How Good Are Charter Schools For the Public School System?

[DEAD7]

If you think they are doing a great job, just say so.

 

[Jhoon]

I guess I am, cause that made no sense.

youre dumb. And im not a public school teacher, im not responsible for educating you.

 

[DANKTHRONE]

From another thread:

"Even if I support experimenting with charters, this is the single biggest reason I'm skeptical of the charter model: Some of them do very well, but if expanding the model nationwide requires an army of high-quality teachers willing to work long hours for modest pay, where are they going to come from?

 

[Mr. Somebody]

From another thread:

"Even if I support experimenting with charters, this is the single biggest reason I'm skeptical of the charter model: Some of them do very well, but if expanding the model nationwide requires an army of high-quality teachers willing to work long hours for modest pay, where are they going to come from?

So by design do an overabundance of charter schools hurt the public school system.

 

[DEAD7]

youre dumb. And im not a public school teacher, im not responsible for educating you.

 

[theworldismine13]

Maybe he made a mistake and listened to you.

Ultimately if you arent doing your job as a parent the school isnt going to make much of a difference. There is little a charter school can teach a child that a parent cant teach the child on their own but its understandable that because of responsibilities parents have a hands off approach to parenting and let other people decide what is best for their seed to understand, friend.

why are you saying he made a mistake to send his kids to charter schools? he's a grown man this is an open platform, if he thinks he made a mistake im sure he would say so himself, you dont have to speak for him

i have no idea what the rest of your post has to do with charter schools vs public schools

 

[theworldismine13]

From another thread:

"Even if I support experimenting with charters, this is the single biggest reason I'm skeptical of the charter model: Some of them do very well, but if expanding the model nationwide requires an army of high-quality teachers willing to work long hours for modest pay, where are they going to come from?

that isnt the model, as i explained in that same thread, the model is to not have an overbearing bureaucracy micro managing schools and also to address culture

of course having good teachers is good, but that isnt the fundamental basis for switching to charter schools, the key to charter schools is that they are independent and anybody that wants to can open one

 

[theworldismine13]

I graduated damn near 12 years ago though...the area was kind of a white area already (Broad and South Street).

But Philly is definitely gentrifying...especially my neighborhood.

if im reading what you wrote correctly, you said you went from a public school that had daily violence to a charter school with little violence and yet you say you dont see much difference, i find that to be an astounding statement

 

[Vandelay]

if im reading what you wrote correctly, you said you went from a public school that had daily violence to a charter school with little violence and yet you say you dont see much difference, i find that to be an astounding statement

Um...quality of education? I'm sure Johnson C. Smith doesn't have much violence either.

 

[theworldismine13]

Um...quality of education? I'm sure Johnson C. Smith doesn't have much violence either.

So you don't consider the level of daily violence a measure of the quality of your education?

Ok

 

[Vandelay]

So you don't consider the level of daily violence a measure of the quality of your education?

Ok

Point taken, but if the knowledge you are acquiring isn't conducive to furthering your academic progress you might as just be home-schooled...

 

[theworldismine13]

Point taken, but if the knowledge you are acquiring isn't conducive to furthering your academic progress you might as just be home-schooled...

i dont see what your point is, there is nothing wrong with home school if that is the parent's choice, the girl that graduated from college before she graduated from high school was home schooled, and its something people should consider if they do not think the public school is good enough

my overall point is that we need maximum school choice, that means charters schools, vouchers, home schooling and even public schools if they are performing well, and if you dont like your choices then get together with somebody and open up your own school

there should be a plethora of choices, its amazing how many people defend the public school system, to the point where you have to downplay daily violence against black children and when the public school system has destroyed and oppressed millions of black minds, the public school system should be destroyed and rebuilt around independent charters schools and vouchers

 

[Vandelay]

i dont see what your point is, there is nothing wrong with home school if that is the parent's choice, the girl that graduated from college before she graduated from high school was home schooled, and its something people should consider if they do not think the public school is good enough

my overall point is that we need maximum school choice, that means charters schools, vouchers, home schooling and even public schools if they are performing well, and if you dont like your choices then get together with somebody and open up your own school

there should be a plethora of choices, its amazing how many people defend the public school system, to the point where you have to downplay daily violence against black children and when the public school system has destroyed and oppressed millions of black minds, the public school system should be destroyed and rebuilt around independent charters schools and vouchers

I put the onus on the individual, not the institution.

I wasn't dissuading anyone from any option. My education consisted of, private, public and charter schools all throughout K-12. As a parent, its your obligation to exercise every right. My point is, accountability and standards is what will ultimately improve education. The levels of both at both schools when I went to school were astoundingly low. I can't imagine much has changed. I was offering my opinion, experience, and observations from a Philadelphia perspective.

In my experience you have good schools and bad schools, and a lot of that more-so is dependent on parental input then anything else. The suck-ass teachers unions have an effect as well. I say we should Joe Clark the students that are trouble if they are bringing it down. I went to middle school with kids that easily should have been 4-5 years removed.

You could make the argument that if the school does not require the parent to be engaged in that child's overall experience, they will suffer for it. Which is what happens at a lot of public schools. But that initiative alone doesn't require a revolution in the education system.

 

[theworldismine13]

I put the onus on the individual, not the institution.

I wasn't dissuading anyone from any option. My education consisted of, private, public and charter schools all throughout K-12. As a parent, its your obligation to exercise every right. My point is, accountability and standards is what will ultimately improve education. The levels of both at both schools when I went to school were astoundingly low. I can't imagine much has changed. I was offering my opinion, experience, and observations from a Philadelphia perspective.

In my experience you have good schools and bad schools, and a lot of that more-so is dependent on parental input then anything else. The suck-ass teachers unions have an effect as well. I say we should Joe Clark the students that are trouble if they are bringing it down. I went to middle school with kids that easily should have been 4-5 years removed.

You could make the argument that if the school does not require the parent to be engaged in that child's overall experience, they will suffer for it. Which is what happens at a lot of public schools. But that initiative alone doesn't require a revolution in the education system.

thanks for sharing, but i cant take anybody that downplays daily violence against black children seriously

 

[Vandelay]

thanks for sharing, but i cant take anybody that downplays daily violence against black children seriously

Well, then we gotta agree to disagree.

Schools are essentially daycares, if other metrics aren't taken in to consideration.

Obviously your ok with a daycare.