How will Joe Biden GOVERN? General Biden Administration F**kery Thread

[mastermind]

we live in an era where people need to see clips of biden calling manchin a bytch nikka on instagram or he wasnt trying

This is a post that shows no understanding of American politics. It’s so stupid and it’s no surprise that it received daps.

 

[mastermind]

Sure, but you have to say things like that to get elected. It's the problem with the American electorate. Being truthful and educated makes the American people feel bad and stupid. They don't want to vote for you when you do that.

"I can get things done" is really code for "I want to be in power so I can try to get things done." It's the game you have to play.

Yeah, you repeated what I said. It’s cap. I want you all to hold Biden accountable to his own words. Instead a few brehs are doing the same thing Trump supporters did when he was president and enacted none of his agenda.

This thinking is why this country is spiraling.

 

[Pressure]

Yeah, you repeated what I said. It’s cap. I want you all to hold Biden accountable to his own words. Instead a few brehs are doing the same thing Trump supporters did when he was president and enacted none of his agenda.

This thinking is why this country is spiraling.

Trump brought forth his agenda items. They just failed.

I'm not understanding making this parallel 4 months into a presidency.

 

[ZoeGod]

"I gotta cool it, man, I don't want to get on President Manchin's bad side."

The strategy that Biden is implementing is that they can win within the confines of voter suppression. Its pretty much a gamble because it could backfire if its a very close and contested election.

 

[Althalucian]

Yeah, you repeated what I said. It’s cap. I want you all to hold Biden accountable to his own words. Instead a few brehs are doing the same thing Trump supporters did when he was president and enacted none of his agenda.

This thinking is why this country is spiraling.

Except you have to use your critical thinking faculties to discern if it's truly cap or not. That's the point. If Biden and most Democrats are trying to pass most of their agenda in an extremely divided place, that's respectable. If it's clear that they are not, that's not respectable.

If you say, "well, Biden might or might not be trying hard enough, but I'm mad that it isn't happening right now and therefore I want to put a bunch of idiotic fascists in power" you might want to reassess what you want out of life.

 

[Pressure]

The strategy that Biden is implementing is that they can win within the confines of voter suppression. Its pretty much a gamble because it could backfire if its a very close and contested election.

I think that's the gamble. Probably even sees attempting voter Suppression as a catalyst for voters like in GA.

Interesting gamble. But he's the loser in 22 if it fails.

 

[mastermind]

Trump brought forth his agenda items. They just failed.

I'm not understanding making this parallel 4 months into a presidency.

From what I remember, Americans paid for the a small wall, not Mexico and he had the longest infrastructure week of all time to name a few items.

And this session of Congress will be done passing major bills this year by the fall, due to the 2022 elections. So yes, the four months do matter

 

[mastermind]

If Biden and most Democrats are trying to pass most of their agenda in an extremely divided place, that's respectable. If it's clear that they are not, that's not respectable.

If you say, "well, Biden might or might not be trying hard enough, but I'm mad that it isn't happening right now and therefore I want to put a bunch of idiotic fascists in power" you might want to reassess what you want out of life.

They aren’t trying to pass the Biden agenda. That is the point.

He talked about adding a public option to the ACA, yet this not include that in his budget proposal for FY2022.

I don’t understand this cognitive dissonance some of you have right now with this administration.

 

[Althalucian]

They aren’t trying to pass the Biden agenda. That is the point.

He talked about adding a public option to the ACA, yet this not include that in his budget proposal for FY2022.

I don’t understand this cognitive dissonance some of you have right now with this administration.

1. He's proposing ideas and legislation in the trillions, frequently. A lot of people are balking at that because it scares Americans to see those kinds of numbers. Once again, he's not the legislative branch. He needs other people to buy in on that. And that's a lot.
2. You can't get everything you want all at once if legislation is a process. Especially our tired, diseased, piece of shyt legislative processes. You implement all of your features for a tech business all at once? It takes time.
3. Yeah, on a practical level, there are going to be things that don't pass because of failures on one side, two, or maybe 15 sides. But it doesn't mean you throw the baby out with the bath water. I don't burn my house down when I make a small mistake on my tax returns or I fukk something up. You find new ways to make it better.

There's a saying: "Don't let the good be the enemy of the perfect." Now, of course, our government and politics is less "good" and more "awful", but I'll take "awful" over "fascists shytting all over the floor."

Unless you're an accelerationist. Then good luck with that I guess.

 

[Pressure]

From what I remember, Americans paid for the a small wall, not Mexico and he had the longest infrastructure week of all time to name a few items.

And this session of Congress will be done passing major bills this year by the fall, due to the 2022 elections. So yes, the four months do matter

The U.S. Senate should switch to 51 votes, immediately, and get Healthcare and TAX CUTS approved, fast and easy. Dems would do it, no doubt!" Trump tweeted. In fact, the GOP can pass healthcare bills and tax reform with a 51-vote majority if Republicans can reach agreements among themselves.

Trump calls for end to filibuster

This was in May 2017. Trump hadn't passed anything major and the Obamacare repeal would fail on a party line vote during reconciliation and his own party gutted his wall funding to negotiate with dems.



Dems clearly have time.

 

[mastermind]

This was in May 2017. Trump hadn't passed anything major and the Obamacare repeal would fail on a party line vote during reconciliation and his own party gutted his wall funding to negotiate with dems.



