how do you deal with micromanaging bosses?

[Bboystyle]

he’s stern and straightforward to everyone but he takes it to an extra step with me. i can see it in his face that he doesn’t like me vs the others and i used to brush it off as being in denial and sensitive but black ppl know when they’re being passively fukked over by “them” and what’s really going on.

meanwhile there’s literally a white girl in the same age range on my team who is never bothered by this dude at all. she just laughs and smiles at him

i move at a rapid hardworking pace mashing away and carrying the load of 2 people and he still questions me all the fukking time

Report his feminine traits to his boss. Tell him all this shyt. That would stop his gay ass eye rolls and passive agressive behavior.

If he targets u some more, threaten them with a discrimination lawsuit. Keep record of all the time u reported him. fukk them cacs. U shouldnt feel uncomfortable in your work place.

 

[africngiant]

Jobs hate hardworkers. Seems weird but they really do.

the reality that being black you still have to deal with this concept is demotivating.

“work 2x hard to please them but still only get half the respect back in return vs everyone else”

sometimes i wish we had our own planet where we won’t have to be perfectionist and stress about 1000 other things to make everyone else feel comfortable when it has nothing to do with us.

 

[Windows 91]

mine is too. i thought we could at least relate being minorities ig but it doesn’t really mean shyt. lol im still just “black” at the end of the day

East Asian and Indian managers are the absolute worst for black employees. Many of them think we are inferior and unqualified from the jump, and will micromanage in an attempt to make us look bad or get us removed from positions. They come from cultures where racism, classism, and casteism are normal and will consciously or unconsciously bring that mentality into the workplace.

One of the reasons I moved back into defense/aerospace is because there are less Indians due to US citizenship requirements. I will not work with those people if I have the option not to.

 

[Nokids]

mine is too. i thought we could at least relate being minorities ig but it doesn’t really mean shyt. lol im still just “black” at the end of the day

Nah fam they identify with whites more just like Hispanic and Indian dudes. But yea that’s how they roll another comparison is mr miyagi.

If you do right they fukk with you but if you fukk up even once you start at square 1.

Best bet is to dip and find something else. The ironic thing with micromanaging is it’ll lead to more mistakes on your end.

 

[africngiant]

I’m in a similar situation. Just make conversing with them as brief as possible. Don’t ever over communicate with them and make them feel like they right but do you. That’s if you want to stay.

i feel like im in an interrogation room talking to him he actually makes me anxious as hell. im sleeping with one eye open at this point. as he’s also the head of our weekly office meetings that include us and all the other accounting managers/supervisors, im pretty sure he has the capabilities to let me go if he chooses, even though he claims those decisions would be from HR. i wish dude would just leave me alone

 

[The ADD]

i feel like im in an interrogation room talking to him he actually makes me anxious as hell. im sleeping with one eye open at this point b/c as the head of our weekly office meetings, im pretty sure he has those capabilities to let me go if he chooses. i wish dude would just leave me alone

I would imagine that they would have to put you on performance plan to minimize legal risk to the company.

 

[Coco Loco]

you can't change someone's management style as their employee, prepare yourself to move on and think up some lessons learned for the road as well. you're going to need to work to avoid these positions for your own sanity and career progression going forward - so do everything possible to set yourself up for success and momentum at the next stop.

also *never* be the last person to leave a sinking ship. when a bunch of disgruntled peers are there together, they can control a narrative and support each other. when you're the only guy left though? all the new people coming in will generally have to side with management or be wholly indifferent. and anyone who's on the outside looking in legit doesn't have to care too.... if anything, a bad section with high turnover makes adjacent sections in the office look better by comparison. other sections may *need* that dysfunction to continue.

i hate to be this plain, but never fall for this lol

if another breh has your back, LET THEM PROVE IT before you believe it unprompted

THIS!!!! The manager I spoke on earlier used to work in the building across from mine that had a gym. I never knew his name, he never knew mine but we used to always see each other at the gym and speak etc for years

When I went in for the interview I had no idea he had left his previous office and was the director over there. We both laughed at how unexpected it was that I ended up interviewing with him. I was 95% sure I got that position. Sure enough he personally called me later that day with a job offer

I soon realized after a few months all that nice, cool laid back guy vibe was a facade. He was a pure a$$hole who wanted things done his way or it was wrong. FF to when I left, if he would've been on fire I wouldn't have pissed on him. I would've added more fuel to the fire




@africngiant sadly you're gonna have to lower your expectations when it comes to skin folks until you find out who you're dealing with. All skin folk ain't kin folk. If y'all happen to become friends or whatever cool but don't go into it thinking it's automatic

 

[Heafcliffe]

Like others have said, prep yourself to dip but before you do so learning any and all things whether it be from other managers or corporate/ online training. Pad that CV.

