How the Haitian Revolution changed America and ADOS forever

[you're NOT "n!ggas"]

i guess i just need to come clean and stop beating around the bush

This thread was created to say- " Hey look Ados, look at how other africans helped you. How non ados shaped and molded your existence. Stop being so mean to them in 2019 with this Divisive ados reparations stuff. "

Word. I wasn't planning to share it, but so we're all on the same page. Multiple sources have be provided, which aren't even based in an ADOS narrative. It's just the reality of what happened. None of you can say what's wrong with the premise of the thread/topic-- you'd rather make it about me (ad hominems). Let's establish why the thread exists in the first place and move forward on the actual topic.

 

[xoxodede]

Word. I wasn't planning to share it, but so we're all on the same page. Multiple sources have be provided, which aren't even based in an ADOS narrative. It's just the reality of what happened. None of you can say what's wrong with the premise of the thread/topic-- you'd rather make it about me (ad hominems). Let's establish why the thread exists in the first place and move forward on the actual topic.

You are correct.

@K.O.N.Y I did ask him to post here.

I am glad I did too.

 

[K.O.N.Y]

Word. I wasn't planning to share it, but so we're all on the same page. Multiple sources have be provided, which aren't even based in an ADOS narrative. It's just the reality of what happened. None of you can say what's wrong with the premise of the thread/topic-- you'd rather make it about me (ad hominems). Let's establish why the thread exists in the first place and move forward on the actual topic.

Which is my problem

what post did @xoxodede neg. And we can take it from there

Did she neg a post that lead to a rise or not.

If yes than you were consistently in a position of trying to stir ruckus. Whether it be the post you made or this thread

 

[96Blue]

Just catching this but each of those events were stated in succession of one another. Issa domino effect.

Of course we could never say ALL but people knew. It was undeniable even then, that's why I don't understand what the issue is here.

The uprising sent waves of fear through the communities of slave owners in the United States, and inspired some slaves there to revolt. North Americans could read regularly in newspapers of events in the Caribbean colony, and many came face to face with the impact of the revolt as waves of refugees – the largest of them in late 1791 and in mid-1793 – arrived in port cities such as Philadelphia and Charleston. Among these refugees were not only white planters and slaves, but also free people of color. The population of New Orleans actually doubled in the early 19th century from a belated wave of Saint-Domingue immigrants who had first sought refuge in Cuba; these early "Haitian Americans" of many backgrounds helped shape the culture of Louisiana.

Rediscovering Haiti's Declaration of Independence | Haiti's Revolution and the United States

Now granted, New Orleans wasn't US soil just yet, but it soon would be. Charleston is where Denmark Vesey planned his insurrection. The article ends noting the fact that the US refused to acknowledge the revolution until 1862. And here we are... in 2019... and my own lineage doesn't wanna acknowledge it's impact

I guess you were right on this... Even though I still don't necessarily know what the debate was about.

 

[96Blue]

Wait, if Haitians technically got rid of slavery, what did we do?

 

[you're NOT "n!ggas"]

Which is my problem

what post did @xoxodede neg. And we can take it from there

Did she neg a post that lead to a rise or not.

If yes than you were consistently in a position of trying to stir ruckus. Whether it be the post you made or this thread

Let me get this right: someone on your team readily admitted to asking ME to bring this topic here and yet-- the onus is on ME to prove something? Y'all are funny breh. Some random person I've never seen tagged me out of nowhere in the ADOS thread just to say I should be ignored. I'm not even IN that thread like that breh I respect y'all's safe space and speak my piece elsewhere. But just like I was coaxed there, I was coaxed for this thread, on some 'bait and switch' shyt.

And that really goes to show that the actual topic isn't the issue... it's who said it. Y'all aren't even tryna address it anymore and I still see thru what's happening.

I guess you were right on this... Even though I still don't necessarily know what the debate was about.

Your honesty is validated breh If I could tell you what the "issue" is I would, but that's not for me to say. I shared a historical fact rooted in multiple references and accounts but people weren't happy about it

 

[96Blue]

Let me get this right: someone on your team readily admitted to asking ME to bring this topic here and yet-- the onus is on ME to prove something? Y'all are funny breh. Some random person I've never seen tagged me out of nowhere in the ADOS thread just to say I should be ignored. I'm not even IN that thread like that breh I respect y'all's safe space and speak my piece elsewhere. But just like I was coaxed there, I was coaxed for this thread, on some 'bait and switch' shyt.

And that really goes to show that the actual topic isn't the issue... it's who said it. Y'all aren't even tryna address it anymore and I still see thru what's happening.


Your honesty is validated breh If I could tell you what the "issue" is I would, but that's not for me to say. I shared a historical fact rooted in multiple references and accounts but people weren't happy about it

I'm going to try to find out more about this.

But, if I see anything or hear something else, then I'm gon say it in here.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Just catching this but each of those events were stated in succession of one another. Issa domino effect.

Of course we could never say ALL but people knew. It was undeniable even then, that's why I don't understand what the issue is here.

