How The Obama Administration Talks to Black America

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That part of your post was meant to give you an option to pivot this into a "Two party system"/ "lesser of two evils" debate, and this isn't what this thread is about. It's about the President's failure on certain fronts.

I can be creative and pick certain Bush policies that affected a minority of blacks indirectly just as you have. In my state, Gov. Rick Scott just vetoed a tuition hike of 3%. I can make a case that it will lead to helping out some low income minorities, but I don't think you would be championing that as something done for the black community. Hell, Bush passed an AIDS relief that we know has directly prevented around a million deaths in Africa.

You also are being dishonest about this "Addressing vs fixing" issue. You said earlier that Obama has done more for Black Americans than any other President, but you keep saying he hasn't fixed anything (only addressed it). Seems like a contradiction. That's more than LBJ did? LBJ basically committed political suicide not only for him, but for his party by standing behind some of his/JFK's Civil Rights policies/ the Great Society and advocating it in public.
If you look at the overall effects of Obama's policies then yes he has done a lot for African Americans and other minorities. If you want to pin point certain policies then that's a different conversation all together. And noone in the world was going to come into the Oval Office and completely fix a problem as huge as the issues such as we face in the black community or gays face in their communities or Mexicans face in their community. You are tryna turn this into an Obama hatefest which you alluded to before. You have an agenda which is no need in really tryna to argue because you aren't tryna talk solutions.
 

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Other than what Ishmael Reed has said, that was probably the best response I've read regarding the topic. I agree wholeheartedly. There's a lot of truth in what the president and the first lady has said, along with Cosby and others.....I just want balance.

We know a lot of fathers arent their in their child's life, but tell us why they arent. Tell us the whole story. Tell us why they're out hustlin. Tell us why they're in prison. Tell us why they didnt make to 21. Tell us why we've had to resort to "alternative" means instead of education to support our own. Tell us why shorty is 8 years old and feels no hope for the future. Tell us about the desperate conditions we grow up in. Tell us how we didnt create those conditions. Tell us why our schools are poor. Tell us why we feel self hate. Tell us how we've been left out and locked out. Tell us why they flood the prisons with us and how they make billions off it. Tell us why we dont have a voice. Tell us why the Koreans and Arabs own our hoods and not us. Tell us why we're last hired and first fired. Tell us how we're lampooned in the media. Tell us why we get out the pen and go right back in because no one's gonna hire a felon. Tell us why our women sell us out to the judicial system. Tell us why we're stopped and frisked and not others. Tell us how banks redline us. Tell us why we feel inferior. Tell us why we hate our own people. Tell us why our women dont see beauty in themselves. Tell us why rap is one of the only ways we see out. Tell us why I grew up with aunties on crack. Tell us how our history is not told. Tell us why my son can get a gun quicker than he can get a videogame. Tell us how we've been lied to. Tell me why we so angry. Most of us arent making excuses, just telling reality. Just listen to us.
 

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This was prior to his speech at Moorehouse




updated 4:22 PM EDT, Sat May 18, 2013

Paul Butler says when President Obama delivers the commencement address to Morehouse grads, he has explaining to do

Editor's note: Paul Butler is a law professor at Georgetown University. He is the author of "Let's Get Free: A Hip-Hop Theory of Justice."

(CNN) -- "My brothers."

That is how President Obama should begin one of the most significant speeches of his presidency: the commencement address at Morehouse College this Sunday. Addressing the historically black all male institution gives Obama an opportunity to rectify his strategic neglect of African-Americans. In this high-profile talk to his own demographic, the president has some explaining to do.

Obama's identity as a black man is usually communicated subliminally, with the swag in his walk, the basketball court on the East Lawn, the sexy glances at the first lady, his overall cool. Now, however, comes the time to be explicit: to speak out loud his affiliation, his fraternal pride and concern. That's the good work that calling us "brothers" would do.
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In appearances before African-American audiences, the president sometimes sounds like he's saying the wrong thing. He told the Congressional Black Caucus to "stop grumbling, stop complaining, stop crying." In a Father's Day talk at a black church in Chicago, he criticized "too many fathers" for "acting like boys not men."

African-American men certainly could use an intervention from the most successful African-American man in history. They are on the bottom of many indicators of achievement. They suffer the highest level of incarceration, and the largest homicide rates, of any Americans. In urban areas, fewer than half graduate from high school. Their unemployment is among the highest in the country.

"I'm sorry I haven't done more."

The president has not spoken out forcefully against racial profiling and mass incarceration. He has not memorialized the mainly African-American victims of gun violence in Chicago the way he has memorialized the mainly white victims of gun violence in Newtown and Columbine. Asked why he hadn't done more to remedy the catastrophic rate of African-American unemployment, Obama said, "I can't pass laws that say I'm just helping black folks. I'm president of the entire United States."

"Thank you for your support."

