How is QBR calculated?

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i get that. but for me it's a same damn TD. what's wrong with leading a WR who had a step on the DB and throw a 20 yard dart that got him 80yard TD? easy pitch and catch that resulted in 6? i'll take that anytime anyday. yes, QB shouldn't take all the credit for that. but they shouldn't take the points away from the QB either. objective for QB is to score points no matter how it happened.

You say that a QB's objective is to score points, but QBR is more based on a QB's ability to add points than qb rating is. QBR factors in the expected points that each play adds.

Also:
Play A:
QB throws a long pass in a tight window to for a 50 yard touchdown. Play happens at the very end of the game and is the game winning touchdown vs toughest defense.
Play B:
QB tosses a shovel pass to his RB who runs 50 yards for a TD. Play happens in garbage time vs weakest defense.

QB rating will tell you that these two plays are the same. QBR will tell you that Play A is better.
What QBR attempts to do is better than what QB rating does, but it may need to be tweaked a bit.
 

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who cares.... i hear skip bayless bring this shyt up for dak , to make a case of him being a top 5 QB:mjlol:

It's a bunch of nonsense :russ:

He even knows the stat is some bullshyt :russ:

Dak threw 6tds and 9int the last 8 games but this nikka was a top 4 QB according to QBR :mjlol:

Nobody on the planet believes dak played like a top 4 QB last year. Cowboys getting ready to move on from his ass. They look at game tape, not no damn QBR :mjlol:

How tf can you throw for 200 yards 2 picks, 0 tds, 0 rushing tds and have a QBR of 67 but nikkas passing for 300+ yards 3tds and 0 int and be in the 40's :mjlol:

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No wonder his QBR is so high.....this was a GREAT GAME :russ:

Only idiots believe in this dumbass stat and defend it :laff::laff::laff::laff::laff:
 

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You say that a QB's objective is to score points, but QBR is more based on a QB's ability to add points than qb rating is. QBR factors in the expected points that each play adds.

Also:
Play A:
QB throws a long pass in a tight window to for a 50 yard touchdown. Play happens at the very end of the game and is the game winning touchdown vs toughest defense.
Play B:
QB tosses a shovel pass to his RB who runs 50 yards for a TD. Play happens in garbage time vs weakest defense.

QB rating will tell you that these two plays are the same. QBR will tell you that Play A is better.
What QBR attempts to do is better than what QB rating does, but it may need to be tweaked a bit.


but it doesn't really explain something like this tho
Charlie Batch’s 186-yard, two-pick game has ESPN’s best QBR ever

batch had 186yards and 2 INTs and had all time best QBR 99.9. :mjlol: and then mysteriously they took it down. :ohhh: i swear i saw it with my 2 eyes. but it's not there anymore
NFL Total Quarterback Rating - National Football League - ESPN


and where is the formula? i haven't seen it. what are they hiding?



and yes passer rating treats all completion equal and they ignore fumbles.
and that's why i brought up passer rating fails. it's not a good metrics for per game basis. but it's the best we have for seasonal stats.
 

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i get that. but for me it's a same damn TD. what's wrong with leading a WR who had a step on the DB and throw a 20 yard dart that got him 80yard TD? easy pitch and catch that resulted in 6? i'll take that anytime anyday. yes, QB shouldn't take all the credit for that. but they shouldn't take the points away from the QB either. objective for QB is to score points no matter how it happened.
They don't "take it away" from the QB. It still counts as a great play. It just doesn't get any extra points for being an 80yard TD as opposed to a 20 yard dart.

In QB rating, a screen pass to the RB that goes for an 80 yard TD is worth WAY more than a 20 yard dart that gets a key 1st down on 3rd-and-15. It gets 60 extra yards and the TD, so it looks WAY better for the end of game stats. On the dumb stats that @Darealtwo1 keeps posting with no context, those extra 60 yards and the extra TD make the QB look way better, even though the QB didn't do much of anything.

In QBR, they're both good plays. And you keep it moving. The 80 yard TD screen pass doesn't get 10 times as much credit as the key 20 yard dart.
 

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How tf can you throw for 200 yards 2 picks, 0 tds, 0 rushing tds and have a QBR of 67 but nikkas passing for 300+ yards 3tds and 0 int and be in the 40's :mjlol:
I realize that one of the reasons you stay so ignorant is that you care way too much about picks out of context.

In that Josh Goff game I broke down for you, Goff had a bunch of drives that went like:

1st-and-10: False start
1st-and-15: Incomplete pass
2nd-and-15: Incomplete pass
3rd-and-15: Throws useless 8-yard pass
Punt

That's a horrible drive, four bad plays in a row and ending in a punt with no field position gained. Doesn't give the defense any work at all. But in the "stats" that you love so much, it goes down as 1-3 for 8 yards. You won't even notice it in the end.