The uprising sent waves of fear through the communities of slave owners in the United States, and inspired some slaves there to revolt. North Americans could read regularly in newspapers of events in the Caribbean colony, and many came face to face with the impact of the revolt as waves of refugees – the largest of them in late 1791 and in mid-1793 – arrived in port cities such as Philadelphia and Charleston. Among these refugees were not only white planters and slaves, but also free people of color. The population of New Orleans actually doubled in the early 19th century from a belated wave of Saint-Domingue immigrants who had first sought refuge in Cuba; these early "Haitian Americans" of many backgrounds helped shape the culture of Louisiana.

Rediscovering Haiti's Declaration of Independence | Haiti's Revolution and the United States

Now granted, New Orleans wasn't US soil just yet, but it soon would be. Charleston is where Denmark Vesey planned his insurrection. The article ends noting the fact that the US refused to acknowledge the revolution until 1862. And here we are... in 2019... and my own lineage doesn't wanna acknowledge it's impact

ADOS who were free knew about it. The people were who were slaves, for obvious reasons, for the most part, didn't

 

[get these nets]

OP

I completely disagree with the premise in the video that inspired the thread. I watched the vid a few times to see if I missed the point that he was trying to establish.

African Americans are not supposed to view themselves as a distinct ethnic group because of the Haitian Revolution? Are Haitians supposed to not view each other as a distinct ethnic group because the maroons in Jamaica inspired the Haitian revolution (by forcing the British to sign a peace treaty decades earlier?)

The part of the video where he said that is along the lines of the revising/whitewashing/distortion of African American history that people are justifiably angry about.

I tend to put more stock in what a person is about and their values than what their nationality is. BUT at all times I recognize and respect who they are and where they are from. What the guy in the video is indirectly implying is what (white) people do when they say "I don't see color, we are all one"
Naw, you do see color!

I have to read the OP and watch the video again to write a proper counter post, but I couldn't disagree more with what was said in the video.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

Wait, if Haitians technically got rid of slavery, what did we do?

Well if my ancestors "got rid of slavery" then your ancestors "got rid of the embargo".

To put it a different way, both groups of Africans delivered economic freedoms and opportunity to the other.

Even steven?

 

[you're NOT "n!ggas"]

OP

I completely disagree with this premise and the comments in the video that inspired the thread. I watched the vid a few times to see if I missed the point that he was trying to establish.

African Americans are not supposed to view themselves as a distinct ethnic group because of the Haitian Revolution? Are Haitians supposed to not view each other as a distinct ethnic group because the maroons in Jamaica inspired the Haitian revolution (by forcing the British to sign a peace treaty decades earlier?)

The part of the video where he said that is along the lines of the revising/whitewashing/distortion of African American history that people are justifiably angry about.

I tend to put more stock in what a person is about and their values than what their nationality is. BUT at all times I recognize and respect who they are and where they are from. What the guy in the video is indirectly implying is what (white) people do when they say "I don't see color, we are all one"
Naw, you do see color!

I have to read the OP and watch the video again to write a proper counter post, but I couldn't disagree more.

I never said that We're talking about a major event in world history and how it effected America and by extension ADOS people. That is nowhere close to saying we're the same ethnic group, or that they did it to "help" us, etc. People are projecting.

 

[get these nets]

I never said that We're talking about a major event in world history and how it effected America and by extension ADOS people. That is nowhere close to saying we're the same ethnic group, or that they did it to "help" us, etc. People are projecting.

Wasn't that the implication of that segment of the video?

Going to watch it again.

 

[you're NOT "n!ggas"]

Wasn't that the implication of that segment of the video?

Going to watch it again.

There's three videos so I'm not sure which one you're talking about but they, the link, and quotes posted later are just references for the point that *I* am making.

 

[get these nets]

@ciroq drobama ,
I remembered the comment correctly

"Every one is entitled to opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts.
What happened in Haiti had a great effect on us here....so for us to separate ourselves and the slave experience here in America from the slave experience in Haiti? it means that a) you don't understand the everybody came over on the same boat...it was just different stops"

3:42 of video, in spoiler
cued

Spoiler

If this thread is not an extension of the thread featuring this video, then I apologize and have to make comments based on the videos that are the basis of the thread.

 

[xoxodede]

Wasn't that the implication of that segment of the video?

Going to watch it again.

It is. Honestly, he's throwing anything out and waiting for something to stick --- or a non-ADOS to come in and co-sign. Basically, so he can concern troll ADOS.

He also stated that the HR sparked -- I"m sorry -- caused the "domino effect" for the Civil War.

He also indirectly credits the uprising by our ancestors to the HR. When sure a few free people of color @IllmaticDelta mentioned in two-three key states heard about what happened. And a few uprising right after in those KEY states where Haitians were migrating too and lived as FPOC were. But, that's it.

But, most were (99.5%) enslaved and didn't hear anything about the HR - - and were also having uprisings - before, during and after the HR.

He is also saying we wouldn't be who we are today - based on ADOS culture and life - nor would our enslaved ancestors life/culture be what it was - if it wasn't for the HR -- and the Haitians who migrated to Louisiana -- and the Louisiana Purchase.

Again, much respect to Haitians and the HR -- in addition to the contributions to Black American Culture -- but I am over this everyone gets to take credit for -- or are apart of ADOS history.