavageable, he has shown some flashes of brilliance, I recall that Ravens preseason game when McCown was force feeding him the ball and he was showing out. Then during the season, he made some real tough catches with Wentz throwing against real nfl defenses.
JJ's measurables are similar to guys like Eric Decker, Alshon Jeffery and Dez Bryant type. He is not a burner but one on one against corners, he has an advantage because of his size.
The guy can play but he clearly doesnt have the full trust of Wentz and the coaches last year because of his bad route running and/or grasp of the playbook.
He needs to improve his route running period at this level. Because he is more like Eric Decker (which isnt a bad thing) than prime Dez Bryant because he is not as explosive after the catch to make up for his below average route running. Alshon and Decker were always solid route runners and thats the one thing that seperates JJ from them. Plus Wentz is not Romo, he is not goin to throw it up there for u to get it like Romo did for Dez to help turn him into a top 5 receiver or like even Foles or Cutler or McCown did for Alshon. He is not that type of QB to do to throw it up there more than two times a game at most. I wish he was but thats not who he is.
JJ better be spending this off season studying that playbook and perfecting the route tree. Its not all about speed, u get seperation as well by running precise routes. You can learn to be a good route runner especially early on in ur career.
I think those speedy four new receivers is an indictment on D Jax staying healthy for 16 games rather than the team’s lack of faith in JJAW at this point. Cause like I said, its too early to tell with JJAW and . D Jax has a long track record past 30 of shortened regular seasons due to injury and the offense immediately became unexplosive because no one could match D Jax's ability to beat press coverage and take the top off the defense
Another thing about those speedy track guys at receiver is that they wont do shyt for u in the red zone since the field is so condensed and u not taking the top off the defense with 20 yards to go. Its guys built like JJ who thrive in that area of the field. So he still has potential value compared to recent speed receivers Howie drafted (excluding Raegor who looks like he is a threat to take the top off the defense and who can catch in the red zone due to his vertical and explosiveness after the catch).
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I’m not going to label him a bust already, but I am skeptical of just how much he’s going to grow from being comically bad Year 1 to being productive in Year 2.
I mean, we’re talking about a 2nd Round pick who got outplayed by Greg Ward off the practice squad and who was losing snaps to a third-string tight end turned receiver in Josh Perkins by the end of the season. He was outproduced in the passing game by Miles Sanders. And it's not like he didn't get plenty of opportunities. Just how much faith should we realistically have in JJAW at this point?
And I’m aware that you don’t need to be a burner to be effective in the NFL, which is why I mentioned JJAW’s terrible route-running and lack of ability to generate YAC. Alshon Jeffery (who you mentioned), in his prime, never had high-end speed but he could stack defenders in a way that gave his QBs a window to throw into. JJAW hasn’t demonstrated the ability to do that, either in college or the NFL.
And if you’re not doing it in college, just how likely is it that you’re going to be doing it in the NFL?
Now, maybe a big part of that is on Carson Walch. Maybe Aaron Moorehead will be better in teaching JJAW how to use his frame to his advantage. Maybe with Alshon on PUP to start the season, JJAW benefits from more time with Wentz and the two develop some chemistry together. Maybe with a (hopefully) healthy DeSean, along with Reagor, to open up the offense, JJAW benefits from some more favorable conditions. But we’re depending on a lot of “what-ifs” from a guy who especially bad his first season in.
I won’t declare JJAW a bust yet, but I don’t think it’s worth counting on him either. He’s going to have to step up in a very big way, and make an incredible leap forward.
I mean, we’re talking about a 2nd Round pick who got outplayed by Greg Ward off the practice squad and who was losing snaps to a third-string tight end turned receiver in Josh Perkins by the end of the season. He was outproduced in the passing game by Miles Sanders. And it's not like he didn't get plenty of opportunities. Just how much faith should we realistically have in JJAW at this point?
And I’m aware that you don’t need to be a burner to be effective in the NFL, which is why I mentioned JJAW’s terrible route-running and lack of ability to generate YAC. Alshon Jeffery (who you mentioned), in his prime, never had high-end speed but he could stack defenders in a way that gave his QBs a window to throw into. JJAW hasn’t demonstrated the ability to do that, either in college or the NFL.
And if you’re not doing it in college, just how likely is it that you’re going to be doing it in the NFL?
Now, maybe a big part of that is on Carson Walch. Maybe Aaron Moorehead will be better in teaching JJAW how to use his frame to his advantage. Maybe with Alshon on PUP to start the season, JJAW benefits from more time with Wentz and the two develop some chemistry together. Maybe with a (hopefully) healthy DeSean, along with Reagor, to open up the offense, JJAW benefits from some more favorable conditions. But we’re depending on a lot of “what-ifs” from a guy who especially bad his first season in.
I won’t declare JJAW a bust yet, but I don’t think it’s worth counting on him either. He’s going to have to step up in a very big way, and make an incredible leap forward.