Meanwhile, in Dak's first drive from the game you listed, he threw for 2 first downs and brought the Cowboys 40 yards down the field, and then threw a pick. He had two good passes and two bad passes.

That's not a bad drive, just a bad ending. Most of Dak's throws were good, and he kept Oakland's defense on the field for a while. But your ignorant butt looking at the box score is just going to see the pick and think, "Oh, that's terrible! Look, he has 2 in the interception column. That's terrible!"

When in reality that interception wasn't any worse than the constant 3-and-outs that Goff had in the other game, which you thought was "great."



1st Drive: 40 yards in 9 plays, throws 6-yard and 18-yard passes for 1st downs before thowing a pick to end the drive. MEDIOCRE DRIVE.

2nd Drive: 41 yards in 9 plays, throws 8-yard pass for a first down, also has a 6-yard run and 5-yard pass but ends drive with incompletion and FG. MEDIOCRE DRIVE.

3rd Drive: 65 yards in 9 plays. Dak goes 4-4 for 54 yards throwing 3 first downs. On 1st-and-Goal from the 8, Dak scrambles 4 yards to the 4, then draws a pass interference penalty that puts the ball on the 1, and the RB punches it in for the TD. FANTASTIC TD DRIVE.

Note that that's one of the best drives we've seen, Dak made one big play after another. But nothing that happened after 1st-and-goal shows up in your dumb stats. The 4 yard run to get the ball to the 4 is big, but doesn't show in passing stats. Drawing the pass interference to put the ball on the 1 basically created the TD, but he gets no credit for that at all in QB rating.

4th Drive: 16 yards in 10 plays. Weird drive because Dak gets one 1st-down by drawing a defensive holding penalty and then throws a 13-yard pass on 3rd-and-12 for another big first down, but the drive dies on a run for no gain, pass for 1 yard, and incomplete pass. So he had two big plays but it doesn't go anywhere in the end. BAD DRIVE.

5th Drive: Pick thrown. TERRIBLE DRIVE.

6th Drive: 75 yards in 13 plays to put the Cowboys up 17-10. The stats say that Dak went just 2-4 for 26 yards on this drive. The stats don't tell you that both passes were big plays that set up 1st downs. The stats don't tell you that two Dak throws drew a Defensive Holding for a big 1st down and a Defensive PI for a big 1st down. The stats don't tell you that Dak ran 8 yards to get 1st-and-Goal then ran 5 yards for the TD. Dak made SIX great plays on this drive to get the TD to put Dallas ahead. In your dumb stats, he gets credit for almost nothing. FANTASTIC TD DRIVE.

7th Drive: 7 yards in 4 plays. Dak runs for 11 yards for a 1st down and throws a 6-yard pass and a 15-yard pass, but a 4-yard loss on a Dez run and a 10-yard offensive holding penalty kill the drive. Dak had 3 good plays but other players' mistakes keep it from going anywhere. MEDIOCRE DRIVE.

8th Drive: 69 yards in 11 plays. Dak passes 3-4 for 62 yards, passing for 3 first downs, and also runs for a 1st down on 4th-and-1. Unfortunately, after he sets up 1st-and-Goal on the five Dallas fails to score on three straight running plays and has to settle for a FG, but that puts them up 20-17 and they win the game. GREAT DRIVE.



3 great drives
3 mediocre drives
2 bad drives



Dak made great plays all game long, only had a couple bad drives the whole game. The stat line didn't look spectacular because Dak doesn't get credit for the TD he ran in and the TD he set up with a run, he doesn't get credit for all the defensive penalties he drew all game, and he can't help that his teammates killed drives a couple times with bad penalties or runs that went nowhere. But when it came down to the end, he made a bunch of huge plays to set up the go-ahead TD and then the game-winning FG.

You just see the picks in the stat line, you don't see that those only ended 2 drives but his other drives were great. You see the lack of TDs in the stat line, you don't see that he set up all of Dallas's TDs with his legs. You see the lack of yards in the stat line, you don't see that almost all of his passes went for 1st downs and he repeatedly drew defensive penalties for 1st downs as well.

It wasn't an incredible game. But it was a good game. He consistently made good plays all game long. It's not a 90 rating game or even a 75 rating game, but he sure deserves that 67 rating. It ain't like that awful Josh Goff game where he single-handedly submarined 7 straight drives before finally redeeming himself solely because his defense kept getting him the ball back.

But yeah, keep caping for dumb stats with no context and getting angry when people work to make something better. :umad:
 

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Here's one quick way of looking at it.

Rodgers game: Started the game with 4 straight 3-and-outs, didn't get a 1st down until the 2nd half.

Goff game: Started the game with 3 straight 3-and-outs and had 2 other bad drives that were basically 3-and-out

Dak game: ZERO 3-and-outs all game, kept Oakland's defense on the field for 68 plays in just 8 drives.


