How the Haitian Revolution changed America and ADOS forever

[you're NOT "n!ggas"]

OK. -- I can agree. But, that didn't have anything to do with the CW -- or ADOS - -and our ancestors enslavement -- nor them gaining freedom.

No, it didn't have a domino effect. You are going to have to cite/source that. Cause it did not.

And Yes -- if you were correct -- we would NOT have seen Louisiana become a SLAVE state, a TOP slave export -- and so on. Louisiana was unlike ANY other Confederate state -- if was also the top location for "blacks" -- many from Haiti who were enslavers as well.

Doubled in sized and did what!? It aint like that helped anything for ADOS enslaved ancestors -- again -- most of our ancestors knew nothing of the HR - with all due respect to them.

No, you don't know how I feel. And I know it's NO way you are a history major -- if so..... it's sad.

Your argument is the same as the US would be different or in existence -- if our ancestors weren't sold into slavery.

Being a history major is nothing to be proud about if you aren't a professor ,and even then

The point was, it's the same argument our opponents use. "It was a long time ago" so it doesn't matter.


Y'all are the only ones to say it "helped" anything. My point is on the ramifications, good and bad can and did come out of that. None of it was the Haitians intention but acknowledgement is key.

 

[K.O.N.Y]

Respect the haitians and there revolution. Ados has already repaid anything we owe on this already

The civil war and the 180,000 ados who participated is what we need to be concerned about

 

[K.O.N.Y]

Being a history major is nothing to be proud about if you aren't a professor ,and even then

The point was, it's the same argument our opponents use. "It was a long time ago" so it doesn't matter.


Y'all are the only ones to say it "helped" anything. My point is on the ramifications, good and bad can and did come out of that. None of it was the Haitians intention but acknowledgement is key.

The bolded is completely ridiculous

 

[xoxodede]

Being a history major is nothing to be proud about if you aren't a professor ,and even then

The point was, it's the same argument our opponents use. "It was a long time ago" so it doesn't matter.


Y'all are the only ones to say it "helped" anything. My point is on the ramifications, good and bad can and did come out of that. None of it was the Haitians intention but acknowledgement is key.

It's nothing to be proud about if you didn't learn anything. History majors cite sources - and love doing it. They also are well-read. They don't take "holistic approaches."

I love history -- some of my fave people are historians.

No, I didn't say the HR didn't matter. I said it didn't spark the CW. Nor did it have a major effect of ADOS enslaved ancestors - other than scaring white folks to be even more evil.

Nah. Your argument was that the HR was the catalyst for the CW. And you were wrong.

 

[xoxodede]

Respect the haitians and there revolution. Ados has already repaid anything we owe on this already

The civil war and the 180,000 ados who participated is what we need to be concerned about

Thank you.

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/the...oops-usct-who-fought-in-the-civil-war.564130/

 

[Secure Da Bag]

Being a history major is nothing to be proud about if you aren't a professor ,and even then

The point was, it's the same argument our opponents use. "It was a long time ago" so it doesn't matter.


Y'all are the only ones to say it "helped" anything. My point is on the ramifications, good and bad can and did come out of that. None of it was the Haitians intention but acknowledgement is key.

Putting history is in its proper place is key. The Haitian Revolution for all its effects is still a separate issue from ADOS. Conflating the two to push a Pan-African narrative doesn't help the situation at all. It causes unnecessary conflict and muddies an already complicated situation.

My people managed an amazing and miraculous thing. The ADOS brethren here have never, in the time I've been here, disrespected it, not acknowledged it, or tried to take anything away from it. But the HR is that and the ADOS is this. There's no need to blur those lines.

 

[K.O.N.Y]

Thank you.

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/the...oops-usct-who-fought-in-the-civil-war.564130/

what i would give to go back in time and be able to see the Ados civil war legions marching through the south-going off to war

i say this as someone who was in the military

 

[you're NOT "n!ggas"]

The bolded is completely ridiculous

I was gonna be a teacher then move i to principal breh, it's in the family. Life let me know that's not for me.

It's nothing to be proud about if you didn't learn anything. History majors cite sources - and love doing it. They also are well-read. They don't take "holistic approaches."

I love history -- some of my fave people are historians.

No, I didn't say the HR didn't matter. I said it didn't spark the CW. Nor did it have a major effect of ADOS enslaved ancestors - other than scaring white folks to be even more evil.

Nah. Your argument was that the HR was the catalyst for the CW. And you were wrong.

Again, I never said any of this and yall agree the revolution had an impact so I truly fail to see where the problem is.

Putting history is in its proper place is key. The Haitian Revolution for all its effects is still a separate issue from ADOS. Conflating the two to push a Pan-African narrative doesn't help the situation at all. It causes unnecessary conflict and muddies an already complicated situation.

My people managed an amazing and miraculous thing. The ADOS brethren here have never, in the time I've been here, disrespected it, not acknowledged it, or tried to take anything away from it. But the HR is that and the ADOS is this. There's no need to blur those lines.

