How Much Longer before we stop giving Old People a pass for being Computer Illiterate?

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If you're referring to schools, they can. It literally says exactly that in the guidelines for every case where a student lost their mind over a teacher doing it.

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not arguing if they can, or even if they should. just arguing that people are dumb if they think they can do it peacefully 100% of the time. and that the times where it wasn;t peaceful weren't 100% avoidable by just sending the kid to office or something.
 

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I'd flip this around and wonder how much longer do we give young people a pass for being computer illiterate? My parents, who are TERRIBLE with computers, are better at it than my 14 year old cousin. She's completely focused on tablets and phones. I'd go even farther and say she is terrible at tech in general. When I was a kid I was constantly fixing a computer, television, phone...any type of technology. Internet down? I could fix it, or figure out the problem. TV cable down? I knew what to do.

I remember downloading the Japanese version of Pokemon Silver/Gold ROM on a floppy disk, months before the game came out in America lmao. Me and my friends would do LAN parties and play StarCraft, Diablo, Quake, etc. We downloaded all types of wild shyt on Kazaa, AND knew how to fix the computer if we accidently got a virus from that shyt. Today I'm not sure most kids know how to fix anything beyond putting new batteries in a TV remote.
 

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not arguing if they can, or even if they. just arguing that people are dumb if they think they can do it peacefully 100% of the time. and that the times where it wasn;t peaceful weren't 100% avoidable.

Well, if the student/parent has an issue with that policy, they have the right to not use that school. But I dunno what being dumb has to do with it. It's dumb to agree to a school's policy by attending, then saying "nah, not me" when they actually enforce the policy. Let alone resorting to violence over it.

There's a reason kids get arrested after crashing out over cell phones. They don't have a leg to stand on, legally speaking.

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Well, if the student/parent has an issue with that policy, they have the right to not use that school. But I dunno what being dumb has to do with it. It's dumb to agree to a school's policy by attending, then saying "nah, not me" when they actually enforce the policy. Let alone resorting to violence over it.

There's a reason kids get arrested after crashing out over cell phones. They don't have a leg to stand on, legally speaking.

Fred.
Easy to avoid having kids crash out over phones. If Instead of stealing their most prized possession, you just boot them from class.
Instead of looking for the easy solution they just let the kids crash out and act like everything is working as is. I bet at least some of those kids would never have gotten into that serious of trouble if they tried alternative solutions.
 
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I'd flip this around and wonder how much longer do we give young people a pass for being computer illiterate? My parents, who are TERRIBLE with computers, are better at it than my 14 year old cousin. She's completely focused on tablets and phones. I'd go even farther and say she is terrible at tech in general. When I was a kid I was constantly fixing a computer, television, phone...any type of technology. Internet down? I could fix it, or figure out the problem. TV cable down? I knew what to do.

I remember downloading the Japanese version of Pokemon Silver/Gold ROM on a floppy disk, months before the game came out in America lmao. Me and my friends would do LAN parties and play StarCraft, Diablo, Quake, etc. We downloaded all types of wild shyt on Kazaa, AND knew how to fix the computer if we accidently got a virus from that shyt. Today I'm not sure most kids know how to fix anything beyond putting new batteries in a TV remote.

I think it's more of no troubleshooting skills/lack of curiosity.

So many young dudes in IT don't know how to break down a problem into smaller steps.

You generally get curious and try to figure out how something works from step 1.

That was a skill never taught in any school I went to, so I doubt it's being taught and cultivated now.
 

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Easy to avoid having kids crash out over phones. Instead of stealing their most prized possession, you just boot them from class.

:mjlol:

Again, that's not the policy. The policy is to confiscate the disruptive student's phone. We hear about a handful of these situations a year, out of the 70+ million students enrolled in America schools.

They aren't changing the policy to cater to a few bad children and their parents. You want them to overhaul what they're doing when the outliers are catching assault charges. They aren't changing anything for them.

Fred.
 

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My mom was not trying to hear about that shyt when it was blowing up. To this day she still won’t fukk with computers. She makes my siblings do whatever she needs, paying bills, applying for jobs etc.

My dad got us a computer in the 90s and made us learn it. shyt they don’t even make anymore. It was a fukking e-machine desktop from walmart then a compaq desktop from circuit city.
 

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Again, that's not the policy. The policy is to confiscate the disruptive student's phone. We hear about a handful of these situations a year, out of the 70+ million students enrolled in America schools.

They aren't changing the policy to cater to a few bad children and their parents. You want them to overhaul what they're doing when the outliers are catching assault charges. They aren't changing anything for them.

Fred.
And the problem will continue as a result. Doing things the hard way just cause. but at least some schools are looking for intelligent alternative policies.
Yondr pouch. Allows to the kids to keep their phones, but renders them unusual unless the teacher unlocks the pouch. Doesn't require the theft of peoples very expensive personal property
 
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And the problem will continue as a result. Doing things the hard way just cause.

The root issue is the parenting. Kid is acting a fool in class with his phone....why does he feel comfortable doing that?

And then, inevitably, when that same kid crashes out, the parent is on the news ranting against the school. Which is why the kid felt empowered to act up in the first place. Bad parenting put a battery in the kid's back.

This is a parenting issue, not a school or cell phone issue. Most kids can function at school just fine without attacking someone over a phone.

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The root issue is the parenting. Kid is acting a fool in class with his phone....why does he feel comfortable doing that?

And then, inevitably, when that same kid crashes out, the parent is on the news ranting against the school. Which is why the kid felt empowered to act up in the first place. Bad parenting put a battery in the kid's back.

This is a parenting issue, not a school or cell phone issue. Most kids can function at school just fine without attacking someone over a phone.

Fred.
If the issue only exists because of the policy, its a policy issue.
You can change the policy,(which is very easy) or have the entirely unrealistic expectation that every student you encounter will have a perfect upbringing and discipline.
 

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If the issue only exists because of the policy, its a policy issue.
You can change the policy,(which is very easy) or have the entirely unrealistic expectation that every student you encounter will have a perfect upbringing and discipline.
:what:...Not having hands and feet put upon you for enforcing policy is not unrealistic breh.
 

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:what:...Not having hands and feet put upon you for enforcing policy is not unrealistic breh.
If you go around snatching peoples phones, Hands and Feet will get put on you at some point, Its just a question of when, not if. So yes expecting that not to happen is unrealistic.
 

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If you go around snatching peoples phones, Hands and Feet will get put on you at some point, Its just a question of when, not if. So yes expecting that not to happen is unrealistic.
Nah this aint it. I'm positive parents and children are aware of the policy. It's not an arbitrary act. That's like not asking a student to not have side convos "cuz nobody tells my baby to be quiet."
 

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Back to original thread topic. This is still true. No way you go from hanging out in the arcades in the 80s. to not know how to use an email 40 year later.
The people in the first pic are in their 60s and 70s now. Those are the old heads saying they don't know computers. Riduclous.
made sense for old people in the 90s. But not today.

Yo, I got a nice job based on tenured employees not being tech-savvy. Chill breh. :whoa::mjlol:
 

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Nah this aint it. I'm positive parents and children are aware of the policy. It's not an arbitrary act. That's like not asking a student to not have side convos "cuz nobody tells my baby to be quiet."
Doesn't matter, its still going to happen at some point, and can be easily avoided while still enforcing discipline in your classroom.
You just being stubborn at this point. Send that kid to principles office or employ some tech to prevent use of phone, or fight kids for their phones.
Each option is as easy to employ as the next. Your choice, you can't just lump it all on the parents as if you have no choice in the matter.
 
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