Dems clearly have time.

You made my point. Trump and the GOP pushed nothing in 2018 after the tax cuts and ACA failure.

 

[ZoeGod]

Who is to say he isn't doing that? Where is the proof? Are you telling me there's proof that he isn't making phone calls or meeting with people? Are you saying that him being the executive means that he just gets what he wants? That sounds like...dictatorship. So unless you have proof that he is literally not trying to influence, pressure, and wine and dine, I don't know how you and others can assert that.

Provide the receipts, videos, whatever. Show me the proof. Is he going around saying "Well, I did nothing, and nothing can be done"? And even if Biden is trying and failing and he gets the blame for not being good enough, fine, the buck stops with him there and feel free to crucify, but he is clearly not the only person in a country with 300+ million Americans. You shouldn't pin it all on one man. If you are pinning it all on one man, what do we call that kind of government? ...I think you know where I'm going with this. Expecting Biden to do this alone (something that Bernie would say if he was elected President btw; "I can't do this alone") is not how the system is set up. If anything, McConnell loves it when people here and elsewhere say "Biden isn't giving me what I want! I'm not voting for his ilk again!" It makes him fukking smile. He knows what's going to happen electorally in 2022 and 2024.

Lastly, I'll say it again, times were very different for LBJ and FDR. Hell, you could be president more than two times in FDR's time. Now we are dealing with existentially awful ideologies (American conservatism is straight up brain cancer) and entrenched powers. (Don't know how Obama fits in when there were about 59-60 Democrats in the Senate for two years and we barely got some republican-inspired health care plan. The whole fukking thing let to Trump.)

The elephant in the room is that this nation is broken. Its politically broken, economically broken and very soon militarily broken. This is all sign of decline. When you have half of this nation embracing fascism, itching for political violence and would rather drag this nation into hell than giving up power its a problem. Our system is broken, income inequality is worsening, both sides see the other as the enemy. There is adversarial hatred for the other side and it will get worse as income inequality is worse, as voter suppression decides votes and lets not forget the wildcard that is climate change.

America's future is either a violent genocidal fascist hyper capitalist takeover, a French Revolution style movement or a civil war leading to the break up of the nation. We are at the point that in a future presidential election a Congress with a Republican majority could flat out refuse to certify the results if a Democrat clearly won. Then the Supreme Court which would be led by a conservative majority would go along with it. What then happens? What will the DNC do in the scenario? As voter what would we do? People can call it fear mongering but if we said on the night of Jan 5th that Trump cards could storm the Capitol the next day people would call you crazy. We have reached crazy time and after Jan 6th nothing surprises me anymore. I said it during the "stop the steal" fraud after the election that this was a trial run. The GOP learned their lesson and will perfect a coup when the time comes. They have learned how to mobilize their base, they have passed voter suppression laws that will lead too close to call electoral results. They have learned to use their state legislative power to make ensure future contested elections. They have packed federal courts in their favor. We are entering a new political era filled with constitutional crisis after constitutional crisis. Reforms are needed but half this country would start a civil war before allowing any progress. The future is grim but this was decades in the making.

 

[Hood Critic]

This was in May 2017. Trump hadn't passed anything major and the Obamacare repeal would fail on a party line vote during reconciliation and his own party gutted his wall funding to negotiate with dems.



Dems clearly have time.

I agree with @FAH1223 Dems have about a 6 month window to make a real splash or its a downhill ride for a very long time afterwards.

 

[Corny Batman]

The elephant in the room is that this nation is broken. Its politically broken, economically broken and very soon militarily broken. This is all sign of decline. When you have half of this nation embracing fascism, itching for political violence and would rather drag this nation into hell than giving up power its a problem. Our system is broken, income inequality is worsening, both sides see the other as the enemy. There is adversarial hatred for the other side and it will get worse as income inequality is worse, as voter suppression decides votes and lets not forget the wildcard that is climate change.

America's future is either a violent genocidal fascist hyper capitalist takeover, a French Revolution style movement or a civil war leading to the break up of the nation. We are at the point that in a future presidential election a Congress with a Republican majority could flat out refuse to certify the results if a Democrat clearly won. Then the Supreme Court which would be led by a conservative majority would go along with it. What then happens? What will the DNC do in the scenario? As voter what would we do? People can call it fear mongering but if we said on the night of Jan 5th that Trump cards could storm the Capitol the next day people would call you crazy. We have reached crazy time and after Jan 6th nothing surprises me anymore. I said it during the "stop the steal" fraud after the election that this was a trial run. The GOP learned their lesson and will perfect a coup when the time comes. They have learned how to mobilize their base, they have passed voter suppression laws that will lead too close to call electoral results. They have learned to use their state legislative power to make ensure future contested elections. They have packed federal courts in their favor. We are entering a new political era filled with constitutional crisis after constitutional crisis. Reforms are needed but half this country would start a civil war before allowing any progress. The future is grim but this was decades in the making.

 

[Pressure]

I agree with @FAH1223 Dems have about a 6 month window to make a real splash or its a downhill ride for a very long time afterwards.

I agree. I think they pass most of their agenda via reconciliation.

We'll see what sort of compromise comes out of voting rights (it won't be as robust as HR1), but if people see tangible things like High speed, roads, lower Healthcare, family leave, a permanent extension to the Charlotte ld tax credits etc I don't think dems are in a horrible place in 2022.