Most importantly, document everything he does from subtle to overt/ blatant. When you quit, provide to HR directly and state in the letter that you have decide to leave due to the unprofessionalism and insolence of the person at hand.

I did this at one of my previous job. Bytch of a manager was "let go" 2 weeks after my resignation and forced to relocate to another state in order to find work.

Good luck...

 

[42 Monks]

THIS!!!! The manager I spoke on earlier used to work in the building across from mine that had a gym. I never knew his name, he never knew mine but we used to always see each other at the gym and speak etc for years

When I went in for the interview I had no idea he had left his previous office and was the director over there. We both laughed at how unexpected it was that I ended up interviewing with him. I was 95% sure I got that position. Sure enough he personally called me later that day with a job offer

I soon realized after a few months all that nice, cool laid back guy vibe was a facade. He was a pure a$$hole who wanted things done his way or it was wrong. FF to when I left, if he would've been on fire I wouldn't have pissed on him. I would've added more fuel to the fire




@africngiant sadly you're gonna have to lower your expectations when it comes to skin folks until you find out who you're dealing with. All skin folk ain't kin folk. If y'all happen to become friends or whatever cool but don't go into it thinking it's automatic

i've got stories for days. not gonna derail this thread with them though

at the end of the day though you just gotta make peace with the fact that no one is gonna take better care of you than yourself.

 

[Clayton Endicott]

Like this

 

[Redwood]

Time to leave buddy….

Life is hard enough just being a black man in the streets/society… but 2 places you shouldn’t hate to be at are (1)home and (2)work because those are the two places you spend the most time at.

Home should be a place of refuge and relaxation… and your job, while not quite as peaceful, should never be a place you dread going to, nor should it be a place that stirs up your anxiety and gives you bad vibes just from the very thought of a particular person…

Careers/jobs arent always perfect but when they make you feel like “that” ….. it’s time to hit the eject button

That's easier said than done breh

 

[ScoopNScore]

this the topic of one of my superiors on my team. he’s the head accountant for other accounting duties but isn’t responsible for reviewing my segment of accounting tasks that i do. he’s one of the supervisors but not the one i report to, he’s merely the top personnel arguably on our team as a whole

i noticed he micromanages me a lot as an entry level employee. ive overtaken my entire operations as the sole employee after dealing with high turnover and rushed training.

in the 4 months since ive started,

the senior accountant

manager

and replacement manager temp (just yesterday) all left on my side of operations.

but dude still acts like im supposed to be an expert. if i mistakenly try explain to something he probes about that i just learned about 3 minutes ago, he gets dissatisfied and starts questioning my competency, while disregarding all of what i stated above. this happened yesterday and as i caught him walking away, he looked up and started to roll his eyes.

if i mistakenly explain something to him or confuse him once, it completely erases all the overwhelming times i articulated myself extremely well

his demeanor is excused as stern and that he wants his employees to be better by others on the team who are genuinely cool but i can just tell that he doesn’t like me still.

as my recent departing temp manager began to transition and teach our procedures over to my new, laterally promoted boss, we had a meeting that he decided to mediate about this and while learning more deeply about what our work entailed, he interrupts to propose that i start to add all these random unnecessary checks to my current procedures for my new boss moving forward that no one who trained me or the temp was doing before.

ik this is tl:dr and a rough write but i was looking for some wisdom about being black in corporate and how to go about avoiding micromanaging bosses and how to deal with their constant probing. i can see the curtain being pulled from under me

I don’t know about letting another man making you quit (unless there's a better opportunity) but there is no avoiding micromanagement, there's only only outlasting them with initiative and communication.