Nobody understands, like this audience will, the contortions a successful African-American man has to make to fit in but stand out, to be strong but not intimidate or frighten, to be black enough but not too black.

But in some ways the African-American community has been too understanding. Emanuel Cleaver, while chairman of the Congressional Black Caucus, said "the president knows we are going to act in deference to him in a way we wouldn't to someone white." Politically it was not the smartest thing to say (the LGBT community didn't turn Obama into the most gay friendly president in U.S. history by going easy on him) but any black man could understand the sentiment. That's why the African-American turnout for the president's re-election was higher than the white turnout.

Now blacks who supported the president are doing exactly what other groups responsible for his victory are doing: waiting for him to return the favor.

"We've all got to do better."

The president isn't the only black man who needs to step up support of his brothers. My friend runs a mentoring organization for black boys in Prince George's County, Maryland, the nation's most affluent black community. There is a long waiting list of boys, mostly without dads in the home, and only about 10 active African-American male mentors.

President Obama provides, for Morehouse men and everyone else, a 21st century model of African-American masculinity. His oft stated support for women's rights is a crucial component. The casual misogyny of some black popular culture, especially hip-hop music and videos, is a disgrace. It's OK for the president to note that not every aspect of black male culture is praiseworthy.

"That includes me."

The government's primary intervention for black men is to lock them up. President Obama cannot, on his own, reverse this course, but he can do much more than he has to disrupt the flow of the one in three young black men who are headed to prison. One example would be to speak in favor of decriminalizing marijuana, as have other politicians like New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo.

Black men are selectively arrested for marijuana crimes, and these arrests have a stigmatizing effect on future employment and earnings that redounds to the detriment of African-American families. Barack Obama was once a young black man who smoked pot, and it would be surprising if he actually believes that it's fair for other young black men to be selectively prosecuted for that.

"I am the most powerful man in the world, and I've got your back."

Those are words profound enough to make a black man cry. I believe them to be true, but hearing them proclaimed out loud would be incredibly meaningful. African-American men feel a special kinship with this president. How inspiring it would be for the president to acknowledge this connection, in his words and in his actions. What a difference it might make for the millions of black boys who now are headed to destinies very different from graduating from Morehouse College or becoming president of the United States.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/18/opinion/butler-obama-speech-morehouse/
 

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Nothing personal, but this is venturing on getting merged, there are 3 different topics going on the subject so I'm going to have to get them all in the same spot. You good with that...yes or no (cats have been getting a bit emotional lol). BTW, if you read those comments of that peace most people seem to agree with what I was saying earlier. A Morehouse kid who was graduating basically said Obama reinforced what they've been told every year at Morehouse. But again, I'm trying to think of how to get this very pertinent discussion all into one place...you against a merge or no..

You can merge it, I don't mind.

The same critique made in the piece can be extended to other speeches he's made to black audiences and the author makes it clear he isn't zeroing in on this one alone. The Father's Day speech he made to the NAACP( I think?) was very similar in both content and tone. I don't think it's a coincidence that a speech made to an HBCU drew on the same theme.
 

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You posting all this shyt about what Obama is doing wrong but what do you want Obama to do for the black community? Stop complaining and come up with some solutions and try to make a change. shyt don't even try to make a change, just simply articulate something you think Obama could do to change the status of the black community. Or would you rather just continue posting articles by Obama detractors?
 

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If you look at the overall effects of Obama's policies then yes he has done a lot for African Americans and other minorities. If you want to pin point certain policies then that's a different conversation all together. And noone in the world was going to come into the Oval Office and completely fix a problem as huge as the issues such as we face in the black community or gays face in their communities or Mexicans face in their community. You are tryna turn this into an Obama hatefest which you alluded to before. You have an agenda which is no need in really tryna to argue because you aren't tryna talk solutions.

You, Meach, Bar, IgSaint, and others are biased as fukk when it comes to Obama. Anyone with any common sense can see that.

You're just drones through and through.

I differ with Vic on a lot about Obama, but he isn't a drone. I actively see him criticize the President on important issues.

You on the other hand? Some posters already know what you're going to say before you say it.

You can keep that Election Rhetoric for the voters. I don't buy that shyt. It isn't a hate fest when I told you the superb job he has done on equal rights by pushing LGBT equality policies which I feel is to be applauded. I'm not going to sit by and let Meach make up shyt though because he has anecdotal tales.

At the end of the day, the boss behind the most destructive force to African-American progression is the President. He leads the War on Drugs, as he directs the DOJ and DEA. That has nothing to do with Bush or Republicans.
 

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You, Meach, Bar, IgSaint, and others are biased as fukk when it comes to Obama. Anyone with any common sense can see that.

You're just drones through and through.

I differ with Vic on a lot about Obama, but he isn't a drone. I actively see him criticize the President on important issues.

You on the other hand? Some posters already know what you're going to say before you say it.

