How would an assault rifle stop the government from going 1984?

[Piff Perkins]

with AK's and homemade explosives Afghans have kept up the fight against our military for over a decade. Check the battle reports from Afghanistan. We still dying over there.

As I said in my post, this would be a military attack on home soil. Afghanistan is one of the worst places for any foreign military to fight due to the harsh terrain. That would not be an issue in the US, where you'd have familiar, easily exploitable terrain the US military is already familiar with; after all, they currently train in various bases in the US.

The military would suffer casualties but would have no problem snuffing resistance in an all out battle.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Im damn near right in the middle on this debate but I will say.....

Afghan farmers with little more than assault rifles have kept the US military on our toes for over a decade now.

We beat the afgan farmers within six months of touching down. The challenge has been installing a new responsible goverment which Afghanistan has never had and probably never will.

Different story than the us goverment turning on its people

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

You must be living under a rock. NDAA...time to read.

Since you are enlightened to the truth and are disseminating this information to the sheep, unveiling the true face of the beast, why haven't you been snatched up and thrown in a military prison yet?

 

[thekingsmen]

Since you are enlightened to the truth and are disseminating this information to the sheep, unveiling the true face of the beast, why haven't you been snatched up and thrown in a military prison yet?

First they come for those who are in high places who whistle-blow...then they come for the middle man...the internet whistle-blowers...then the street protestors...than people like us VVD.

 

[Type Username Here]

These cacs want to believe they could defend themselves if the government went HAM but in reality they couldn't compete. We're talking about the most powerful army in the world against some rag tag obese cacs, on home soil everyone is familiar with? I'd put all my Coli cash on the military

We gon act like glocks and AR-15s would stop drone strikes? Tanks? Ballistic missiles?

Notice anytime people bring this up, the retort is "bububu the military wouldn't follow the orders!" Well if your dumb ass can create a hypothetical scenario where the US GOVERNMENT attacks people, we should also be able to discuss a scenario where the US military fully backs the government/chain of command.

The real question is this:

If these cacs decided to turn the clock back to 1860, put you back in chains and treat you like subhumans again, would you die fighting them?

Would it matter to you if they had tanks, drones, jets...?

Would you be a man or a coward?

Because it sounds you like are a coward.

Mind you, you are trying to lecture one of the few people on here who have been in combat, dealt with insurgency and was part of this scary Military, yet you seem to imply you might be more familiar with these things more than Shogun is.

 

[Piff Perkins]

The real question is this:

If these cacs decided to turn the clock back to 1860, put you back in chains and treat you like subhumans again, would you die fighting them?

Would it matter to you if they had tanks, drones, jets...?

Would you be a man or a coward?

Because it sounds you like are a coward.

Mind you, you are trying to lecture one of the few people on here who have been in combat, dealt with insurgency and was part of this scary Military, yet you seem to imply you might be more familiar with these things more than Shogun is.

You misunderstand my point. I am not commenting on whether I would join a resistance against a hypothetical tyrannical government. My point is that the second amendment is not what prevents a hypothetical tyrannical government from enslaving its people, and certainly would not prevent the US military from defeating resistance.

I respect his service and commend him, but that doesn't make him an authoritative figure on every issue relating to combat. The US' terrain is very different from Afghanistan's - does anyone deny that? There's also about what, 500 years worth of evidence that invading Afghanistan NEVER a good idea.

Compare that to US terrain, which the military would be more familiar with than any foreign land. While the US defeated British forces during the Revolutionary War, the US military today would be a far more potent opponent. Also it's worth noting without French involvement the US may have lost to the British.

 

[Type Username Here]

You misunderstand my point. I am not commenting on whether I would join a resistance against a hypothetical tyrannical government. My point is that the second amendment is not what prevents a hypothetical tyrannical government from enslaving its people, and certainly would not prevent the US military from defeating resistance.

I respect his service and commend him, but that doesn't make him an authoritative figure on every issue relating to combat. The US' terrain is very different from Afghanistan's - does anyone deny that? There's also about what, 500 years worth of evidence that invading Afghanistan NEVER a good idea.

Compare that to US terrain, which the military would be more familiar with than any foreign land. While the US defeated British forces during the Revolutionary War, the US military today would be a far more potent opponent. Also it's worth noting without French involvement the US may have lost to the British.