But the dumb stats don't show that. The dumb stats don't show whether your plays ended drives or kept drives going, they don't show whether you gave the other team lots of chances to score or kept them off the field.
 

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but it doesn't really explain something like this tho
Charlie Batch’s 186-yard, two-pick game has ESPN’s best QBR ever

batch had 186yards and 2 INTs and had all time best QBR 99.9. :mjlol: and then mysteriously they took it down. :ohhh: i swear i saw it with my 2 eyes. but it's not there anymore
NFL Total Quarterback Rating - National Football League - ESPN


and where is the formula? i haven't seen it. what are they hiding?



and yes passer rating treats all completion equal and they ignore fumbles.
and that's why i brought up passer rating fails. it's not a good metrics for per game basis. but it's the best we have for seasonal stats.

They didn't "mysteriously take it down" they modified the formula to improve it.
Like I said in the post you quoted, they probably will need to keep tweaking it.

Wiki:
Further criticism of QBR was brought about when, before some tinkering with the equation of QBR, Steelers quarterback Charlie Batch had the greatest individual game ever evaluated by QBR. Batch threw for 186 yards with two interceptions in the game.

QBR is relatively new, it is not a surprise that there are some issues with it. But it is a good thing that they work to improve it.
 

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They need to find something better than both. Pff type stat nerds have infinite time on there hand so they should be able come up with something that's better by now.lol
 

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I'm dying waiting for someone to post that Josh Allen had a better game than Dak today. :troll:

Because you know, traditional stats. :lolbron:
 

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Charlie Batch’s 186-yard, two-pick game has ESPN’s best QBR ever

LMAO

186 YARDS 2 INT IS A 99.9 :laff::laff::laff::laff::laff::laff:

300 yards 3TD's 0 INT is 40's :laff::laff::laff::laff::laff::laff:


QBR BULLshyt :pachaha:
What you have failed to comprehend is that QBR is an efficiency stat, not a total numbers stat.

Batch threw for 186 yards and 3 tds on just 16 passes. Led the team to 31 points and a dominating win on just 8 drives. Other than the pick, the only blots on his entire day were two incompletions on 3rd down. The rest of the drives were perfect.

Batch threw for nearly 12 yards a pass and had a TD for every 5 throws. And the last int didn't even count because it was garbage time and the score was 38-13, the game was already over.

12-16 for 186 yards and 3 tds with 1 int is an almost perfect game. Outside of the pick there were only 3 incomplete passes the whole time.


Of course, if you don't realize that QBR is an efficiency stat, not a total numbers stat, then you will stay ignorant and confused. 300 yards is meaningless if it takes you twice as many passes and five times as many incompletions to get there.
 

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but it doesn't really explain something like this tho
Charlie Batch’s 186-yard, two-pick game has ESPN’s best QBR ever

batch had 186yards and 2 INTs and had all time best QBR 99.9. :mjlol: and then mysteriously they took it down. :ohhh: i swear i saw it with my 2 eyes. but it's not there anymore
NFL Total Quarterback Rating - National Football League - ESPN


and where is the formula? i haven't seen it. what are they hiding?



and yes passer rating treats all completion equal and they ignore fumbles.
and that's why i brought up passer rating fails. it's not a good metrics for per game basis. but it's the best we have for seasonal stats.

OFC they took that shyt down. How can you be perfect if you threw 2INTs :laff::laff:
There's nothing to discuss. You can't have a perfect game anymore after that
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You would think Patrick Mahomes 6tds 0int would be better than Charlie batch but nope. QBR says batch was God level lmao!

fukking tannehill throws 2tds 0ints completes 75% they run the ball the second half cuz they up 20-0 and his QBR is in the 20s
:laff::laff::laff:


David Garrard has the 9th best season of all time according to QBR. That tells me it's shyt..

Garrard had a good season that year but not some all time great..

I remember his rating being like 102.. That sounds reasonable

David Garrad had the 9th best season of ALL TIME according to QBR :deadmanny:

Better seasons than all the GOATS that have played :mjgrin:

And he didn't win the MVP :deadmanny:

Wait fukk that he wasn't an all pro that year either
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WAIT HOLD TF UP. HE DIDNT EVEN GET INVITED TO fukkING PRO BOWL. HE HAD THE 9th BEST SEASON OF ALL TIME
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That's all folks :laff::laff:
 

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Is someone who shoots 3-3 and scores 8 points in a basketball game better than someone who shoots 10-15 and scores 25?

No, but they were more efficient. And until you realize that QBR is an efficiency stat and not a total score then you will continue looking ignorant and saying stupid things.

This is like someone complaining that Boban's PER is high when he's not an MVP candidate. It's a complaint that only makes sense if you are totally clueless as to what you're even looking at.
 
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