Idk, I haven't seen a concrete argument stating otherwise just yet. Colonial amd US powers knew what it was then and some how y'all can't get it today. I'd love to hear what yall think things would be without the HR

 

[xoxodede]

Putting history is in its proper place is key. The Haitian Revolution for all its effects is still a separate issue from ADOS. Conflating the two to push a Pan-African narrative doesn't help the situation at all. It causes unnecessary conflict and muddies an already complicated situation.

My people managed an amazing and miraculous thing. The ADOS brethren here have never, in the time I've been here, disrespected it, not acknowledged it, or tried to take anything away from it. But the HR is that and the ADOS is this. There's no need to blur those lines.

The bolded is what this is AND about. Thank you for calling this out.

 

[xoxodede]

I was gonna be a teacher then move i to principal breh, it's in the family. Life let me know that's not for me.


Again, I never said any of this and yall agree the revolution had an impact so I truly fail to see where the problem is.


Idk, I haven't seen a concrete argument stating otherwise just yet. Colonial amd US powers knew what it was then and some how y'all can't get it today. I'd love to hear what yall think things would be without the HR

You did though...LOL.

You even posted this article/blog post -- and bolded your fave parts -- and the book in your second post in this thread -- which you did not read -- to I guess prove your point.

It impacted the U.S. as @For Da Bag stated in terms of abolitionist movement - and scaring white folks. But, so did ANY slave uprisings.

I'm proud of Haitians and their history. And I am proud of ADOS history. They stand separately though. As they should.

How would things be without the HR? I don't know - but I don't think it would have any impact on ADOS or our situations. Sorry -- I just don't. Some things will be missed from Louisiana though. I"m sure.

 

[Lord-Yosh]

Putting history is in its proper place is key. The Haitian Revolution for all its effects is still a separate issue from ADOS. Conflating the two to push a Pan-African narrative doesn't help the situation at all. It causes unnecessary conflict and muddies an already complicated situation.

My people managed an amazing and miraculous thing. The ADOS brethren here have never, in the time I've been here, disrespected it, not acknowledged it, or tried to take anything away from it. But the HR is that and the ADOS is this. There's no need to blur those lines.

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[you're NOT "n!ggas"]

You did though...LOL.

You even posted this article/blog post -- and bolded your fave parts -- and the book in your second post in this thread -- which you did not read -- to I guess prove your point.

It impacted the U.S. as @For Da Bag stated in terms of abolitionist movement - and scaring white folks. But, so did ANY slave uprisings.

I'm proud of Haitians and their history. And I am proud of ADOS history. They stand separately though. As they should.

How would things be without the HR? I don't know - but I don't think it would have any impact on ADOS or our situations. Sorry -- I just don't.

This reads Iike acknowledging Haitian accomplishments/influence is somehiw dissing ourselves-- I don't get why it has to be that way. You can try to separate our histories all you want cuz you "just dont" see the connection but the fact remains that the powers that be at the time understood what their moment meant for them and acted accordingly in their personal interest.

I still haven't seen anything arguing otherwise and you've already admitted that you don't know what things would be like without the revolution. You "just don't" like mingling them but that's the world and history. None of this shyt happens in a vacuum. Archduke Ferdinand was shot and somehow OUR ancestors wound up fighting in World War I.

 

[K.O.N.Y]

I was gonna be a teacher then move i to principal breh, it's in the family. Life let me know that's not for me.

ok breh Not sure what that has to do with anything

But between over hundreds of slave revolts, Both seminole wars, the Civil war, civil rights etc. We dont owe anybody anything

 

[xoxodede]

This reads Iike acknowledging Haitian accomplishments/influence is somehiw dissing ourselves-- I don't get why it has to be that way. You can try to separate our histories all you want cuz you "just dont" see the connection but the fact remains that the powers that be at the time understood what their moment meant for them and acted accordingly in their personal interest.

I still haven't seen anything arguing otherwise and you've already admitted that you don't know what things would be like without the revolution. You "just don't" like mingling them but that's the world and history.

No, you want to read it like that.

I have continued to give Haitians and their ancestors their due in this thread and others. So, please stop.

You want to mix it up together -- and I am saying DON'T.

I would love to know how my Alabama ancestors life would be different.

Like @For Da Bag stated - they stand on their own. Stop trying to push this narrative. It's really disrespectful to all parties.

You can also ask: What would life be like if we weren't sold into slavery?

 

[you're NOT "n!ggas"]

ok breh Not sure what that has to do with anything

But between over hundreds of slave revolts, Both seminole wars, the Civil war, civil rights etc. We dont owe anybody anything

No, you want to read it like that.

I have continued to give Haitians and their ancestors their due in this thread and others. So, please stop.

You want to mix it up together -- and I am saying DON'T.

I would love to know how my Alabama ancestors life would be different.

Like @For Da Bag stated - they stand on their own. Stop trying to push this narrative. It's really disrespectful to all parties.

You can also ask: What would life be like if we weren't sold into slavery?

Yeah... so I appreciate y'all contributing but it's clear that you really aren't able to form an argument starting otherwise, you just 'feel' our histories shouldn't be intertwined when they already are. Some how ADOS can influence the world thru music, culture, etc... but Haitians cant cant influence geopolitics thru revolution. It'd be cool if I were but I'm NOT posing groundbreaking ideas or theories here. They're well established accounts of what happened, the assessment from parties involved, and what it meant in the long term.