Huff Post:"6 things Christians should stop saying" and a Response

[Brown_Pride]

You're talking about the same guy. One person thinks he was divine, the other doesn't. That doesn't make 2 different guys, only 2 different view points.


Somebody may like a movie and the next man might say it sucks. Still the same movie. I can give you a million examples like this. What you're saying, "not the same guy", is nothing short of ludicrous.



Oh, and sorry to break it to you but your opinion is just that. No one cares who YOU think is a Christian or not.

Like i said Semantics.

See the things is you cannot prove Jesus isn't God anymore than I can prove he is, ergo we base our beliefs on faith. As such, you can talk till you're blue in the face and we'll never see eye to eye. It'll be a ping pong game with no real winner or loser as we'll arrive at the same point. I believe in a certain set of things; you believe in a certain set of things. Part of my beliefs allow me to look at what you believe and say THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING. Your beliefs offer the counter point.

Back at square one.
Shall we continue?

And clearly you care enough about my opinion to have replied to it several times already...before you try to "last word me" please recognize i really don't care, again, i've danced things dance with many of my own blood and realized certain things a long time again.

Peace.

 

[Brown_Pride]

JW's believe that Jesus is the "only-begotten Son of God". They also believe that Jesus is the archangel Michael.

To use my previous analogy...

Case in point. THe first part is the "pops", the second is the "robot".

Jesus is the only begotten son of God = Pops
Jesus is ALSO the Archangel Michael = Robot

So while I agree with the first part, the second part tells me we're not talking about the same person nor do we believe the same thing.

They are nontrinitarian and don't believe Jesus HIMSELF is God along with plenty of other Christian denominations.

Again we're goig to argue semantics on what a "christian" is. If the requirement to get a 'Christian" badge is that you have to say you worship some guy named Christ born in roughly 33 BC, regardless of whatever comes after that...oh say like the Mormons who think when you die you will be able to become A GOD and be in charge of your own universe.... They believe in JC, but that second part is not what I would call "christian". ...Semantics again.

You can't make up your own definition for Christian.

Who can?

 

[Johnny Kilroy]

Like i said Semantics.

See the things is you cannot prove Jesus isn't God anymore than I can prove he is, ergo we base our beliefs on faith. As such, you can talk till you're blue in the face and we'll never see eye to eye. It'll be a ping pong game with no real winner or loser as we'll arrive at the same point. I believe in a certain set of things; you believe in a certain set of things. Part of my beliefs allow me to look at what you believe and say THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING. Your beliefs offer the counter point.

Back at square one.
Shall we continue?

And clearly you care enough about my opinion to have replied to it several times already...before you try to "last word me" please recognize i really don't care, again, i've danced things dance with many of my own blood and realized certain things a long time again.

Peace.

Breh, it's not about proving Jesus is or isn't God. That's completely irrelevant. The point is when JW's and Baptists say "Jesus" they're talking about the same guy.

And to correct you, it's not that I care about who you think is Christian or not. I only care enough to tell you your opinion on that particular matter holds no weight whatsoever. just so you're aware and maybe you'll stop embarrassing yourself by thinking it does.

So and so isn't a Christian because YOU said so? That's pure comedy. Let's stick to the facts.

 

[Brown_Pride]

Breh, it's not about proving Jesus is or isn't God. That's completely irrelevant. The point is when JW's and Baptists say "Jesus" they're talking about the same guy.

And to correct you, it's not that I care about who you think is Christian or not. I only care enough to tell you your opinion on that particular matter holds no weight whatsoever. just so you're aware and maybe you'll stop embarrassing yourself by thinking it does.

So and so isn't a Christian because YOU said so? That's pure comedy. Let's stick to the facts.

Nor is your opinion on who is a Christian. See we can both play the game.

And again, we're decidedly not talking about the same guy.
The JC you're talking about must have lived up the street from the JC i'm talking about because the one i'm talking about IS GOD.

Is that the one you're talking about? Or are you talking about the one who IS NOT God?

& LOL @ "stick to the facts"

 

[Johnny Kilroy]

Nor is your opinion on who is a Christian. See we can both play the game.

And again, we're decidedly not talking about the same guy.
The JC you're talking about must have lived up the street from the JC i'm talking about because the one i'm talking about IS GOD.