- Figure out when and why he nitpicks and hit him with terse and concise counter explanations to cut off his mean streak. He is under the stereotype that he needs to be a hardass (and possibly sees you as competition cuz he's ) but if you match his game with confidence, he will back down
- If he is involved, take your time prior to any interactions, make notes of what your most important thoughts are, and give him the straight facts with explanations down to the tiniest iota and with a booming voice, and stick to your guns as you do it. Get ready for pushback, but if he does, just fall back on your facts and never look or seem remorseful.
- Know that he is not in your department and he cannot fire you. If he's really picking on you, either speak to your manager about him or have a meeting with him about your interactions, and come with anecdotes and proof that he doesn't need to stay on you.
- Send any replies back to him quickly and with with an insane amount of detail to show you are more organized than him.

He's just a man and if you are really about it at your job, there's nothing he can do. So many other employees have dealt with the same situation, and with perseverance, proof, and playing the game, he will either cut the shyt or find somebody else to pick on. It'll be kinda fun to make this cac your bytch too, so keep at it

 

[daemonova]

I don’t know about letting another man making you quit (unless there's a better opportunity) but there is no avoiding micromanagement, there's only only outlasting them with initiative and communication.

- Figure out when and why he nitpicks and hit him with terse and concise counter explanations to cut off his mean streak. He is under the stereotype that he needs to be a hardass (and possibly sees you as competition cuz he's ) but if you match his game with confidence, he will back down
- If he is involved, take your time prior to any interactions, make notes of what your most important thoughts are, and give him the straight facts with explanations down to the tiniest iota and with a booming voice, and stick to your guns as you do it. Get ready for pushback, but if he does, just fall back on your facts and never look or seem remorseful.
- Know that he is not in your department and he cannot fire you. If he's really picking on you, either speak to your manager about him or have a meeting with him about your interactions, and come with anecdotes and proof that he doesn't need to stay on you.
- Send any replies back to him quickly and with with an insane amount of detail to show you are more organized than him.

He's just a man and if you are really about it at your job, there's nothing he can do. So many other employees have dealt with the same situation, and with perseverance, proof, and playing the game, he will either cut the shyt or find somebody else to pick on. It'll be kinda fun to make this cac your bytch too, so keep at it

Oh I used to throw shots at supervisors all the time, just made them more relentless

 

[africngiant]

Oh I used to throw shots at supervisors all the time, just made them more relentless

I don’t know about letting another man making you quit (unless there's a better opportunity) but there is no avoiding micromanagement, there's only only outlasting them with initiative and communication.

- Figure out when and why he nitpicks and hit him with terse and concise counter explanations to cut off his mean streak. He is under the stereotype that he needs to be a hardass (and possibly sees you as competition cuz he's ) but if you match his game with confidence, he will back down
- If he is involved, take your time prior to any interactions, make notes of what your most important thoughts are, and give him the straight facts with explanations down to the tiniest iota and with a booming voice, and stick to your guns as you do it. Get ready for pushback, but if he does, just fall back on your facts and never look or seem remorseful.
- Know that he is not in your department and he cannot fire you. If he's really picking on you, either speak to your manager about him or have a meeting with him about your interactions, and come with anecdotes and proof that he doesn't need to stay on you.
- Send any replies back to him quickly and with with an insane amount of detail to show you are more organized than him.

He's just a man and if you are really about it at your job, there's nothing he can do. So many other employees have dealt with the same situation, and with perseverance, proof, and playing the game, he will either cut the shyt or find somebody else to pick on. It'll be kinda fun to make this cac your bytch too, so keep at it

and excuse me for the lack of a better term in the first paragraph and continuing throughout the op guys. this is the main director on our team that im dealing with, but i report to an entirely different person. he manages a different side of our company accounting

if i wasn’t describing precisely enough.

he leads the entire team in meetings but only a few accountants on our team are assigned with his tasks and report to/get approval from him. what i do on my side has nothing to directly do with his immediate assignments/priorities and he has limited knowledge of what i even do. so i don’t get why he’s so bothered. he bothers the newer employee working directly under him less than he does to me

 

[Hijo de luna]

My first job out of uni, I was hired by one of Trump's former Finance Managers. An old, suspected WS, Italian dude. He was a straight up a$$hole; sabotaged me every step of the way. One of my colleagues peeped game and helped me get on at his wife's company. Turning in my two weeks notice was the greatest feeling.

Sometimes you can show a little more initiative and win people over, and grow in the process, but some situations can't be salvaged.