I dont see how god explains how there is life ?

[FTBS]

you are typing alot to keep ducking my question. My question on freewill does not hinder on belief because i already conceded to the conditions you agreed on. Keep ducking though this just shows me you can't handle a real philosophical discussion and your avi is ironic.

What's your question that I have not answered? I answered the free will question how many pages ago? Just because you don't accept/agree with/or like my answer doesn't mean it didn't happen.

 

[Bud Bundy]

What's your question that I have not answered? I answered the free will question how many pages ago? Just because you don't accept/agree with/or like my answer doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Then you agree that by the conditions you agreed on that your answer makes no sense?

You said i am putting condtions on God but the conditions i agreed on gives it no conditions.

 

[FTBS]

Then you agree that by the conditions you agreed on that your answer makes no sense?

You said i am putting condtions on God but the conditions i agreed on gives it no conditions.

Your condition is that God is limited by human reasoning/understanding. If a being in omnipotent and omnisceint there is no limit to what they can do correct? Therefore if you believe such a being exists it's not really a stretch to believe that they can do or not do anything of their choosing.

 

[Bud Bundy]

Your condition is that God is limited by human reasoning/understanding. If a being in omnipotent and omnisceint there is no limit to what they can do correct? Therefore if you believe such a being exists it's not really a stretch to believe that they can do or not do anything of their choosing.

You keep going around the question and now your going to defense that God can do anything. I agreed that god has no conditions. That does not answer my question of how can free will exist if this god knows our every move before we do which you said it did.

your answer still makes no sense unless you believe god makes no sense?

 

[FTBS]

You keep going around the question and now your going to defense that God can do anything. I agreed that god has no conditions. That does not answer my question of how can free will exist if this god knows our every move before we do which you said it did.

your answer still makes no sense unless you believe god makes no sense?

Did yout not read this before you quoted it?

Your condition is that God is limited by human reasoning/understanding. If a being in omnipotent and omnisceint there is no limit to what they can do correct? Therefore if you believe such a being exists it's not really a stretch to believe that they can do or not do anything of their choosing.

You are limiting God by saying that an all-powerful, all-knowing being cannot create autonomous beings that can do as they choose with Him knowing with him know what they will do before they do it and only intervening when he sees fit. You limit Him by questioning him based upon human reasoning and knowledge. If a being is omniscient and omnipotent how you or I and anyone else for that matter be able to fully comprehend His abilities?

 

[Bud Bundy]

Did yout not read this before you quoted it?



You are limiting God by saying that an all-powerful, all-knowing being cannot create autonomous beings that can do as they choose with Him knowing with him know what they will do before they do it and only intervening when he sees fit. You limit Him by questioning him based upon human reasoning and knowledge. If a being is omniscient and omnipotent how you or I and anyone else for that matter be able to fully comprehend His abilities?

comprehending it's abilities does not matter.

If it can see the future and knows what is going to happen and everything is predetermined where is the free will? I am just explaining this to myself because you are choosing to remain elusive.

And you call god him how do you know god's sex?

 

[FTBS]

comprehending it's abilities does not matter.

If it can see the future and knows what is going to happen and everything is predetermined where is the free will? I am just explaining this to myself because you are choosing to remain elusive.

And you call god him how do you know god's sex?

And we have officially done a 360. Nothing elusive about what I am saying. You just refuse to accept it. If you can't comprehend his abilities and yet full comprehension is necessary for you to beleive in Him then you won't believe in him no matter what. I believe in God although I cannot fully grasp how He works in totality because I believe that He is so far superior to me that's it's really impossible for me or any other human to do so. I'm pretty sure you know that the Bible references Him as a He. Looks like I'm being trolled. My bad for letting it go this far.

 

[Bud Bundy]

And we have officially done a 360. Nothing elusive about what I am saying. You just refuse to accept it. If you can't comprehend his abilities and yet full comprehension is necessary for you to beleive in Him then you won't believe in him no matter what. I believe in God although I cannot fully grasp how He works in totality because I believe that He is so far superior to me that's it's really impossible for me or any other human to do so. I'm pretty sure you know that the Bible references Him as a He. Looks like I'm being trolled. My bad for letting it go this far.

no i am being trolled because your defense is god can do anything and you are getting your references from the bible. You say god is beyond comprehension but yet it is a man? You answer makes no sense but you believe god can do anything and hide behind that shield. Your stuck in philosophical arrested development.

 

[ThaGlow]

I asked you question and you keep bringing it back to belief.

do you think one plus one equals 2 because of your beliefs? Because the way you make it seem beliefs drives anything you do from waking up to eating. Clever way of ducking my question I lol.

The guy doesn't believe in facts, lol. Someone could steal the sandwich out of his hand and eat it up in front of him. It could be on security cam and with 3 witnesses telling the guy to give the sandwich back.

He'd be like, "well, evidence is only valuable when you put faith in it. So if I believe the guy didn't eat my sandwich, then he didn't."

 

[MostReal]

Going to preface this with that I believe evolution is true.

Isnt the never ending question where did we come from and how did we get here. We couldnt have just come from thin air ? A lot of people say god created us. Ok but then where did he come from did HE just appear or did some other god create HIM ? It just doesnt make any sense and doesn't answer anything. Its just back where you started with the question.

He's God...the Alpha, Omega

Are you seriously asking this question like this?

 

[KiD WavE]

yea I seriously asking this ... it doesn't make any sense at all if you think actually about it instead of just accepting its true

 

[MostReal]

yea I seriously asking this ... it doesn't make any sense at all if you think actually about it instead of just accepting its true

If you are a God, no one has to create you...you are a 'Deity'. He is the Creator.

 

[Ohene]

What I am trying to get at is what the thread starter is talking about.

If God exists and we have free will then either God does not care who or what we worship because or purpose is not to worship. Or life is something outside of even the all creator. To claim God knows all but then grants us free will is nonsense.

Nonsense indeed

 

[Ohene]

No it's reaching and assuming. You are intentionally over-complicating the issue for the sake of your argument. People have free will. God sets rules. You can either chose to follow them or not. Some people will. Some people won't. What is so difficult to undrstand here? God knows what will happen but we don't so it's not going through the motions. It's living your life as you see fit. Just because God chooses not to control our will doesn't mean He gives up his own will. Because we can do whatever doesn't mean He has to accept it. Once again you are putting your own conditions on God.

so in all actuality...is this all not pointless? is it not just some sort of entertainment to "god"...why do all of this in the first place if in fact he is behind our creation ????

 

[Ohene]

if that's the case, why do we exist?? by what you're saying, our destinies are predetermined because already knows what we're thinking, so he knows whether we're going to choose to worship Him or not. if he knows this, then why bother making us live life??

exactly what i said!!!