Is that the one you're talking about? Or are you talking about the one who IS NOT God?

& LOL @ "stick to the facts"

Ah see, that's where I got you. I don't have an opinion.

If someone tells me they're Christian I take their word for it and that's that. I'm not gonna run back to you and verify it. I'm also not going to try to break down their belief system and label them something else. That's where you're outta line.




As far as the "not the same guy" thing, you're pretty much insane. IDK what else to tell you.




Guy 1: Beyonce is a dime.

Guy 2: Meh, she's a 9.

Clearly they're not talking about the same Beyonce.




Guy 1: The new S class looks nice.

Guy 2: I don't like the body that much.

Clearly they're not talking about the same car.




Guy 1: Was mad slow.

Guy 2: It wasn't that bad.

Clearly they're not talking about the same website.




Guy 1: It's pretty chilly outside.

Guy 2: I think it's nice out.

Clearly they're not talking about the same weather in the same place at the same time.



Ridiculous

 

[FrederickDouglas]

To use my previous analogy...

Case in point. THe first part is the "pops", the second is the "robot".

Jesus is the only begotten son of God = Pops
Jesus is ALSO the Archangel Michael = Robot

So while I agree with the first part, the second part tells me we're not talking about the same person nor do we believe the same thing.

Again we're goig to argue semantics on what a "christian" is. If the requirement to get a 'Christian" badge is that you have to say you worship some guy named Christ born in roughly 33 BC, regardless of whatever comes after that...oh say like the Mormons who think when you die you will be able to become A GOD and be in charge of your own universe.... They believe in JC, but that second part is not what I would call "christian". ...Semantics again.


Who can?

Michael is the "arch"angel or the chief angel.

According to the Bible, Jesus had a prehuman existence as an angelic son of God. The Bible never uses the plural form of "archangel".

Where do you come off differentiating the two?

Beyond that, however, the argument isn't really about beliefs. Everyone who professes to follow the teachings of Christ is a "Christian". Whether you feel they aren't adhering to your direct intrepretation of what it means to follow Christ is irrelevant. But there are MANY different intrepretations of who Christ is and JW's are some of the few who sincerely believe he was the only-begotten son of God, sent to Earth to die for mankind's sins.

If they aren't Christian, nobody is.

Or maybe you're the only TRUE Christian.

 

[Brown_Pride]

Michael is the "arch"angel or the chief angel.

According to the Bible, Jesus had a prehuman existence as an angelic son of God. The Bible never uses the plural form of "archangel".

Where do you come off differentiating the two?

Beyond that, however, the argument isn't really about beliefs. Everyone who professes to follow the teachings of Christ is a "Christian". Whether you feel they aren't adhering to your direct intrepretation of what it means to follow Christ is irrelevant. But there are MANY different intrepretations of who Christ is and JW's are some of the few who sincerely believe he was the only-begotten son of God, sent to Earth to die for mankind's sins.

If they aren't Christian, nobody is.

Or maybe you're the only TRUE Christian.

Nah just me and the vast majority of Christians around the word

"Yes, we believe our Lord Jesus while on earth was really worshipped, and properly so. While he was not the God, Jehovah, he was a God."

from the watchtower.
JW belief

"Michael the Archangel is no other than the only begotten son of God, now Jesus Christ. That Jehovah directly created only one thing, Michael the arch angel and that Michael created all other things.

my belief
God created it all.

Not really the same thing now is it.

whatever though

 

[Brown_Pride]

Ah see, that's where I got you. I don't have an opinion.

If someone tells me they're Christian I take their word for it and that's that. I'm not gonna run back to you and verify it. I'm also not going to try to break down their belief system and label them something else. That's where you're outta line.

I'm sure that's more or less how cults start.

I warn about the falsehoods i see based on my faith. I'm not pressuring anyone to change, i'm just giving a view i'm required to give as a Christian, take it for what you will, my Job here is done.

“ Be on your guard! If your brother sins, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him.” Luke 17:3

1 Do not sharply rebuke an older man, but rather appeal to him as a father, to the younger men as brothers, 2 the older women as mothers, and the younger women as sisters, in all purity.1 Timothy 5: 1-2

and lastly

“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

6 “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

Mat: 7:1-6


Again i'm required to attempt to teach my belief, i'm not required to force it down your throat or make you believe by arguing with you. Matt 7:6 more or less tells me how i should proceed from this point forward.