You can keep that Election Rhetoric for the voters. I don't buy that shyt. It isn't a hate fest when I told you the superb job he has done on equal rights by pushing LGBT equality policies which I feel is to be applauded. I'm not going to sit by and let Meach make up shyt though because he has anecdotal tales.

At the end of the day, the boss behind the most destructive force to African-American progression is the President. He leads the War on Drugs, as he directs the DOJ and DEA. That has nothing to do with Bush or Republicans.

I've praised Bush in the past and criticized Obama. I learned from my father along time ago that anyone who has their mind made up before they enter a discussion is a fool. However, I refuse to get dragged down into this petty bullshyt that the media creates in order to get cats like you fired up. His speech was good and made a lot of sense. I hate the fact he doesn't have more blacks in his cabinet, the fact he didn't back Van Jones, the fact he hasn't more aggressively attacked issues like oil companies and their monopolies. I don't want to hear from a person who said they are not black commenting on how Obama addresses the black community. Walk a day in my life as a black man and then come in and comment on this shyt. You have no clue.
 

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I've praised Bush in the past and criticized Obama. I learned from my father along time ago that anyone who has their mind made up before they enter a discussion is a fool. However, I refuse to get dragged down into this petty bullshyt that the media creates in order to get cats like you fired up. His speech was good and made a lot of sense. I hate the fact he doesn't have more blacks in his cabinet, the fact he didn't back Van Jones, the fact he hasn't more aggressively attacked issues like oil companies and their monopolies. I don't want to hear from a person who said they are not black commenting on how Obama addresses the black community. Walk a day in my life as a black man and then come in and comment on this shyt. You have no clue.

Oh please. I made no comment on how he addresses the black community except to say that this has been Conservative narrative for 30 some odd years, which is true. Allen West has been saying the exact same things. I merely pointed this out.

The fact that you're black doesn't stop you for commenting on issues outside your race, but I have to conform? fukk off. This attack also ignores that several prominent black men are taking issues with the rhetoric not matching the policies.
 

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You posting all this shyt about what Obama is doing wrong but what do you want Obama to do for the black community? Stop complaining and come up with some solutions and try to make a change. shyt don't even try to make a change, just simply articulate something you think Obama could do to change the status of the black community. Or would you rather just continue posting articles by Obama detractors?


But, that being said, there are things that I feel the President has control of that would directly lead to eliminating a lot of issues that hurt our black American countrymen the most, but would be a progressive step forward for all :

1) Federal funding of the War on Drugs, De-criminalization of cannabis, and reeling in the DEA is probably the most obvious ones. The President can at least order the federal agencies to take a step back. The might meet some congressional blow back, but that didn't stop him from pushing the Gay Agenda through. He hasn't even tried on this front, with the exception the drug sentencing thing.

2) Prison Industrial Complex. Once again, Federal funding goes heavily to prop this system up. The DOJ's role should expand in prosecuting police departments and local governments that practice racial profiling as well as stop/frisk. The DOJ had no issue with takin Arizona to court or that Arizona sheriff for doing this to hispanics. Meanwhile, we have NYPD officers on tape telling cops to stop black men for being black men. The DOJ should be all up in that shyt with a fine tooth comb.

Even a portion of those things I listed will greatly help these communities.

The New Jim Crow might be a good read if you're interested.

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this isn't what this thread is about. It's about the President's failure on certain fronts.

This thread was about Obama addressing young African Americans not the bullshyt you want it to be about. So excuse yourself from this thread and make a I hate Obama thread. Don't turn this discussion into some other shyt which you tried to do.
 

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At the end of the day, the boss behind the most destructive force to African-American progression is the President. He leads the War on Drugs, as he directs the DOJ and DEA. That has nothing to do with Bush or Republicans.

How exactly is the war on drugs "destructive" to AAs?
 

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This thread was about Obama addressing young African Americans not the bullshyt you want it to be about. So excuse yourself from this thread and make a I hate Obama thread. Don't turn this discussion into some other shyt which you tried to do.


I made my first post 3 pages in. The discussion had already progressed you illiterate a$$hole.
 

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You guys need to relax.

This wasn't a speech to the black community at large. This was a speech for MOREHOUSE GRADUATES, who are ready to go out into the world and accept personal responsibility.
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2013 and folks still don't get it. This wasn't a speech to blacks, or Moorehouse Grad. He may have talked to them.. but he was addressing his white supporters and corporate backers. This was a speech to appease the status quo and white power structure. He is telling blacks folks what white folks wanna hear. And you fools fall for it every time.

Obama is skillful politician. Every public appearance and speech carefully crafted since he got in office. Look at how the media is reporting this. It's just another attack piece on blacks for them with the talking points supplied by Obama himself. Do you think the administration didn't anticipate the media response to this before hand? Where is the celebration of black excellence and the achievements of these young men who graduated? Have they not earned it if not just for one day? I guess the media and Obama cant have black men feeling to good about themselves. It might motivate them too much. They might start rocking the boat.
 
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