You keep saying Afghanistan like that's the only insurgency ever fought on the planet.

The main is more qualified to speak on these matters, seeing as he was part of the Military you're making judgement about, and he has actual first hand experience in non-conventional warfare.

The question still stands:

If these people came to put you in shackles and treat you as subhuman, would you care if they had drones, tanks, or jets? Or would you be willing to die like a man?

 

[the cac mamba]

because you cant bomb and drone an entire country

it would cause SOME resistance and have soldiers shook

 

[Piff Perkins]

You keep saying Afghanistan like that's the only insurgency ever fought on the planet.

The main is more qualified to speak on these matters, seeing as he was part of the Military you're making judgement about, and he has actual first hand experience in non-conventional warfare.

The question still stands:

If these people came to put you in shackles and treat you as subhuman, would you care if they had drones, tanks, or jets? Or would you be willing to die like a man?

I'd defend myself, of course. Just as I'd defend myself if a fukking lion attacked me out of nowhere. In both cases I'd lose

 

[Malta]

because you cant bomb and drone an entire country

it would cause SOME resistance and have soldiers shook

Not yet at least, the military is pushing development on autonomous robots extra hard.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

this isn't any other time in history breh.. information has never been so vast and accessible. I don't think people would stand for disorder.

Dawg look at how the govt operates today

Look at the interests + intellectual level/pursuits of the avg American

A large contingent of Americans don't stand for anything. A lot of the loud mouths complaining about the growth of govt and entitlements and all that have guns now, what good is it doing for them in slowing down the deficit? What good is it doing for them in shrinking down entitlements?

You have one political party that has convinced its believers that the way to salvation is through bigger govt and another that has convinced its believers that the way to salvation is through turning all property and authority over to white male business owners and plutocrats. Theres already a huge and growing element of misinformation and thought policing. Govt doesnt really need military might to take over, the parties that be already have control over much of the information we get. But lets not discount the govts military might + command over our infrastructure either.

I do think its the misinformation and barrage of distractions that separate us from the folks in places like Vietnam/Afghanistan. Not to mention, those folks were/are STARVING, light years away from our levels of comfort. Avg American is out of sorts if their flight gets delayed... you think we as a people have any of the material left to stage a revolution? I just don't see it.

What keeps the govt running IMO is our economic clout... another difference between us and say, North Korea. Its way better for the powers that be that we all be productive and comfortable as that expands their wealth and power more than mind control.

 

[Constantine]

Drones can be electronically commander, which can neutralize their effectiveness.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

You keep saying Afghanistan like that's the only insurgency ever fought on the planet.

The main is more qualified to speak on these matters, seeing as he was part of the Military you're making judgement about, and he has actual first hand experience in non-conventional warfare.

The question still stands:

If these people came to put you in shackles and treat you as subhuman, would you care if they had drones, tanks, or jets? Or would you be willing to die like a man?

What difference does it make? The point is either way I'd lose

If it makes you feel good to think you'd die like some kind of black Rambo then great for you. But from the practical POV its a dead mission

People keep talking about "the US has lost in the past to smaller countries"... again those smaller countries had trained militias, advantages in terrain, and conditions that made them tough, resolute, and actually willing to die for a cause, rather than just talk a big game about it on a message board. What do we have? A handful of folks who go to gun ranges + do paintball for leisure, a generally clueless and uninterested public, and already weak + vulnerable infrastructure that we are all embryonically dependent on. The few folks with formal combat training and the discipline + dedication to fight are in the military. So what the fukk are you screaming about? Its not about bravery/cowardice, its about reality

 

[50CentStan]

Don't understimate our fellow Americans brah, some of these dumb looking hicks are actually really witty, every empire before has fallen so any things possible. most of us still believe in the give me liberty or give me death philosophy so....

 

[MeachTheMonster]

If these people came to put you in shackles and treat you as subhuman, would you care if they had drones, tanks, or jets? Or would you be willing to die like a man?

I wouldnt lay down and let them enslave me. There are plenty of other ways to fight back. Best believe the ones who would make it out of this situation with their lives won't be the ones who grab their pistols and go shooting at tanks and drones.