As far as the "not the same guy" thing, you're pretty much insane. IDK what else to tell you.




Guy 1: Beyonce is a dime.

Guy 2: Meh, she's a 9.

Clearly they're not talking about the same Beyonce.

when you point to THE Beyonce and not the LOOK ALIKE beyonce come see me.

Guy 1: The new S class looks nice.

Guy 2: I don't like the body that much.

Clearly they're not talking about the same car.

All your examples are opinions based on perception. We're arguing opinions based on belief...which are unproven facts.

We simply disagree on those beliefs so our facts are not the same.

Your JC and my JC are NOT, again I repeat NOT the same person.

MY JC was never an Archangel named Michael.
JW JC was.

NOT the same.

 

[acri1]

Religious set tripping.

 

[Johnny Kilroy]

@Brown Pride quit quoting me, man. You're truly insane. I know religious talk can bring out some true nuts but you're going for the record here. I won't stand by and watch you disrespect logic anymore.

 

[NoMayo15]

@Brown Pride quit quoting me, man. You're truly insane. I know religious talk can bring out some true nuts but you're going for the record here. I won't stand by and watch you disrespect logic anymore.

 

[Johnny Kilroy]

Dude is off the chain. I said if 2 people look at Beyonce and one says she's a dime, the other says she's a 9 then they're not looking at the same chick.

Then he goes on to add a whole nother chick to the scenario calling her a look alike.

That's being 100% unreasonable and represents the most ridiculous sense of pride I have ever seen. He's 100% wrong. The debate over the divinity of Jesus has been going on since the time of his death and for him to explain that simply by saying whoever isn't on his side isn't talking about the same person is absolutely absurd.

I refuse to talk to a person that detached from reality.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

religion is fukking stupid and this thread just reaffirms that belief. We're over here arguing about whether a mythological figure used to be an arch angel or not. shyt is fukking stupid, yet it's actually an important distinction to believers they then use this distinction to separate themselves from other believers like sports teams and then they will get into arguments over this distinction and probably look upon others with disdain who believe something different. No new knowledge gained, just wasted time and energy based on INTERPRETATION of a 2000 year old fukking book that claims to be the word of God yet has been edited many times over the ages you can't make this shyt up

 

[23Barrettcity]

that jesus is the son of God? They believe he's the angel Michael.

No they don't what are you talking about they view jesus as jehovahs only begotten son sent to die for our sins . they dont believe in immortal souls or that every good person goes to heaven instead they will be resurrected and go in a paradise on earth .

 

[23Barrettcity]

Have you ever studied Christianity?

There has long been debate over the divinity of Jesus. You acting like it's not an issue only shows your own ignorance. You have no authority to judge who's what and hand out titles. There are many who would say you're not a Christian, but a follower of Paul.



I would also like to point out that the guy in the video is also using "someone's interpretation" to even have John 14:6 available in the English language in the first place so why does his or your interpretation, or the person who oringally interpreted "your" interpretation, hold more weight than anyone else's?

Don't listen to @Brown_Pride I am ( was ) a Jehovah's Witness . I stopped going due to the hypocrisy I felt of the elders in my particular congregation after some family stuff happened . He doesn't know what he's talking about jw 100% believe Jesus is the son of god . They have the memorial coming up to remember Jesus resurrection and death and how he died for our sins .

nah see now we're arguing semantics. The title i'm handing out is not my title to hand out, it's what defines christianity....literally

Christianity: The religion derived from Jesus Christ, based on the Bible as sacred scripture, and professed by Eastern, Roman Catholic, and Protestant bodies

... Well i guess technically JW COULD call themselves Christians, but so could I if I decided to call myself Christ...ultimately though we are arguing semantics. I do not consider JW christians based on my understanding of what a CHRISTIAN is.

I hear and have heard your argument, the majority of my family are JW.

By your arguments Mormons are also Christians because they worship someone called Jesus.

Using that loose definition some dude in Mexico named Jesus could have someone bow to him and you'd call that guy a christian?

What is a "christian"?

Your just going to lie and say most of your family is jw ? You either never went yourself or don't pay attention . What is the big gathering they have on the summer called ? Or even the smallers ones held throughout the year ? What is the difference between the weekday meetings and the Sunday one? ( Saturday depending on how big your hall is )